Liberals Want To Remove The Word Illegal From 'Illegal Immigrant'

[mudwhistle]

Let's play a game, what should we call them?

Fruit and vegetable pickers of America?
Lawn and Gardening workers of America?
House Cleaners and Baby Sitters of the rich in America?
Free market entrepreneurs in America?
People desiring a Better life in America?
Tomato Pickers of New Jersey?
People whose work keeps wages low so Walmart and other businesses can too?
Workers in Small Business in America?
Grape Pickers of Sonoma and Napa Valley?
Immigrants like the rest of Us?
Potential citizens?

And then we must name the children too for surely they too contribute to America? Of course the manner in which you label, explain or rationalize their presence depends on the moment, the audience, and the particular labeling apparatus of the labeler.
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They can apply for a visa like everyone else did.

My nephew's gf just earned her citizenship a few months ago. She didn't have to sneak in and hide in the shadows, settling in blue states that encourage them to break our laws. She didn't burden the state by showing up in emergency rooms forcing the taxpayer to pay for her medical care. She did it the legal way which is the right way.

 

[mudwhistle]

Weren't the Pilgrims undocumented? I guess we're a country founded on criminals. Australia with an attitude.

Dumbass.

This wasn't a country back then.

Jesus Christ!!!!!


How can you call yourself a country when you can't even control your own fucken borders???

Statist!

Obviously you don't know what a Statist is.

Here, I'll make it easy even for a dumbass like you. Statism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Look it up.

 

[Desperado]

Let's play a game, what should we call them?

"alleged immigrant"
"defendant"
"future welfare recipients"
will describe more than a few of them.

 

[Katzndogz]

Liberals want to remove the taint of illegal immigrant, but not for everyone. Liberals would have no problem whatsoever calling them illegals, if they were from Eastern Europe (white) or China (intelligent). They just want a separate classification for hispanic illegal immigrants, maybe a few blacks from Africa or Haiti might qualify.

 

[editec]

I think this idea is another silly rhetorical debate.

The word illegal immigrant is an apt description in most cases.

Using the word "undocumented" suggests that their status is merely scewed up because of some paperwork SNAFU NOT of their own making.

See how much the power of words matters?

This is nothing but a PROPAGANDA debate.

Speaking as a sort of leftie, I am as offended by this distortion of reality by incorrect word use, as I am when this board's resident TOOLS misapply words like socialist or communist to make their idiotic POVs know, too.

 

[High_Gravity]

Some idiots are beginning to protest the fact that illegals are being called illegal. They believe that places a stigma on them and that is not only unfair but according to them inaccurate.

Don’t Call Them Illegals
Changing the words we use can change our perception of undocumented residents
George Muñoz



Calling people “illegals” is wrong. Violation of immigration laws is not an automatic crime. Therefore, labeling 12 million immigrants in this country as “criminals” or “illegals” is not only inaccurate, it may be libelous. It also inflames the immigration debate. It encourages punitive measures on the false assumption that criminality is involved. We need to challenge the use of this term even if it is being used innocently.

Doing something illegally does not make you an “illegal.” It may be wrong to violate government regulations and civil laws—including immigration laws—but that does not always mean a crime has been committed. The U.S. Attorney General recently reconfirmed this notion in relation to another matter. In a speech this summer to the American Bar Association in which he was explaining his decision to not take legal action against certain violators of civil laws, U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey said “Not every wrong, or even every violation of the law, is a crime. In this instance, the two joint reports found only violations of the civil service laws.”

Well, guess what? Most violations of our immigration laws are civil infractions. They are not crimes or felonies. Under the law, the “unauthorized presence” of foreigners in our country because of lack of a valid visa or documents is subject to a due process hearing and deportation if the infraction is not cleared up. This is a civil—not a criminal—proceeding. This civil law violation is upgraded to a crime if a person who was deported reenters our country without the proper documentation. But the fact is that most of the 12 million immigrants whose presence is “unauthorized” are not deemed to be guilty of a crime, which means they are not, in fact, “illegals.”

There are those who do not want to let go of the word “illegals” or “criminals” in referring to people in our country who cannot prove their legal residency or valid visa status. They argue, “What part of ‘illegal’ do you not understand?” Our response should be: what part of slander and libel do you not understand? A couple of years ago, there was a bill introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives that would have made it a crime, rather than a civil law violation, to be an undocumented worker in this country or to employ one. But that bill did not become law. Yet some act as if it did.​

So what are we supposed to call them?

Undocumented Democrats?


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This is insane, if we don't call them illegals how do we distinguish them from the people who came here using the proper channels?

 

[mudwhistle]

Liberals want to remove the taint of illegal immigrant, but not for everyone. Liberals would have no problem whatsoever calling them illegals, if they were from Eastern Europe (white) or China (intelligent). They just want a separate classification for hispanic illegal immigrants, maybe a few blacks from Africa or Haiti might qualify.

If Latinos voted strictly GOP they would call them criminals, racists, and every disparaging name they could think of. They would build a 50ft wall to keep them out.and kick out the ones that madde it in. They wouldn't be offering them welfare, food stamps, and drivers licenses.

 

[High_Gravity]

I can see a new issue forming here.

"How dare you Republicans accuse the undocumented of being criminals!"

Weren't the Pilgrims undocumented? I guess we're a country founded on criminals. Australia with an attitude.

Did the Native Americans have a system of checks and balances for new arrivals? did they require green cards and visas to enter the United States?

 

[foxyladi]

Doing something illegally does not make you an “illegal.”

 

[NoNukes]

I can see a new issue forming here.

"How dare you Republicans accuse the undocumented of being criminals!"

Weren't the Pilgrims undocumented? I guess we're a country founded on criminals. Australia with an attitude.

Did the Native Americans have a system of checks and balances for new arrivals? did they require green cards and visas to enter the United States?

Had they known what lay ahead, they probably would have.

 

[High_Gravity]

Liberals want to remove the taint of illegal immigrant, but not for everyone. Liberals would have no problem whatsoever calling them illegals, if they were from Eastern Europe (white) or China (intelligent). They just want a separate classification for hispanic illegal immigrants, maybe a few blacks from Africa or Haiti might qualify.

No, they don't. Illegals from Africa or Haiti get their black asses sent back home, there are no sanctuary states for them. The African/American community does not shelter Black illegals, plus the INS seems to only round up illegals who are not Hispanic.

 

[mudwhistle]

Weren't the Pilgrims undocumented? I guess we're a country founded on criminals. Australia with an attitude.

Did the Native Americans have a system of checks and balances for new arrivals? did they require green cards and visas to enter the United States?

Had they known what lay ahead, they probably would have.

Maybe we should just shoot arrows in em and take their scalps.

 

[NoNukes]

Liberals want to remove the taint of illegal immigrant, but not for everyone. Liberals would have no problem whatsoever calling them illegals, if they were from Eastern Europe (white) or China (intelligent). They just want a separate classification for hispanic illegal immigrants, maybe a few blacks from Africa or Haiti might qualify.

No, they don't. Illegals from Africa or Haiti get their black asses sent back home, there are no sanctuary states for them. The African/American community does not shelter Black illegals, plus the INS seems to only round up illegals who are not Hispanic.

Considering how many Hispanics have been deported by the Obama administration, this argument does not hold water.

 

[High_Gravity]

Liberals want to remove the taint of illegal immigrant, but not for everyone. Liberals would have no problem whatsoever calling them illegals, if they were from Eastern Europe (white) or China (intelligent). They just want a separate classification for hispanic illegal immigrants, maybe a few blacks from Africa or Haiti might qualify.

No, they don't. Illegals from Africa or Haiti get their black asses sent back home, there are no sanctuary states for them. The African/American community does not shelter Black illegals, plus the INS seems to only round up illegals who are not Hispanic.

Considering how many Hispanics have been deported by the Obama administration, this argument does not hold water.

There are sanctuary states like California where illegals can live and basically raise a family without being deported. My ex girlfriend from California was brought over from Mexico with her folks at age 3, and she was basically raised there with no hassle from authorities, and there are alot like her.

 

[NoNukes]

Did the Native Americans have a system of checks and balances for new arrivals? did they require green cards and visas to enter the United States?

Had they known what lay ahead, they probably would have.

Maybe we should just shoot arrows in em and take their scalps.

Or give them fancy clothes that are diseased.

 

[NoNukes]

No, they don't. Illegals from Africa or Haiti get their black asses sent back home, there are no sanctuary states for them. The African/American community does not shelter Black illegals, plus the INS seems to only round up illegals who are not Hispanic.

Considering how many Hispanics have been deported by the Obama administration, this argument does not hold water.

There are sanctuary states like California where illegals can live and basically raise a family without being deported. My ex girlfriend from California was brought over from Mexico with her folks at age 3, and she was basically raised there with no hassle from authorities, and there are alot like her.

That is 1 state out of 50, and does not address what I said.

 

[High_Gravity]

Considering how many Hispanics have been deported by the Obama administration, this argument does not hold water.

There are sanctuary states like California where illegals can live and basically raise a family without being deported. My ex girlfriend from California was brought over from Mexico with her folks at age 3, and she was basically raised there with no hassle from authorities, and there are alot like her.

That is 1 state out of 50, and does not address what I said.

California is the only sanctuary state?

 

[IlarMeilyr]

When your very first action in this nation is to enter it without complying with the laws of this country -- which constitutes a crime, by the way -- you are immediately not just an immigrant, but an illegal immigrant.

Calling it anything else is just dishonest.

 

[High_Gravity]

When your very first action in this nation is to enter it without complying with the laws of this country -- which constitutes a crime, by the way -- you are immediately not just an immigrant, but an illegal immigrant.

Calling it anything else is just dishonest.

Technically alot of these guys are not even "immigrants", they guys are just here for the cash to send back home. They don't want to assimilate or become Americans.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

When your very first action in this nation is to enter it without complying with the laws of this country -- which constitutes a crime, by the way -- you are immediately not just an immigrant, but an illegal immigrant.

Calling it anything else is just dishonest.

Technically alot of these guys are not even "immigrants", they guys are just here for the cash to send back home. They don't want to assimilate or become Americans.

True. In that case, such individuals are merely illegal aliens.