Local ranchers and BLM employees talk about the BLM persecution of ranchers

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Where there’s smoke | TSLN.com

They called the BLM office and were told that there would be no problem with their burn (for the first burn).

The second burn was a back burn done to battle fires started by lightning strikes.

Multiple neighbors and a BLM land technician talk about the history of the situation.

"....the court transcript also includes an admission from Mr. Ward, a range conservationist, that the 2001 fire improved the rangeland conditions on the BLM property.
"Maupin, who resigned from the BLM in 1999, said that collaborative burns between private ranchers and the BLM had become popular in the late 1990s because local university extension researchers were recommending it as a means to manage invasive juniper that steal water from grass and other cover. "

"The BLM asserts that one acre of federal land was burned by the Hammonds’ backfire and Susan says determining which fire burned which land is “a joke” because fire burned from every direction.
"Neighbor Ruthie Danielson also remembers that evening and agrees. “Lightning strikes were everywhere, fires were going off,” she said."

"The BLM accused the Hammonds of several 2006 fires, including a large one known as the Granddad, which blazed about 46,000 acres.
"According to the 2012 sentencing document, the jury found the men innocent or were deadlocked on all but two counts – the two fires the men admitted to starting – burning a total of about 140 acres.
"Judge Hogen dismissed testimony from a disgruntled grandson who testified that the 2001 fire endangered his life and that of local hunters, saying the boy was very young and referencing a feud that may have influenced the testimony."

So the BLM accused them of a whole lotta shit that the jury tossed out, except for the two fires that they admitted to setting. The first one, they had a recording of them calling the BLM office and leaving a message on the machine, which was an acceptable method of reporting burns.

"During her tenure as a full time BLM employee from 1997-1999, Maupin recalls other fires accidentally spilling over onto BLM land, but only the Hammonds have been charged, arrested and sentenced, she said. Ranchers might be burning invasive species or maybe weeds in the ditch. “They would call and the BLM would go and help put it out and it was not a big deal.”
"On the flip side, Maupin remembers numerous times that BLM-lit fires jumped to private land. Neighbors lost significant numbers of cattle in more than one BLM fire that escaped intended containment lines and quickly swallowed up large amounts of private land. To her knowledge, no ranchers have been compensated for lost livestock or other loss of property such as fences.
"Gary Miller, who ranches near Frenchglen, about 35 miles from the Hammonds’ hometown, said that in 2012, the BLM lit numerous backfires that ended up burning his private land, BLM permit and killing about 65 cows."

"A YouTube video named BLM Working at Burning Frenchglen-July 10, 2012 shows “back burn” fires allegedly lit by BLM personnel that are upwind of the main fire, including around Gary Miller’s corrals. The fire that appeared ready to die down several times, eventually burned around 160,000 acres, Miller said.
"Bill Wilber, a Harney County rancher, said five lightening strikes on July 13, 2014, merged to create a fire on Bartlett Mountain. The fire flew through his private ground, burned a BLM allotment and killed 39 cows and calves.
"While the fire could have been contained and stopped, BLM restrictions prevent local firefighting efforts like building a fireline, so only after taking in 397,000 acres did the fire finally stop when it came up against a series of roads."

Regarding the land grab:


"In an effort to stave off what they feared was a pending Clinton/Babbitt monument designation in 2000, a group of ranchers on the scenic Steens Mountain worked with Oregon Representative Greg Walden, a Republican, to draft and enact the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Act that would prevent such a deed. The ranchers agreed to work with special interest “environmental” groups like the aggressive Oregon Natural Desert Association and others to protect the higher-than 10,000-foot peak.
"A number of ranchers at the top of the mountain traded their BLM permits and private property for land on the valley floor, allowing Congress to create a 170,000 acre wilderness in 2000, with almost 100,000 acres being “cow-free.”
“The last holdouts on that cow-free wilderness are the Hammonds,” said Maupin. Though some still have BLM grazing permits, the Hammonds are the last private landowners in the area.
“It’s become more and more obvious over the years that the BLM and the wildlife refuge want that ranch. It would tie in with what they have,” said Rusty Inglis, an area rancher and retired U.S. Forest Service employee."

"“The Hammond family is not arsonists. They are number one, top notch. They know their land management,” said Inglis, who spent 34 years with the USFS and now ranches about 40 miles from the Hammonds and is unique in the area, operating strictly on private land.
"Inglis, president of his county Farm Bureau and a member of the Oregon Cattlemen’s Association said both groups are working to help gain media attention for the Hammond case. The state Farm Bureau group gathered signatures online for a petition to show widespread support for the family. “Enough is enough,” Inglis said. “We are not in Nazi Germany. We are in the United States of America.”
 
New photo of the Oregon occupiers:

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Where there’s smoke | TSLN.com

They called the BLM office and were told that there would be no problem with their burn (for the first burn).

The second burn was a back burn done to battle fires started by lightning strikes.

Multiple neighbors and a BLM land technician talk about the history of the situation.

"....the court transcript also includes an admission from Mr. Ward, a range conservationist, that the 2001 fire improved the rangeland conditions on the BLM property.
"Maupin, who resigned from the BLM in 1999, said that collaborative burns between private ranchers and the BLM had become popular in the late 1990s because local university extension researchers were recommending it as a means to manage invasive juniper that steal water from grass and other cover. "

"The BLM asserts that one acre of federal land was burned by the Hammonds’ backfire and Susan says determining which fire burned which land is “a joke” because fire burned from every direction.
"Neighbor Ruthie Danielson also remembers that evening and agrees. “Lightning strikes were everywhere, fires were going off,” she said."

"The BLM accused the Hammonds of several 2006 fires, including a large one known as the Granddad, which blazed about 46,000 acres.
"According to the 2012 sentencing document, the jury found the men innocent or were deadlocked on all but two counts – the two fires the men admitted to starting – burning a total of about 140 acres.
"Judge Hogen dismissed testimony from a disgruntled grandson who testified that the 2001 fire endangered his life and that of local hunters, saying the boy was very young and referencing a feud that may have influenced the testimony."

So the BLM accused them of a whole lotta shit that the jury tossed out, except for the two fires that they admitted to setting. The first one, they had a recording of them calling the BLM office and leaving a message on the machine, which was an acceptable method of reporting burns.

"During her tenure as a full time BLM employee from 1997-1999, Maupin recalls other fires accidentally spilling over onto BLM land, but only the Hammonds have been charged, arrested and sentenced, she said. Ranchers might be burning invasive species or maybe weeds in the ditch. “They would call and the BLM would go and help put it out and it was not a big deal.”
"On the flip side, Maupin remembers numerous times that BLM-lit fires jumped to private land. Neighbors lost significant numbers of cattle in more than one BLM fire that escaped intended containment lines and quickly swallowed up large amounts of private land. To her knowledge, no ranchers have been compensated for lost livestock or other loss of property such as fences.
"Gary Miller, who ranches near Frenchglen, about 35 miles from the Hammonds’ hometown, said that in 2012, the BLM lit numerous backfires that ended up burning his private land, BLM permit and killing about 65 cows."

"A YouTube video named BLM Working at Burning Frenchglen-July 10, 2012 shows “back burn” fires allegedly lit by BLM personnel that are upwind of the main fire, including around Gary Miller’s corrals. The fire that appeared ready to die down several times, eventually burned around 160,000 acres, Miller said.
"Bill Wilber, a Harney County rancher, said five lightening strikes on July 13, 2014, merged to create a fire on Bartlett Mountain. The fire flew through his private ground, burned a BLM allotment and killed 39 cows and calves.
"While the fire could have been contained and stopped, BLM restrictions prevent local firefighting efforts like building a fireline, so only after taking in 397,000 acres did the fire finally stop when it came up against a series of roads."

Regarding the land grab:


"In an effort to stave off what they feared was a pending Clinton/Babbitt monument designation in 2000, a group of ranchers on the scenic Steens Mountain worked with Oregon Representative Greg Walden, a Republican, to draft and enact the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Act that would prevent such a deed. The ranchers agreed to work with special interest “environmental” groups like the aggressive Oregon Natural Desert Association and others to protect the higher-than 10,000-foot peak.
"A number of ranchers at the top of the mountain traded their BLM permits and private property for land on the valley floor, allowing Congress to create a 170,000 acre wilderness in 2000, with almost 100,000 acres being “cow-free.”
“The last holdouts on that cow-free wilderness are the Hammonds,” said Maupin. Though some still have BLM grazing permits, the Hammonds are the last private landowners in the area.
“It’s become more and more obvious over the years that the BLM and the wildlife refuge want that ranch. It would tie in with what they have,” said Rusty Inglis, an area rancher and retired U.S. Forest Service employee."

"“The Hammond family is not arsonists. They are number one, top notch. They know their land management,” said Inglis, who spent 34 years with the USFS and now ranches about 40 miles from the Hammonds and is unique in the area, operating strictly on private land.
"Inglis, president of his county Farm Bureau and a member of the Oregon Cattlemen’s Association said both groups are working to help gain media attention for the Hammond case. The state Farm Bureau group gathered signatures online for a petition to show widespread support for the family. “Enough is enough,” Inglis said. “We are not in Nazi Germany. We are in the United States of America.”
It's really sad when cattle get over run by a fire. I've seen it happen in my neighborhood. Don't know how the ranchers survived it.
Animal is worth 2k and a lightning strikes and wipes out about 50 head, that's a 100k
 
When the government owns public land an amazing thing happens. The public isn't allowed to use it.

BLM are bastards. There's an agency that needs a total overhaul.
What are you babbling about? The public has been using that land since 1908 as a Wildlife Refuge. People have been free to visit and make use of it for fishing, hunting, hiking and other outdoor activities for all of that time. They didn't stop having use of it until some random armed men showed up for a protest. The taxpayer owned land is totally controlled by the US Congress. It is elected officials who make the final determination as to how our property is used. Obviously, the taxpayers for over a hundred years have been in favor of using it as open and preserved natural undeveloped space to be held for future generations to enjoy. Your comment that the public isn't allowed to use the wildlife refuge is false and misleading. One of the buildings taken over by the criminals there now is the visitor center. The place where until they showed up, people stopped to get maps and guides for participating in refuge activities. You know, doing what you say isn't done, using the taxpayer owned and funded property.
 
When the government owns public land an amazing thing happens. The public isn't allowed to use it.

BLM are bastards. There's an agency that needs a total overhaul.
What are you babbling about? The public has been using that land since 1908 as a Wildlife Refuge. People have been free to visit and make use of it for fishing, hunting, hiking and other outdoor activities for all of that time. They didn't stop having use of it until some random armed men showed up for a protest. The taxpayer owned land is totally controlled by the US Congress. It is elected officials who make the final determination as to how our property is used. Obviously, the taxpayers for over a hundred years have been in favor of using it as open and preserved natural undeveloped space to be held for future generations to enjoy. Your comment that the public isn't allowed to use the wildlife refuge is false and misleading. One of the buildings taken over by the criminals there now is the visitor center. The place where until they showed up, people stopped to get maps and guides for participating in refuge activities. You know, doing what you say isn't done, using the taxpayer owned and funded property.
No, they have NOT been using "that land" since 1908 as a refuge. The blm has added SIGNIFICANTLY to it, after the feds regulated the use of surrounding property to the point where people can no longer afford to live there...then they gobble that land up too.

Under Clinton, they were going to make Steens Mountain a MONUMENT which would put it totally off limits for people who have managed it for GENERATIONS and who hunt on it to feed their children. The BLM repeatedly would call for studies and community input, which they would then ignore and do whatever the fuck they wanted.

The community and the feds came together in a joined effort to manage Steens Mountain...and then the BLM IGNORED the legislation that they created TOGETHER. They broke the laws that they crafted with the landowners and locals, and proceded to do whatever the fuck they wanted to the landowners, including fencing them off their own land.
 
Seems federal officials are even allowing the Citizens for Constitutional Freedom to go grocery shopping :)

...Harney County sheriff David M Ward told reporters the FBI was pursuing trespassing charges against the protesters and implored residents not to offer militia members as much as “a Snickers bar”.

Despite that request, and after seemingly arriving with fewer supplies than might have been expected, it appears the militia are well-stocked and preparing for a long, cold winter...

Late Monday, Wampler said, ranchers arrived with enough meat to fill four industrial refrigerators, replenishing the group’s diminishing supplies...

..Locals at the meeting demanded to know why federal officials are allowing the militia to come into town to restock supplies

Tension grows as Oregon militia occupies wildlife refuge for fourth night
 
Cutting off the power seems to be a little problematic :)

...They insisted that a federal government plan to cut power only steeled their resolve. They have enough propane and generators, they said, to last the winter...

However:

....Fulton also said a plan to turn off power at the site, first reported by the Guardian, had run into snags. Local power officials at the meeting said the move would also cut power to several surrounding ranches and that the only way to isolate the wildlife refuge would be to send men to the site to cut the local lines.

Tension grows as Oregon militia occupies wildlife refuge for fourth night
 

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