Love it or leave it...

[gipper]

I know I know....it’s all commie pinko bull shit. In the greatest and “freest” nation the world has ever seen we just can’t have these things, except for the ultra wealthy. We do have a massive imperialistic military though. Yippee! We’re GREAT!


Imagine...
Imagine a dystopian future in which every person in the United States is given free and total and preventative heath care from whatever doctors and nurses they want, but CNN talking heads pine sorrowfully for their beloved insurance companies.

Imagine that top-quality education from preschool through college is available free to anyone who wants it, but your elderly neighbor is furious because he had to pay for his education, and your local military recruiter is outraged because business is bad.

Imagine full employment with a universal living wage and the right to organize, including for all immigrants, but a billionaire on TV is spitting mad because workers are being “coddled.”

Imagine an economy converted to peaceful industries, with every worker aided in the transition, and no more of these catastrophic wars, but a weapons company CEO is on NPR describing the suffering involved in selling off a beloved yacht.

Imagine life becoming easier, less anxious, more enjoyable — as you un-plug your Tesla from your free solar power and three seconds later pass a gas-burning sports car with a bumper sticker that reads “Socialism sucks!”

Love It or Leave It | Washington's Blog

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

What?

 

[WinterBorn]

I know I know....it’s all commie pinko bull shit. In the greatest and “freest” nation the world has ever seen we just can’t have these things, except for the ultra wealthy. We do have a massive imperialistic military though. Yippee! We’re GREAT!


Imagine...
Imagine a dystopian future in which every person in the United States is given free and total and preventative heath care from whatever doctors and nurses they want, but CNN talking heads pine sorrowfully for their beloved insurance companies.

Imagine that top-quality education from preschool through college is available free to anyone who wants it, but your elderly neighbor is furious because he had to pay for his education, and your local military recruiter is outraged because business is bad.

Imagine full employment with a universal living wage and the right to organize, including for all immigrants, but a billionaire on TV is spitting mad because workers are being “coddled.”

Imagine an economy converted to peaceful industries, with every worker aided in the transition, and no more of these catastrophic wars, but a weapons company CEO is on NPR describing the suffering involved in selling off a beloved yacht.

Imagine life becoming easier, less anxious, more enjoyable — as you un-plug your Tesla from your free solar power and three seconds later pass a gas-burning sports car with a bumper sticker that reads “Socialism sucks!”

Love It or Leave It | Washington's Blog

So much potential and so little actually realized.

 

[Auld Phart]

I always get a laff out of 'living wage'.

If I want to live like a millionaire, is the government going to guarantee me the funds for it?

 

[Maxdeath]

Hey you want free healthcare, free collage, free everything not a problem. Just convince everyone to up their taxes from 20% to 60%. Of course don't fail to forget that state and local taxes are not going away. That means at least another 20%.
If you think you and others can live on 20 or 30% of your current paycheck then have at it.
As far as military goes just convince every country to stop producing military goods, do away with standing armies. If that actually happens get back to me.

 

[rightwinger]

Hey you want free healthcare, free collage, free everything not a problem. Just convince everyone to up their taxes from 20% to 60%. Of course don't fail to forget that state and local taxes are not going away. That means at least another 20%.
If you think you and others can live on 20 or 30% of your current paycheck then have at it.
As far as military goes just convince every country to stop producing military goods, do away with standing armies. If that actually happens get back to me.

The money still comes out of your pocket whether you pay for it privately or through a government program

Depends which is more efficient

 

[occupied]

Hey you want free healthcare, free collage, free everything not a problem. Just convince everyone to up their taxes from 20% to 60%. Of course don't fail to forget that state and local taxes are not going away. That means at least another 20%.
If you think you and others can live on 20 or 30% of your current paycheck then have at it.
As far as military goes just convince every country to stop producing military goods, do away with standing armies. If that actually happens get back to me.

Most people would not care about higher taxes if they thought they were getting their money's worth. The problem with our system is that we have no right to expect a quality return for our taxes.

 

[gipper]

Hey you want free healthcare, free collage, free everything not a problem. Just convince everyone to up their taxes from 20% to 60%. Of course don't fail to forget that state and local taxes are not going away. That means at least another 20%.
If you think you and others can live on 20 or 30% of your current paycheck then have at it.
As far as military goes just convince every country to stop producing military goods, do away with standing armies. If that actually happens get back to me.

Most people would not care about higher taxes if they thought they were getting their money's worth. The problem with our system is that we have no right to expect a quality return for our taxes.

What we can expect and actually witness year after year, is our tax money supporting huge corporations and billionaires. Amazingly millions of Americans think this is just WONDERFUL.

 

[SAYIT]

I know I know....it’s all commie pinko bull shit. In the greatest and “freest” nation the world has ever seen we just can’t have these things, except for the ultra wealthy. We do have a massive imperialistic military though. Yippee! We’re GREAT!


Imagine...
Imagine a dystopian future in which every person in the United States is given free and total and preventative heath care from whatever doctors and nurses they want, but CNN talking heads pine sorrowfully for their beloved insurance companies.

Imagine that top-quality education from preschool through college is available free to anyone who wants it, but your elderly neighbor is furious because he had to pay for his education, and your local military recruiter is outraged because business is bad.

Imagine full employment with a universal living wage and the right to organize, including for all immigrants, but a billionaire on TV is spitting mad because workers are being “coddled.”

Imagine an economy converted to peaceful industries, with every worker aided in the transition, and no more of these catastrophic wars, but a weapons company CEO is on NPR describing the suffering involved in selling off a beloved yacht.

Imagine life becoming easier, less anxious, more enjoyable — as you un-plug your Tesla from your free solar power and three seconds later pass a gas-burning sports car with a bumper sticker that reads “Socialism sucks!”

Love It or Leave It | Washington's Blog

That's not dystopian but rather fantasyland and if were gonna dream about the "Worker's Paradise," can I at least get a "free" Maserati Quattroporte every year?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Hey you want free healthcare, free collage, free everything not a problem. Just convince everyone to up their taxes from 20% to 60%. Of course don't fail to forget that state and local taxes are not going away. That means at least another 20%.
If you think you and others can live on 20 or 30% of your current paycheck then have at it.
As far as military goes just convince every country to stop producing military goods, do away with standing armies. If that actually happens get back to me.

The money still comes out of your pocket whether you pay for it privately or through a government program

Depends which is more efficient

Please document the existence of efficient governments throughout history.

It shouldn't take long.

 

[gipper]

I know I know....it’s all commie pinko bull shit. In the greatest and “freest” nation the world has ever seen we just can’t have these things, except for the ultra wealthy. We do have a massive imperialistic military though. Yippee! We’re GREAT!


Imagine...
Imagine a dystopian future in which every person in the United States is given free and total and preventative heath care from whatever doctors and nurses they want, but CNN talking heads pine sorrowfully for their beloved insurance companies.

Imagine that top-quality education from preschool through college is available free to anyone who wants it, but your elderly neighbor is furious because he had to pay for his education, and your local military recruiter is outraged because business is bad.

Imagine full employment with a universal living wage and the right to organize, including for all immigrants, but a billionaire on TV is spitting mad because workers are being “coddled.”

Imagine an economy converted to peaceful industries, with every worker aided in the transition, and no more of these catastrophic wars, but a weapons company CEO is on NPR describing the suffering involved in selling off a beloved yacht.

Imagine life becoming easier, less anxious, more enjoyable — as you un-plug your Tesla from your free solar power and three seconds later pass a gas-burning sports car with a bumper sticker that reads “Socialism sucks!”

Love It or Leave It | Washington's Blog

That's not dystopian but rather fantasyland and if were gonna dream about the "Worker's Paradise," can I at least get a "free" Maserati Quattroporte every year?

Sure. That is exactly what I’m posting about. Everyone gets a Maserati.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Hey you want free healthcare, free collage, free everything not a problem. Just convince everyone to up their taxes from 20% to 60%. Of course don't fail to forget that state and local taxes are not going away. That means at least another 20%.
If you think you and others can live on 20 or 30% of your current paycheck then have at it.
As far as military goes just convince every country to stop producing military goods, do away with standing armies. If that actually happens get back to me.

Most people would not care about higher taxes if they thought they were getting their money's worth. The problem with our system is that we have no right to expect a quality return for our taxes.

What we can expect and actually witness year after year, is our tax money supporting huge corporations and billionaires. Amazingly millions of Americans think this is just WONDERFUL.

What I'm seeing is tax revenue supporting people who don't belong here, while we have military veterans living in tents is shit-strewn Los Angeles, San Francisco and others.

 

[WinterBorn]

Hey you want free healthcare, free collage, free everything not a problem. Just convince everyone to up their taxes from 20% to 60%. Of course don't fail to forget that state and local taxes are not going away. That means at least another 20%.
If you think you and others can live on 20 or 30% of your current paycheck then have at it.
As far as military goes just convince every country to stop producing military goods, do away with standing armies. If that actually happens get back to me.

State tax at 20%? Where? CA has the highest state tax at 13.3% if you make over $1 million. Hawaii comes in second with 11%. The rest of the states have state taxes that are less than 10%. If your local taxes get 10% of your income, it is time to move. Georgia maxes out at 7% with local taxes running 2% or so. And 7 states have zero state income taxes.

As for our military, we spend as much on defense as the next 20+ nations combined. Most of that 20+ are our allies. We could cut defense spending in half and still be quite capable of defending ourselves and our interests.

 

[occupied]

Hey you want free healthcare, free collage, free everything not a problem. Just convince everyone to up their taxes from 20% to 60%. Of course don't fail to forget that state and local taxes are not going away. That means at least another 20%.
If you think you and others can live on 20 or 30% of your current paycheck then have at it.
As far as military goes just convince every country to stop producing military goods, do away with standing armies. If that actually happens get back to me.

Most people would not care about higher taxes if they thought they were getting their money's worth. The problem with our system is that we have no right to expect a quality return for our taxes.

What we can expect and actually witness year after year, is our tax money supporting huge corporations and billionaires. Amazingly millions of Americans think this is just WONDERFUL.

Yeah the "job creators" must be appeased even if it means the working class will never be better off. Some people call it capitalism but it more closely resembles an aristocracy.

 

[Auld Phart]

Hey you want free healthcare, free collage, free everything not a problem. Just convince everyone to up their taxes from 20% to 60%. Of course don't fail to forget that state and local taxes are not going away. That means at least another 20%.
If you think you and others can live on 20 or 30% of your current paycheck then have at it.
As far as military goes just convince every country to stop producing military goods, do away with standing armies. If that actually happens get back to me.

The money still comes out of your pocket whether you pay for it privately or through a government program

Depends which is more efficient

Depends which is more efficient

How can government be more efficient, when so many of our elected officials become millionaires on 'state pay'?

 

[SAYIT]

Hey you want free healthcare, free collage, free everything not a problem. Just convince everyone to up their taxes from 20% to 60%. Of course don't fail to forget that state and local taxes are not going away. That means at least another 20%.
If you think you and others can live on 20 or 30% of your current paycheck then have at it.
As far as military goes just convince every country to stop producing military goods, do away with standing armies. If that actually happens get back to me.

Most people would not care about higher taxes if they thought they were getting their money's worth. The problem with our system is that we have no right to expect a quality return for our taxes.

We absolutely have that right but rarely if ever get it from our big, greasy, corrupt, power-hungry central gov't. The lesson all should learn by their 30th birthday is that the road to paradise does not run through WashDC and the idiots we elect should have no more authority over our lives or how we live them than the narrowest interpretation of our constitution allows.

"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely." - Lord Acton

To believe otherwise is to put ourselves on the path to Venezuela.

 

[gipper]

Hey you want free healthcare, free collage, free everything not a problem. Just convince everyone to up their taxes from 20% to 60%. Of course don't fail to forget that state and local taxes are not going away. That means at least another 20%.
If you think you and others can live on 20 or 30% of your current paycheck then have at it.
As far as military goes just convince every country to stop producing military goods, do away with standing armies. If that actually happens get back to me.

Most people would not care about higher taxes if they thought they were getting their money's worth. The problem with our system is that we have no right to expect a quality return for our taxes.

What we can expect and actually witness year after year, is our tax money supporting huge corporations and billionaires. Amazingly millions of Americans think this is just WONDERFUL.

What I'm seeing is tax revenue supporting people who don't belong here, while we have military veterans living in tents is shit-strewn Los Angeles, San Francisco and others.

I don’t disagree with that, but our tax revenue also supports big corporations and billionaires. We should discontinue both.

 

[SAYIT]

I know I know....it’s all commie pinko bull shit. In the greatest and “freest” nation the world has ever seen we just can’t have these things, except for the ultra wealthy. We do have a massive imperialistic military though. Yippee! We’re GREAT!


Imagine...
Imagine a dystopian future in which every person in the United States is given free and total and preventative heath care from whatever doctors and nurses they want, but CNN talking heads pine sorrowfully for their beloved insurance companies.

Imagine that top-quality education from preschool through college is available free to anyone who wants it, but your elderly neighbor is furious because he had to pay for his education, and your local military recruiter is outraged because business is bad.

Imagine full employment with a universal living wage and the right to organize, including for all immigrants, but a billionaire on TV is spitting mad because workers are being “coddled.”

Imagine an economy converted to peaceful industries, with every worker aided in the transition, and no more of these catastrophic wars, but a weapons company CEO is on NPR describing the suffering involved in selling off a beloved yacht.

Imagine life becoming easier, less anxious, more enjoyable — as you un-plug your Tesla from your free solar power and three seconds later pass a gas-burning sports car with a bumper sticker that reads “Socialism sucks!”

Love It or Leave It | Washington's Blog

That's not dystopian but rather fantasyland and if were gonna dream about the "Worker's Paradise," can I at least get a "free" Maserati Quattroporte every year?

Sure. That is exactly what I’m posting about. Everyone gets a Maserati.

Allrightythen … I'm in!!

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Hey you want free healthcare, free collage, free everything not a problem. Just convince everyone to up their taxes from 20% to 60%. Of course don't fail to forget that state and local taxes are not going away. That means at least another 20%.
If you think you and others can live on 20 or 30% of your current paycheck then have at it.
As far as military goes just convince every country to stop producing military goods, do away with standing armies. If that actually happens get back to me.

Most people would not care about higher taxes if they thought they were getting their money's worth. The problem with our system is that we have no right to expect a quality return for our taxes.

What we can expect and actually witness year after year, is our tax money supporting huge corporations and billionaires. Amazingly millions of Americans think this is just WONDERFUL.

What I'm seeing is tax revenue supporting people who don't belong here, while we have military veterans living in tents is shit-strewn Los Angeles, San Francisco and others.

I don’t disagree with that, but our tax revenue also supports big corporations and billionaires. We should discontinue both.

Depends on the level of reinvestment and job creation.

 

[Hellokitty]

Hey you want free healthcare, free collage, free everything not a problem. Just convince everyone to up their taxes from 20% to 60%. Of course don't fail to forget that state and local taxes are not going away. That means at least another 20%.
If you think you and others can live on 20 or 30% of your current paycheck then have at it.
As far as military goes just convince every country to stop producing military goods, do away with standing armies. If that actually happens get back to me.

No one in the media is challenging the democrats clown show on how all the freebies will not be a tax, while at the same time hyping up TRUMP's tariffs as a tax that is going to destroy the economy.