"Living Wage" for Everyone?

[The Rabbi]

For those who support a "living wage" minimum of $15 per hour, how about applying that standard to everyone? We could then do away with other "entitlements" and just guarantee every adult $2500 per month. That would be a lot cheaper than what we are spending now.

I don't understand what point you are trying to make. If we raised the minimum wage, millions of people would no longer be eligible for programs like food stamps and public housing.

Oh bullshit, they'd just up the threshold.... the dependency class is too important to the DNC.

No one could afford to give up those benefits. In almost every state "welfare dependency" is the highest paying job. This is the problem.

Christ what is it with you in just making shit up?

The Right depends on making shit up.
As shown here, one of their obsessions is to deny help to the poor. After all they must have a class of folks that they can feel better than.

No it is the Left that makes up so much shit they cannot see the truth. The Left wants a dependent class of people who must get their support from the government, thus insuring they will vote for the Big Government party, i.e. Democrat.
Republicans want people off welfare and governent support so they can live independently as free people.
That is the simple difference. The Left couches their plan in terms like "empathy" and "compassion." But the truth is there is neither compassion nor empathy in making people serfs of the government. Such dependence saps initiative and leaches the humanity from people.

 

[SwimExpert]

There is only one solution, generation of new wealth and the jobs growth that comes with that. All other solutions lead to financial bankruptcy.

How do you figure "generation of new wealth" causes job growth?

Dude WTF are they teaching in public schools

Oh, so you're just talking out of your ass. Got it....

Here's some tough love for you, pull your head out of your ass.

Dividing up the existing wealth won't work, there's not enough to go around. If you confiscated all the wealth of the so called 'rich' and divided it up that's like shooting spit wads at the problem they just don't have enough money when spread across 300 million people. Stop drinking the government koolaid talking points about how if we only make the 'rich' pay their fair share that will fix anything. That talking point is designed to fool you into thinking its the rich who are the problem, its not its government.

The only long term solution to bringing our poor out of poverty and growing the middle class to a higher standard of living is generating new wealth via new businesses and more jobs. Sound simple except government is doing all it can to destroy existing jobs and stifle new business and job growth. Via corruption, debt, allowing millions of poor illegals into the country, driving existing jobs out of the country with ridiculous taxes and regulations or stupid trade deals with other countries.

So....still talking out of your ass. Generating new wealth does not cause job growth. Job growth is created by an increase in demand for existing labor.

For example, my hotel is currently on track to beat last year by approximately $1 million. That's alot of new wealth. Nothing therein creates new jobs. I'm not hiring new staff members, or hiring more staff than before. In fact, my contribution to that new wealth comes from me finding ways to reduce overall labor. We've create wealth by eliminating jobs.

Only a fucking idiot would ever claim that creating wealth creates jobs.

 

[NYcarbineer]

If everyone got a guaranteed minimum income, no one could complain that one group was being favored over another.

If everyone got a guaranteed minimum income, anyone could go ahead and work to earn more without being penalized when their net income grew, as it is now with income based entitlement programs.

 

[BluesLegend]

There is only one solution, generation of new wealth and the jobs growth that comes with that. All other solutions lead to financial bankruptcy.

How do you figure "generation of new wealth" causes job growth?

Dude WTF are they teaching in public schools

Oh, so you're just talking out of your ass. Got it....

Here's some tough love for you, pull your head out of your ass.

Dividing up the existing wealth won't work, there's not enough to go around. If you confiscated all the wealth of the so called 'rich' and divided it up that's like shooting spit wads at the problem they just don't have enough money when spread across 300 million people. Stop drinking the government koolaid talking points about how if we only make the 'rich' pay their fair share that will fix anything. That talking point is designed to fool you into thinking its the rich who are the problem, its not its government.

The only long term solution to bringing our poor out of poverty and growing the middle class to a higher standard of living is generating new wealth via new businesses and more jobs. Sound simple except government is doing all it can to destroy existing jobs and stifle new business and job growth. Via corruption, debt, allowing millions of poor illegals into the country, driving existing jobs out of the country with ridiculous taxes and regulations or stupid trade deals with other countries.

So....still talking out of your ass. Generating new wealth does not cause job growth. Job growth is created by an increase in demand for existing labor.

For example, my hotel is currently on track to beat last year by approximately $1 million. That's alot of new wealth. Nothing therein creates new jobs. I'm not hiring new staff members, or hiring more staff than before. In fact, my contribution to that new wealth comes from me finding ways to reduce overall labor. We've create wealth by eliminating jobs.

Only a fucking idiot would ever claim that creating wealth creates jobs.

I see you are the poster child for dumb liberal. I drill 50 new oil wells hiring 500 workers and sell it on the world market for $80 million, new wealth, new jobs. I hire 1,000 workers to build the Keystone pipeline, suppliers hire 500 workers to provide the materials, their suppliers hire 250 workers to provide the raw materials, new wealth new jobs. Its not rocket science even your average idiot liberal should be able to get it.

 

[Darkwind]

For those who support a "living wage" minimum of $15 per hour, how about applying that standard to everyone? We could then do away with other "entitlements" and just guarantee every adult $2500 per month. That would be a lot cheaper than what we are spending now.

I don't understand what point you are trying to make. If we raised the minimum wage, millions of people would no longer be eligible for programs like food stamps and public housing.

Wow, you guys are posting some funny shit lately..

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There is only one solution, generation of new wealth and the jobs growth that comes with that. All other solutions lead to financial bankruptcy.

How do you figure "generation of new wealth" causes job growth?

Dude WTF are they teaching in public schools

Oh, so you're just talking out of your ass. Got it....

Here's some tough love for you, pull your head out of your ass.

Dividing up the existing wealth won't work, there's not enough to go around. If you confiscated all the wealth of the so called 'rich' and divided it up that's like shooting spit wads at the problem they just don't have enough money when spread across 300 million people. Stop drinking the government koolaid talking points about how if we only make the 'rich' pay their fair share that will fix anything. That talking point is designed to fool you into thinking its the rich who are the problem, its not its government.

The only long term solution to bringing our poor out of poverty and growing the middle class to a higher standard of living is generating new wealth via new businesses and more jobs. Sound simple except government is doing all it can to destroy existing jobs and stifle new business and job growth. Via corruption, debt, allowing millions of poor illegals into the country, driving existing jobs out of the country with ridiculous taxes and regulations or stupid trade deals with other countries.

So....still talking out of your ass. Generating new wealth does not cause job growth. Job growth is created by an increase in demand for existing labor.

For example, my hotel is currently on track to beat last year by approximately $1 million. That's alot of new wealth. Nothing therein creates new jobs. I'm not hiring new staff members, or hiring more staff than before. In fact, my contribution to that new wealth comes from me finding ways to reduce overall labor. We've create wealth by eliminating jobs.

Only a fucking idiot would ever claim that creating wealth creates jobs.

If you ran a hotel and were wasting 1 million dollars in labor you didn't need, then you probably would have lost that hotel years ago.

As for people who get wealth from providing customers with products or services, the only way to increase that wealth is to sell more products and services. That takes more people.

If you won a lottery, got an inheritance, or otherwise made good money from investments such as the stock or commodities market, then no, that kind of wealth doesn't create jobs.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

For those who support a "living wage" minimum of $15 per hour, how about applying that standard to everyone? We could then do away with other "entitlements" and just guarantee every adult $2500 per month. That would be a lot cheaper than what we are spending now.

I don't understand what point you are trying to make. If we raised the minimum wage, millions of people would no longer be eligible for programs like food stamps and public housing.

Oh bullshit, they'd just up the threshold.... the dependency class is too important to the DNC.

Thats so stupid. Polls show most Americans want a higher minimum wage - not more food stamps spending.

Here's a thought... get out of minimum wage. Anyway, like I said, it's a bullshit issue, here's the breakdown:

• Disproportionately young: 50.4% are ages 16 to 24; 24% are teenagers (ages 16 to 19).
• Mostly (77%) white; nearly half are white women.
• Largely part-time workers (64% of the total).

Source:

Who makes minimum wage?

You people always post the typical bullshit. You're only talking about the 3% who make 7.25 per hour. If it was raised to 10.10, 18 million people would see a boost to their wages. Those statistics don't apply to them.

Its' called realty little Billy... not bullshit. The MW argument is total bullshit.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

If everyone got a guaranteed minimum income, no one could complain that one group was being favored over another.

If everyone got a guaranteed minimum income, anyone could go ahead and work to earn more without being penalized when their net income grew, as it is now with income based entitlement programs.

Ok then, why not make it $30/hr?

 

[NYcarbineer]

If everyone got a guaranteed minimum income, no one could complain that one group was being favored over another.

If everyone got a guaranteed minimum income, anyone could go ahead and work to earn more without being penalized when their net income grew, as it is now with income based entitlement programs.

Ok then, why not make it $30/hr?

Why not make it zero and bring back slavery?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

If everyone got a guaranteed minimum income, no one could complain that one group was being favored over another.

If everyone got a guaranteed minimum income, anyone could go ahead and work to earn more without being penalized when their net income grew, as it is now with income based entitlement programs.

Ok then, why not make it $30/hr?

Why not make it zero and bring back slavery?

I said $30, not $0. Why not make it thirty? If we just set the price, hey. let's make it real and set real good annual pay?

 

[OnePercenter]

I'm fine with this, I'll organize 500 people and take a 15% cut off the top of their living wage to hoard for myself.

Which is what American employers are already doing.

That's how the world works son, this isn't a Star Trek episode.

You can change that by not voting for Republicans.

 

[OnePercenter]

Sure they want higher minimum wage. Did the polls also say what that would mean for them?

When you rob Peter to pay Paul, the Paul's of your society generally have no objection.

Raise minimum wage, and somebody has to pay that wage. The money has to come from somewhere.

It's like the question would you like to see cleaner air and water? Who would say no to that, until you explain all the hidden costs in your electric bill, natural gas bill, gasoline bill, automobile bill and so on. Then when the entire truth comes out, people don't think they need cleaner air and water.

Consumers already are. Prices have been on the rise for decades with the reason being higher employees costs. Only problem, employees never reaped the benefit.

 

[OnePercenter]

Ok then, why not make it $30/hr?

Because $30.00/hr is more than needed to provide a livable wage, $23.50/hr is the number.

 

[BluesLegend]

If everyone got a guaranteed minimum income, no one could complain that one group was being favored over another.

If everyone got a guaranteed minimum income, anyone could go ahead and work to earn more without being penalized when their net income grew, as it is now with income based entitlement programs.

Ok then, why not make it $30/hr?

Why not make it zero and bring back slavery?

Ah, Chicago black neighborhoods got it.

 

[BluesLegend]

I'm fine with this, I'll organize 500 people and take a 15% cut off the top of their living wage to hoard for myself.

Which is what American employers are already doing.

That's how the world works son, this isn't a Star Trek episode.

You can change that by not voting for Republicans.

You can change that by voting for conservatives.

 

[OnePercenter]

You can change that by voting for conservatives.

How would that help? Real conservatives are rich old white guys that would sell their families for higher profits.

 

[BluesLegend]

You can change that by voting for conservatives.

How would that help? Real conservatives are rich old white guys that would sell their families for higher profits.

Who told you to think that?

 

[Care4all]

For those who support a "living wage" minimum of $15 per hour, how about applying that standard to everyone? We could then do away with other "entitlements" and just guarantee every adult $2500 per month. That would be a lot cheaper than what we are spending now.

I don't understand what point you are trying to make. If we raised the minimum wage, millions of people would no longer be eligible for programs like food stamps and public housing.

Oh bullshit, they'd just up the threshold.... the dependency class is too important to the DNC.

Thats so stupid. Polls show most Americans want a higher minimum wage - not more food stamps spending.

Here's a thought... get out of minimum wage. Anyway, like I said, it's a bullshit issue, here's the breakdown:

• Disproportionately young: 50.4% are ages 16 to 24; 24% are teenagers (ages 16 to 19).
• Mostly (77%) white; nearly half are white women.
• Largely part-time workers (64% of the total).

Source:

Who makes minimum wage?

FYI, they are only including people who make the FEDERAL minimum wage of 7.25, the states that have a higher minimum wage, such as $7.50 an hour ARE NOT included PEOPLE in your link's analysis.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Ok then, why not make it $30/hr?

Because $30.00/hr is more than needed to provide a livable wage, $23.50/hr is the number.

Well if $23.50 is good, then $30.00 must be better. $40.00 must be best.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Sure they want higher minimum wage. Did the polls also say what that would mean for them?

When you rob Peter to pay Paul, the Paul's of your society generally have no objection.

Raise minimum wage, and somebody has to pay that wage. The money has to come from somewhere.

It's like the question would you like to see cleaner air and water? Who would say no to that, until you explain all the hidden costs in your electric bill, natural gas bill, gasoline bill, automobile bill and so on. Then when the entire truth comes out, people don't think they need cleaner air and water.

Consumers already are. Prices have been on the rise for decades with the reason being higher employees costs. Only problem, employees never reaped the benefit.

No. When prices rise, very few blame employee costs. Most blame taxation, regulations or hidden environmental fees.