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It is a POLITICAL BULLSHIT, WITCH HUNT!....And America sees it as it is, a PARTISAN demonRAT ATTEMPT to remove a duly elected president. Of course the LEAKER ,or whistle blowers you and the man call him is certainly germaine to the procedure....and this is more that should be investigated...COMMITTEE OR NOT ...NO TRANSPARENCY AND ONLY ONE SIDE PRESENTED. TRUMP REFUSED THE RIGHT OF FACING HIS ACCUSERS...AND A PURELY NAZI STYLE COURT HEARING....THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN SEE FOR THEMSELVES THE CORRUPT ACTS OF THE DEMONRATS....SHAMEFUL AND I HOPE YOU ASSHOLES KEEP IT U! YOU ARE THE BEST BET FOR TRUMP REELECTION EXCEPT FOR THESE SABOTEURS AND ANTI-AMERICAN PIECES OF SHIT!WE AKREADY KNOW YOUVARE A COMMUNIST AND ANT-AMERICAN PIECE OF SHIT....HEVHAD NO PATRIOTISM, ALL THATVTRSITOR HAD WAS HIS WANTING TO BE IN CHARGE. TRYING TO CHANGE WHAT THE PREDIDENT SAID...WHO THE FUCK IS HE TO CHANGE BY HIMSELF WITH NO OTHER INTEL PEOPLE SGREEING, TO ALTER WHAT WAS SAI????.... HE. LIKE YOU ARE SUBVERSIVES. AMERICAN HATERS. LEADERS OF THE COUP TO REMOVE A LEGALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT!
White House disputes Vindman account of transcript edits
Oct 31, 2019 · Vindman testified to House investigators that he tried to suggest changes to the transcript that was released by the White House, but was ..
WE REALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT VINDMAN SAID BECAUSE IT WAS CLOSED TO EVRRYONE EVEN CONGRESSMEN ...WHERE WAS THE TRANSPARANCY THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A AILABLE ESPECIALLY IN THE NIXON AND CLINTON TRIALS....IT IS A KANGAROO COURT WITH MOLE . SPYS, AND TRAITORS MAKING OUTRAGEOUS CLAIMS THATVTHE PUBLIC HAS NOT SEEN AND NOWSCHITT REFUSESCTO LET REPUBLI ANS CALL THEIRCOWN WITNESSED...PURELY COMMUNIST, AND STALIN TACTICS, AND THEY HAVE SCUM LIKE YOU WANTING TO CIRCUMVENTVOUR CONSTITUTION....PLEASE GO WITH VINDMAN TO YOUR HOME COUNTRY, UKRAINE!
THAT IS THE STANDARD LINE FOR TRUMP SUPPORTERS. HOLDING TRUMP ACCOUNTABLE IS NOT COMMUNIST AND IT IS PRO-AMERICA. YOUR ATTITUDE IS ANTI-AMERICA AS YOUU ALLOW TRUMP TO IGNORE THE CONSTITUTION AND SMEAR ANYONE WHO HOLDS HIM ACCOUNTABLE WHEN HE ABUSES HIS POWER. THAT SHOWS YOU ARE THE PIECE OF SHIT AND HAVE NO CLUE WHAT PATRIOTISM IS ABOUT. YOUR IDEA OF PATRIOTISM IS WHAT HITLER PREACHED. YOU ARE THE SUBVERSIVE WHO WANTS TO STAGE A COUP. IMPEACHMENT IS NOT A COUP. IT IS A LEGAL REMEDY FOR HOLDING A PRESIDENT ACCOUNTABLE.
The fact is that Trump is a congenital liar and if it comes down to the White House vs Lt Col Vidman, I will take his word over Trump's.
IT WAS CLOSED TO CONGRESSMEN WHO WERE NOT ON THE COMMITTEE. WE KNOW THE GIST OF WHAT HE SAID. THE RULES DEMOCRATS USED WERE THE SAME RULES REPUBLICANS SET IN PLACE. SCHIFF REQUIRES SCHIFF HAS SAID HE WILL ONLY ALLOW WITNESSES THAT HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF THE QUID PRO QUO, ONLY 3 OF THE 8 NAMES THAT WERE SUBMITTED HAVE RELEVANT INFORMATION.YOU ARE THE ONE CIRCUMVENTING THE CONSTITUTION. I AND COL VIDMAN ARE IN OUR HOME COUNTRY. YOU SHOULD GO TO RUSSIA WHICH IS A DICTATORSHIP!
THIS IS NOT A CRIMINAL TRIAL. HE IS NOT ENTITLED TO FACE HIS ACCUSERS. WHISTLEBLOWER LAWS ARE IN PLACE FOR A REASON GIVEN THAT TRUMP HAS THREATENED THE WHISTLEBLOWER. THE ONLY NAZIS ARE THE TRUMP SUPPORTERS. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SUPPORT THE INQUIRY AND DEMOCRATS ARE USING THE RULES REPUBLICANS SET UP IN 2015. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE SEEING THE CORRUPT ACTS OF TRUMP. TRUMP'S RE-ELECTION CHANCES ARE GROWING DIMMER AS THE DYNAMICS IN THE ELECTIONS OF 2018 WERE IN PLACE FOR THE ELECTIONS OF 2019. TRUMP IS IN THE CROSSHAIRS AS HE IS THE NEXT BATTER UP.
It is HIS IMPEACHMENT and the American people see how NAZI LIKE and what a DemonRAT DICTATORSHIP LOOKS LIKE when Schitt directs a witness NOT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, from a fellow committee member....when in Americsn history has a TOTALITARIAN been able to circumvent what has become the RIGHT of the accused (Trump) denied a witness to answer and not allowed witnesses that are willing to contradict other witnesses for a fair and just way....yes, you ABNORMALS are certainly making a case for Republicans to win BIGLY in 2020....keep it up, enemy of American Freedom!
IMPEACHMENT is not a criminal trial. He is in no danger of being sent to jail. The only thing that is NAZI LIKE AND DICTATORIAL is Trump. He makes up laws. Ignores the Constitution that gives Congress the power of the purse and the power of oversight. Schiff SHOULD NOT ALLOW questions that HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH the inquiry. Even in a court of law, attorneys cannot ask any question they want. THIS IS NOT A CRIMINAL TRIAL. The rights you mention do not
exist anywhere except in a criminal trial. Republicans will likely get 3 witnesses of the eight as they are the only witnesses who are germane to the case. Hunter Biden is not. Like Republicans won bigly in 2018 and 2019.
After weeks of conducting hearings in private, the House impeachment inquiry is going public this week. But if the Democrats stage-managing this affair have their way, there will be one element of their presidential-misconduct allegations that won’t be part of the show: Hunter Biden.
Democrats believe that the vice-presidential son’s Ukraine shenanigans are irrelevant to impeachment. They want the hearings to be entirely focused on their accusation that President Trump threatened to withhold American military aid to force Kiev to investigate a political rival.
They say that questions about what Hunter did or didn’t do, and what his father knew and when he knew it, are just a conspiracy theory floated by Trump and his followers to confuse the American people.
But even if you buy the Democrats’ premise that Trump’s request was not merely inappropriate but illegal and a crime so terrible that it justifies impeachment, this makes no sense.
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And this!
Material Witnesses Must be Heard – or House Impeachment is a Fraud - AMAC - The Association of Mature American Citizens
Openness is not just glancing through a keyhole – but entering the castle. In legal terms, a credible, legitimate impeachment inquiry must entertain material witnesses, just as a credible criminal proceeding or grand jury must do. To shutout key witnesses upends due process, makes a mockery of the Sixth Amendment, and disserves the American people. Yet that is what is happening.
To be specific, the impeachment process is now officially off the rails. The longer this charade continues, the bigger a debacle it becomes. No impeachment in US history ever started in the House Intelligence Committee, or under a cloak of secrecy. This one did. There remains no excuse for that deception. Impeachment is the exclusive province of the Judiciary Committee – an open committee.
Compelled to open impeachment, House leaders now selectively pick witnesses. This too is wrong. In the name of justice, material witness to a criminal inquiry – and impeachment is the constitutional surrogate for a criminal inquiry – must be entertained.
Put differently, you cannot put a thumb – let alone your whole bodyweight – on Lady Liberty’s scale, to tip a constitutional impeachment process toward guilt. If material witnesses exist who undermine that finding, they must be heard.
Specifically, in this impeachment, more than a dozen material witnesses exist – who may never be heard. Who are they? To summarize, they fall into four categories.
The first category is material witnesses who formally accused the president. That groups starts with two “whistleblowers,” one who proffered falsehoods and hearsay, the other his source.
Both must appear. Why? Five reasons. Testimony from these two represents the “best evidence” of what they allege – their testimony is better, as a matter of law, than their written complaint. Second, their testimony must be cross-examined, as a matter of truth finding.
Third, their credibility is in question. Are they part of a political gambit to unseat a president, or unbiased? Is the first whistleblower’s attorney, who reportedly advocated a “coup,” part of some larger plan? If so, does attorney-client privilege hold? Did the first whistleblower craft the complaint alone, or with help from the Intelligence Committee – a committee that now sits in judgment?
Fourth, the whistleblowers must testify to satisfy the Sixth Amendment, which permits the accused – here, a president – to confront his accusers. The whistleblowers are his accusers, and any impeachment requires the accusers to face the one they accuse.
Finally, these whistleblowers must testify because they may be in direct violation of federal law, revealing classified material. The president’s declassification of the call transcript is immaterial to their potential guilt.
All this leads to a second set of material witnesses, those who may have collaborated. The group includes Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, as well as one or more Committee, Congressional, White House or State Department staff. Schiff’s testimony should be mandatory, others as implicated.
A third set of material witnesses are those who may vindicate the president’s request that Ukraine cooperate on a public corruption probe. That includes Hunter Biden, potentially his father and partner.
Why? In short, if Republicans establish probable cause to believe Hunter Biden committed a crime under US law, for example selling influence of his Vice President father or perceived influence, or that his father knew this was happening and it would benefit his son, then under the US-Ukrainian anti-public corruption treaty of 2000, seeking relevant information would be legal.
Put differently, if the son of any public figure, with or without that figure’s knowledge, commits US crimes in Ukraine – or in China – US authorities have the right to know that facts. That is what the US-Ukraine treaty is all about. Whether one is running for president should not be relevant. No one gets a “get out of jail free” card or immunity, for prior crimes.
Finally, a fourth category of material witnesses who must be heard. These are witnesses pointing to criminal origins of the Russia-collusion probe. If a leader at the FBI, CIA, DNI, National Security Council, or Obama White House abused the statutory FISA process, conducted illegal surveillance on the Trump campaign, released presidential call transcripts, or was involved in illegal leaks, this kicks the legs out from under an obstruction article of impeachment.
Put differently, these witnesses may vindicate the president. The object of an honest impeachment inquiry is truth, not an orchestrated or preordained guilty finding. Impeachment is a serious, bipartisan, constitutional process, not an adolescent “gotcha” game.
All this returns us to a basic problem. The impeachment investigation seems to be off the rails – in a phrase, illegitimate. The only way to restore legitimacy is open hearings with these four sets of material witnesses. There is no other way to finding the truth.
If House Democrats refuse to hear from them, we know all we need to know. In that case, the impeachment inquiry is pure politics. The castle is out of bounds, keyhole all we get. In that case, impeachment is just a fraud; it never was about the truth.
I'll let the folks chew on thst....much, much more to come!
