Locke, Social Contract Theory, and the Citizens Right to Revolt

[Norman]

" John Locke wrote in his Two Treaties on Government that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property, that have a foundation independent of the laws of any particular society. Locke used the claim that men are naturally free and equal as part of the justification for understanding legitimate political government as the result of a social contract where people in the state of nature conditionally transfer some of their rights to the government in order to better ensure the stable, comfortable enjoyment of their lives, liberty, and property. Since governments exist by the consent of the people in order to protect the rights of the people and promote the public good, governments that fail to do so can be resisted and replaced with new governments."
- Stanford University Plato
What we saw at the citadel of political corruption (The Congress) was people keeping their end of the social contract and storming the center of a crime syndicate. Power ultimately rest in the hands of the people. The citizens have every right to revolt against governments that do not rule in a just manner.

What did the founders say...

 

[Norman]

When you have ballot dumps in the middle of the night with the nefarious "mail in ballots" it violates the social contract rendering the government illegitimate

But that didn't happen. It has been explained to you ad nauseum and y'all willfully ignore the reality. That's the big difference between the real Revolution and what you think you are fighting for today. The taxes without representation were real. The Punitive Acts were real. The build up of British forces invading people's homes and taking their provisions was real. On the other hand, the stolen election was made up to let Trump stay in power despite losing.

If you actually respected Locke and the Founders you would take what you're doing a lot more seriously. You are trying to flush 200 plus years of democracy down the toilet over a fever dream.

The founders would have stormed the capitol a long time ago with or without fraud (which did occur).

They protested over few percentage taxes. The current day 50% of one's income to these crooks who send it to their special interest groups and other countries as if it was their money... they would have them shot.

 

[Norman]

" John Locke wrote in his Two Treaties on Government that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property, that have a foundation independent of the laws of any particular society. Locke used the claim that men are naturally free and equal as part of the justification for understanding legitimate political government as the result of a social contract where people in the state of nature conditionally transfer some of their rights to the government in order to better ensure the stable, comfortable enjoyment of their lives, liberty, and property. Since governments exist by the consent of the people in order to protect the rights of the people and promote the public good, governments that fail to do so can be resisted and replaced with new governments."
- Stanford University Plato
What we saw at the citadel of political corruption (The Congress) was people keeping their end of the social contract and storming the center of a crime syndicate. Power ultimately rest in the hands of the people. The citizens have every right to revolt against governments that do not rule in a just manner.

Do you see why slavery was bad?

Do you see why racism was bad?

Why segregation was bad?

Why Jim Crow was bad?

Why black Americans continue to FIGHT for our rights and JUSTICE?

You and many other whites in this country need to LEARN to live by your PROCLAIMED values!

SNAP OUT OF IT!!!!!

So you are saying the founding principles of the greatest nation ever built are bad.

Got it, anti-American. Now get back to your Venezuelan forum.

Communists are crazy, deranged people.

 

[freyasman]

 

[Circe]

" John Locke wrote in his Two Treaties on Government that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property. . .

Uh-oh ------- if we just had to go back to John Locke, I KNOW we're in trouble.

 

[task0778]

But that didn't happen.

But there's an awful lot of people who say it did happen or might've happened but couldn't prove it. There's a difference between 1) it definitely didn't happen, and 2) it definitely did happen, and 3) maybe it did happen but we can't prove it. I'm not sure who is ignoring reality here, those in the 1st group, those in the 2nd group, and those in the 3rd group. Ignoring the 2nd and 3rd group IMHO is ignoring the reality that somewhere between 40% and 50% of people surveyed think the election wasn't honest, according to many polls. I read one article that said many of the court cases alleging illegalities were thrown out of court on technicalities or a lack of standing. That statement wasn't supported, so I dunno how true that is, but in any case there is quite a large number of Americans who question the integrity of our election process, and that is a big problem. It is also ignoring reality to refuse to delegitimize what they think and feel.

What is a citizen supposed to do when their voice is not heard or is misconstrued by the press that isn't impartial? If they think their vote didn't count or was diminished in some way, what then? So, a whole lot of people show up at the rally for the president on Wednesday, and that is their right. Same as it is for the BLM folks, and people on either side of the abortion issue, among others. But sometimes it gets out of control, no? What I would call the criminal element turns what should have been a peaceful event into something violent and grotesque. Obviously, no one has the right to do that, but I submit that most of the people that showed up to the rally weren't intending to be a part of what transpired.

 

[Bush92]

When you have ballot dumps in the middle of the night with the nefarious "mail in ballots" it violates the social contract rendering the government illegitimate

But that didn't happen. It has been explained to you ad nauseum and y'all willfully ignore the reality. That's the big difference between the real Revolution and what you think you are fighting for today. The taxes without representation were real. The Punitive Acts were real. The build up of British forces invading people's homes and taking their provisions was real. On the other hand, the stolen election was made up to let Trump stay in power despite losing.

If you actually respected Locke and the Founders you would take what you're doing a lot more seriously. You are trying to flush 200 plus years of democracy down the toilet over a fever dream.

Democrat's, blue state governors, and liberal media have already flushed" 200 plus years of democracy" down the toilet. "Punitive Acts" like the Obamacare penalty the liberals want to bring back? Like the build-up of illegal aliens along the border that Democrats want to invade our country and destroy our way of life? Taxes? When my tax dollars are taken from me to finance the murder of the unborn I am somehow supposed to be happy with that? When my tax dollars are going to people who are not citizens of this country I am supposed to be happy with that? I have no representation when Nancy Pelosi steals power in the House of Representatives through " vote harvesting" and crooked "mail-in" ballots.

 

[Bush92]

" John Locke wrote in his Two Treaties on Government that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property, that have a foundation independent of the laws of any particular society. Locke used the claim that men are naturally free and equal as part of the justification for understanding legitimate political government as the result of a social contract where people in the state of nature conditionally transfer some of their rights to the government in order to better ensure the stable, comfortable enjoyment of their lives, liberty, and property. Since governments exist by the consent of the people in order to protect the rights of the people and promote the public good, governments that fail to do so can be resisted and replaced with new governments."
- Stanford University Plato
What we saw at the citadel of political corruption (The Congress) was people keeping their end of the social contract and storming the center of a crime syndicate. Power ultimately rest in the hands of the people. The citizens have every right to revolt against governments that do not rule in a just manner.

You must have been ecstatic during the BLM protests.

They had no reason to protest. Just and excuse to rob, loot, and burn down neighborhoods. The storming of the criminal citadel was the people upholding the social contract.

I'm glad the founding fathers left you in charge.

They did leave me in charge...I'm a common citizen. Not a lobbyist or a corrupt politician. Certainly not a fake journalist.

 

[Bush92]

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Love it!

 

[Bush92]

When you have ballot dumps in the middle of the night with the nefarious "mail in ballots" it violates the social contract rendering the government illegitimate

But that didn't happen. It has been explained to you ad nauseum and y'all willfully ignore the reality. That's the big difference between the real Revolution and what you think you are fighting for today. The taxes without representation were real. The Punitive Acts were real. The build up of British forces invading people's homes and taking their provisions was real. On the other hand, the stolen election was made up to let Trump stay in power despite losing.

If you actually respected Locke and the Founders you would take what you're doing a lot more seriously. You are trying to flush 200 plus years of democracy down the toilet over a fever dream.

The founders would have stormed the capitol a long time ago with or without fraud (which did occur).

They protested over few percentage taxes. The current day 50% of one's income to these crooks who send it to their special interest groups and other countries as if it was their money... they would have them shot.

That's correct. People now have a legitimate right to revolt.

 

[Turtlesoup]

" John Locke wrote in his Two Treaties on Government that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property, that have a foundation independent of the laws of any particular society. Locke used the claim that men are naturally free and equal as part of the justification for understanding legitimate political government as the result of a social contract where people in the state of nature conditionally transfer some of their rights to the government in order to better ensure the stable, comfortable enjoyment of their lives, liberty, and property. Since governments exist by the consent of the people in order to protect the rights of the people and promote the public good, governments that fail to do so can be resisted and replaced with new governments."
- Stanford University Plato
What we saw at the citadel of political corruption (The Congress) was people keeping their end of the social contract and storming the center of a crime syndicate. Power ultimately rest in the hands of the people. The citizens have every right to revolt against governments that do not rule in a just manner.

What did the founders say...

Thomas Jefferson was the smartest man EVER.....................

 

[22lcidw]

" John Locke wrote in his Two Treaties on Government that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property, that have a foundation independent of the laws of any particular society. Locke used the claim that men are naturally free and equal as part of the justification for understanding legitimate political government as the result of a social contract where people in the state of nature conditionally transfer some of their rights to the government in order to better ensure the stable, comfortable enjoyment of their lives, liberty, and property. Since governments exist by the consent of the people in order to protect the rights of the people and promote the public good, governments that fail to do so can be resisted and replaced with new governments."
- Stanford University Plato
What we saw at the citadel of political corruption (The Congress) was people keeping their end of the social contract and storming the center of a crime syndicate. Power ultimately rest in the hands of the people. The citizens have every right to revolt against governments that do not rule in a just manner.

Do you see why slavery was bad?

Do you see why racism was bad?

Why segregation was bad?

Why Jim Crow was bad?

Why black Americans continue to FIGHT for our rights and JUSTICE?

You and many other whites in this country need to LEARN to live by your PROCLAIMED values!

SNAP OUT OF IT!!!!!

Do you see why impregnating teenage girls without a father is bad?

 

[bendog]

" John Locke wrote in his Two Treaties on Government that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property, that have a foundation independent of the laws of any particular society. Locke used the claim that men are naturally free and equal as part of the justification for understanding legitimate political government as the result of a social contract where people in the state of nature conditionally transfer some of their rights to the government in order to better ensure the stable, comfortable enjoyment of their lives, liberty, and property. Since governments exist by the consent of the people in order to protect the rights of the people and promote the public good, governments that fail to do so can be resisted and replaced with new governments."
- Stanford University Plato
What we saw at the citadel of political corruption (The Congress) was people keeping their end of the social contract and storming the center of a crime syndicate. Power ultimately rest in the hands of the people. The citizens have every right to revolt against governments that do not rule in a just manner.

Trump got all his recounts and court hearings. There was no abuse of power but Trump's call for treason

Lock up the insurrectionists and fine them.

Right of Revolution: John Locke, Second Treatise, §§ 149, 155, 168, 207--10, 220--31, 240--43

press-pubs.uchicago.edu

 

[georgephillip]

" John Locke wrote in his Two Treaties on Government that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property, that have a foundation independent of the laws of any particular society. Locke used the claim that men are naturally free and equal as part of the justification for understanding legitimate political government as the result of a social contract where people in the state of nature conditionally transfer some of their rights to the government in order to better ensure the stable, comfortable enjoyment of their lives, liberty, and property. Since governments exist by the consent of the people in order to protect the rights of the people and promote the public good, governments that fail to do so can be resisted and replaced with new governments."
- Stanford University Plato
What we saw at the citadel of political corruption (The Congress) was people keeping their end of the social contract and storming the center of a crime syndicate. Power ultimately rest in the hands of the people. The citizens have every right to revolt against governments that do not rule in a just manner.

Right of revolution - Wikipedia

"In political philosophy, the right of revolution (or right of rebellion) is the right or duty of a people to overthrow a government that acts against their common interests and/or threatens the safety of the people without cause. Stated throughout history in one form or another, the belief in this right has been used to justify various revolutions, including the American Revolution, French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, and the Iranian Revolution.

There was no just cause last Wednesday.
There was only a motley collection of racists and sore losers unable to admit their Messiah lost (again.)
Locke wouldn't waste spit on a petty tyrant like Trump.

 

[Bush92]

" John Locke wrote in his Two Treaties on Government that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property, that have a foundation independent of the laws of any particular society. Locke used the claim that men are naturally free and equal as part of the justification for understanding legitimate political government as the result of a social contract where people in the state of nature conditionally transfer some of their rights to the government in order to better ensure the stable, comfortable enjoyment of their lives, liberty, and property. Since governments exist by the consent of the people in order to protect the rights of the people and promote the public good, governments that fail to do so can be resisted and replaced with new governments."
- Stanford University Plato
What we saw at the citadel of political corruption (The Congress) was people keeping their end of the social contract and storming the center of a crime syndicate. Power ultimately rest in the hands of the people. The citizens have every right to revolt against governments that do not rule in a just manner.

Trump got all his recounts and court hearings. There was no abuse of power but Trump's call for treason

Lock up the insurrectionists and fine them.

Right of Revolution: John Locke, Second Treatise, §§ 149, 155, 168, 207--10, 220--31, 240--43

press-pubs.uchicago.edu

Did they throw out the corrupted mail-in ballots? No they did not. Let's trace those mail-in ballots by checking signatures in a registration book used on election day as people signed in a voted. We can't. That's the point. Democrat's do not want election integrity.

 

[Bush92]

" John Locke wrote in his Two Treaties on Government that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property, that have a foundation independent of the laws of any particular society. Locke used the claim that men are naturally free and equal as part of the justification for understanding legitimate political government as the result of a social contract where people in the state of nature conditionally transfer some of their rights to the government in order to better ensure the stable, comfortable enjoyment of their lives, liberty, and property. Since governments exist by the consent of the people in order to protect the rights of the people and promote the public good, governments that fail to do so can be resisted and replaced with new governments."
- Stanford University Plato
What we saw at the citadel of political corruption (The Congress) was people keeping their end of the social contract and storming the center of a crime syndicate. Power ultimately rest in the hands of the people. The citizens have every right to revolt against governments that do not rule in a just manner.

Right of revolution - Wikipedia

"In political philosophy, the right of revolution (or right of rebellion) is the right or duty of a people to overthrow a government that acts against their common interests and/or threatens the safety of the people without cause. Stated throughout history in one form or another, the belief in this right has been used to justify various revolutions, including the American Revolution, French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, and the Iranian Revolution.

There was no just cause last Wednesday.
There was only a motley collection of racists and sore losers unable to admit their Messiah lost (again.)
Locke wouldn't waste spit on a petty tyrant like Trump.

Thank you for justifying the events of last Wednesday.

 

[Bush92]

" John Locke wrote in his Two Treaties on Government that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property, that have a foundation independent of the laws of any particular society. Locke used the claim that men are naturally free and equal as part of the justification for understanding legitimate political government as the result of a social contract where people in the state of nature conditionally transfer some of their rights to the government in order to better ensure the stable, comfortable enjoyment of their lives, liberty, and property. Since governments exist by the consent of the people in order to protect the rights of the people and promote the public good, governments that fail to do so can be resisted and replaced with new governments."
- Stanford University Plato
What we saw at the citadel of political corruption (The Congress) was people keeping their end of the social contract and storming the center of a crime syndicate. Power ultimately rest in the hands of the people. The citizens have every right to revolt against governments that do not rule in a just manner.

Trump got all his recounts and court hearings. There was no abuse of power but Trump's call for treason

Lock up the insurrectionists and fine them.

Right of Revolution: John Locke, Second Treatise, §§ 149, 155, 168, 207--10, 220--31, 240--43

press-pubs.uchicago.edu

Perhaps next election the Democrats will have Dominos deliver ballots with every pizza.

 

[OldLady]

But that didn't happen.

But there's an awful lot of people who say it did happen or might've happened but couldn't prove it. There's a difference between 1) it definitely didn't happen, and 2) it definitely did happen, and 3) maybe it did happen but we can't prove it. I'm not sure who is ignoring reality here, those in the 1st group, those in the 2nd group, and those in the 3rd group. Ignoring the 2nd and 3rd group IMHO is ignoring the reality that somewhere between 40% and 50% of people surveyed think the election wasn't honest, according to many polls. I read one article that said many of the court cases alleging illegalities were thrown out of court on technicalities or a lack of standing. That statement wasn't supported, so I dunno how true that is, but in any case there is quite a large number of Americans who question the integrity of our election process, and that is a big problem. It is also ignoring reality to refuse to delegitimize what they think and feel.

What is a citizen supposed to do when their voice is not heard or is misconstrued by the press that isn't impartial? If they think their vote didn't count or was diminished in some way, what then? So, a whole lot of people show up at the rally for the president on Wednesday, and that is their right. Same as it is for the BLM folks, and people on either side of the abortion issue, among others. But sometimes it gets out of control, no? What I would call the criminal element turns what should have been a peaceful event into something violent and grotesque. Obviously, no one has the right to do that, but I submit that most of the people that showed up to the rally weren't intending to be a part of what transpired.

I agree. Where there are concerns about voting procedures, the states should hammer out better ones. It deserves a serious look. But the fraud "evidence" this time has been debunked over and over and in order for reasonable minds to improve things, we have to let the propaganda from Trump's team go.

I keep reminding myself of your last. It's not easy for me to read some of the defenses here without feeling you are all deplorable. But beneath the fabrications, there is a truth somewhere. People are dissatisfied, as one of our mods expressed in a thread today. They deserve to have that listened to. Just no more and more fanciful tales. Please..

 

[Bush92]

But that didn't happen.

But there's an awful lot of people who say it did happen or might've happened but couldn't prove it. There's a difference between 1) it definitely didn't happen, and 2) it definitely did happen, and 3) maybe it did happen but we can't prove it. I'm not sure who is ignoring reality here, those in the 1st group, those in the 2nd group, and those in the 3rd group. Ignoring the 2nd and 3rd group IMHO is ignoring the reality that somewhere between 40% and 50% of people surveyed think the election wasn't honest, according to many polls. I read one article that said many of the court cases alleging illegalities were thrown out of court on technicalities or a lack of standing. That statement wasn't supported, so I dunno how true that is, but in any case there is quite a large number of Americans who question the integrity of our election process, and that is a big problem. It is also ignoring reality to refuse to delegitimize what they think and feel.

What is a citizen supposed to do when their voice is not heard or is misconstrued by the press that isn't impartial? If they think their vote didn't count or was diminished in some way, what then? So, a whole lot of people show up at the rally for the president on Wednesday, and that is their right. Same as it is for the BLM folks, and people on either side of the abortion issue, among others. But sometimes it gets out of control, no? What I would call the criminal element turns what should have been a peaceful event into something violent and grotesque. Obviously, no one has the right to do that, but I submit that most of the people that showed up to the rally weren't intending to be a part of what transpired.

I agree. Where there are concerns about voting procedures, the states should hammer out better ones. It deserves a serious look. But the fraud "evidence" this time has been debunked over and over and in order for reasonable minds to improve things, we have to let the propaganda from Trump's team go.

I keep reminding myself of your last. It's not easy for me to read some of the defenses here without feeling you are all deplorable. But beneath the fabrications, there is a truth somewhere. People are dissatisfied, as one of our mods expressed in a thread today. They deserve to have that listened to. Just no more and more fanciful tales. Please..

How did 130,000 more people cast Republican ballots for Senate in November, but lost in the run-off in Georgia? Not logical.

 

[OldLady]

" John Locke wrote in his Two Treaties on Government that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property, that have a foundation independent of the laws of any particular society. Locke used the claim that men are naturally free and equal as part of the justification for understanding legitimate political government as the result of a social contract where people in the state of nature conditionally transfer some of their rights to the government in order to better ensure the stable, comfortable enjoyment of their lives, liberty, and property. Since governments exist by the consent of the people in order to protect the rights of the people and promote the public good, governments that fail to do so can be resisted and replaced with new governments."
- Stanford University Plato
What we saw at the citadel of political corruption (The Congress) was people keeping their end of the social contract and storming the center of a crime syndicate. Power ultimately rest in the hands of the people. The citizens have every right to revolt against governments that do not rule in a just manner.

Right of revolution - Wikipedia

"In political philosophy, the right of revolution (or right of rebellion) is the right or duty of a people to overthrow a government that acts against their common interests and/or threatens the safety of the people without cause. Stated throughout history in one form or another, the belief in this right has been used to justify various revolutions, including the American Revolution, French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, and the Iranian Revolution.

There was no just cause last Wednesday.
There was only a motley collection of racists and sore losers unable to admit their Messiah lost (again.)
Locke wouldn't waste spit on a petty tyrant like Trump.

Without all those adjectives, I agree.