Making my case

[Ice29]

Sometimes people have to be protected from themselves

Sometimes people need to fall flat on their face. Not the place of government to coddle them.

And when people fall flat on their face, society does too.

Lies.

If you think its a lie, go see how people are living in Atlantic City, and compare it to the rest of the country.
And check out the difference in income between Boston, and Las Vegas.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ah, yes, how's that big government working in Venezuela?
They don't need to outlaw gambling, they can't even buy toilet paper.
Yup, no small government making a mess there. Durr.

The fair question is how well it has done in America in the 1990s and the 40s and 1950s, and in Europe since the end of world war 2... and Australia and New Zealand and Canada.
The fact is its working out great.

However at no time have the people who live and work in casino towns, nor have gamblers been doing well because its an unsustainable business.

It's done well enough without giving the government power over all the money.
Sorry you hate gambling, don't do it.

And it would do even better if activities that are nothing but a trash can for the money earned by hard workers, were banned.

The games themselves isn't the issue.
The money that people work for, and charge for goods and services, that can't be paid because it is in a trash can, is the problem.

Freedom means people are free to do things that you think are stupid.

And people in America don't have Economic freedom, we have laws created by the Government for an economy, so your argument is a strawman.

Being stupid with yourself and being that with our economy are two different animals.

Outlawing gambling because you don't like it is a far cry from claiming the government has total power over all my money because an FRN is a "government document".

Even for a liberal that's an exceedingly stupid argument.

 

[Ice29]

The fair question is how well it has done in America in the 1990s and the 40s and 1950s, and in Europe since the end of world war 2... and Australia and New Zealand and Canada.
The fact is its working out great.

However at no time have the people who live and work in casino towns, nor have gamblers been doing well because its an unsustainable business.

It's done well enough without giving the government power over all the money.
Sorry you hate gambling, don't do it.

And it would do even better if activities that are nothing but a trash can for the money earned by hard workers, were banned.

The games themselves isn't the issue.
The money that people work for, and charge for goods and services, that can't be paid because it is in a trash can, is the problem.

Freedom means people are free to do things that you think are stupid.

And people in America don't have Economic freedom, we have laws created by the Government for an economy, so your argument is a strawman.

Being stupid with yourself and being that with our economy are two different animals.

Outlawing gambling because you don't like it is a far cry from claiming the government has total power over all my money because an FRN is a "government document".

Even for a liberal that's an exceedingly stupid argument.

Its not about my like or dislike for it.
Its about the proven economic failure of a seesaw economy that cant be balanced between the business and the customers, and that is based on throwing money completely away.

states have banned payday loans based on these very same arguments, time for it to ban another, much bigger trash can business like Casinos.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It's done well enough without giving the government power over all the money.
Sorry you hate gambling, don't do it.

And it would do even better if activities that are nothing but a trash can for the money earned by hard workers, were banned.

The games themselves isn't the issue.
The money that people work for, and charge for goods and services, that can't be paid because it is in a trash can, is the problem.

Freedom means people are free to do things that you think are stupid.

And people in America don't have Economic freedom, we have laws created by the Government for an economy, so your argument is a strawman.

Being stupid with yourself and being that with our economy are two different animals.

Outlawing gambling because you don't like it is a far cry from claiming the government has total power over all my money because an FRN is a "government document".

Even for a liberal that's an exceedingly stupid argument.

Its not about my like or dislike for it.
Its about the proven economic failure of a seesaw economy that cant be balanced between the business and the customers, and that is based on throwing money completely away.

If we outlawed all proven economic failure, Bernie Sanders would be serving a life sentence and government spending would be a fraction of what it is today.

 

[Ice29]

And it would do even better if activities that are nothing but a trash can for the money earned by hard workers, were banned.

The games themselves isn't the issue.
The money that people work for, and charge for goods and services, that can't be paid because it is in a trash can, is the problem.

Freedom means people are free to do things that you think are stupid.

And people in America don't have Economic freedom, we have laws created by the Government for an economy, so your argument is a strawman.

Being stupid with yourself and being that with our economy are two different animals.

Outlawing gambling because you don't like it is a far cry from claiming the government has total power over all my money because an FRN is a "government document".

Even for a liberal that's an exceedingly stupid argument.

Its not about my like or dislike for it.
Its about the proven economic failure of a seesaw economy that cant be balanced between the business and the customers, and that is based on throwing money completely away.

If we outlawed all proven economic failure, Bernie Sanders would be serving a life sentence and government spending would be a fraction of what it is today.

Government spending is only a failure if taxes are not being collected to pay for it, which is exactly the way the GOP does things.

 

[SmokeALib]

Freedom means people are free to do things that you think are stupid.

And people in America don't have Economic freedom, we have laws created by the Government for an economy, so your argument is a strawman.

Being stupid with yourself and being that with our economy are two different animals.

Outlawing gambling because you don't like it is a far cry from claiming the government has total power over all my money because an FRN is a "government document".

Even for a liberal that's an exceedingly stupid argument.

Its not about my like or dislike for it.
Its about the proven economic failure of a seesaw economy that cant be balanced between the business and the customers, and that is based on throwing money completely away.

If we outlawed all proven economic failure, Bernie Sanders would be serving a life sentence and government spending would be a fraction of what it is today.

Government spending is only a failure if taxes are not being collected to pay for it, which is exactly the way the GOP does things.

Bullshit. More lies. You are one brainwashed, stupid sunbich. Go away traitor.

 

[Ice29]

And people in America don't have Economic freedom, we have laws created by the Government for an economy, so your argument is a strawman.

Being stupid with yourself and being that with our economy are two different animals.

Outlawing gambling because you don't like it is a far cry from claiming the government has total power over all my money because an FRN is a "government document".

Even for a liberal that's an exceedingly stupid argument.

Its not about my like or dislike for it.
Its about the proven economic failure of a seesaw economy that cant be balanced between the business and the customers, and that is based on throwing money completely away.

If we outlawed all proven economic failure, Bernie Sanders would be serving a life sentence and government spending would be a fraction of what it is today.

Government spending is only a failure if taxes are not being collected to pay for it, which is exactly the way the GOP does things.

Bullshit. More lies. You are one brainwashed, stupid sunbich. Go away traitor.

No wonder Boston, Hartford and New York, and their suburbs are better places economically, than the south right ?
lol

 

[OKTexas]

I disapprove of gambling myself, but it's not the government's place, or yours, to tell people what to do with their money. If they wanna blow it all on slots, let them.

Yes it the governments job to tell people what they can and cant do with a Government document, which money is.
And why should the government let people blow it on slots and not be able to support the economy ?

I think you need to take a peek at your money, it's a Federal Reserve Note. Here's a new flash for ya child, the Federal Reserve is neither Federal or a Reserve. It's a privately held bank.

 

[OKTexas]

Yes it the governments job to tell people what they can and cant do with a Government document, which money is.

Actually not. So long as I'm not breaking any laws, I can spend my money how I please. If it's to gamble it all away at a casino, that's my business, not yours..

and the government makes the laws, and it can and should make a new law banning it.

This isn't about what IS, but what it SHOULD be doing.

Here's another news flash for ya child, people were gambling and going broke long before casinos and will continue to do so if they're banned. More people have gone bust betting on sports than in casinos, I think it's time you joined the real world.

 

[OKTexas]

I disapprove of gambling myself, but it's not the government's place, or yours, to tell people what to do with their money. If they wanna blow it all on slots, let them.

Yes it the governments job to tell people what they can and cant do with a Government document, which money is.
And why should the government let people blow it on slots and not be able to support the economy ?

Yes it the governments job to tell people what they can and cant do with a Government document, which money is

Nope. My money is my money, not the government's.

Its not your money unless it says Toddsterpatriot's Dollar.

The government makes FRNs legal tender and so has complete control over them? LOL!

Sorry, no Constitutional justification for your fantasy.

My money, so fuck off, thank you very much.

The Constitution gives the Government the right to Regulate currency and Commerce.
So you fuck off, since you want to use that language.

Is a wager really commerce, there's no goods and services exchanged, and it's definitely not interstate if you're sitting at a card table or slot machine.

 

[OKTexas]

There are many, many, paths to self-destruction.
Should the government outlaw investing in the stock market? Certainly that is gambling.
Should the government outlaw alcohol? Surely that has led to addictive types destroying their lives.
Cash flow does not ruin the economy. People gamble which in turn pays salaries, which in turn flows to other businesses through purchases of goods and services.
The government is not in the business of legislating your definition of good family recreation. If you don't want to gamble, don't do it.
Just to be clear, I am not a gambler, at least by your definition.

Giving up your money and not getting it back, and not buying anything physical with ruins the economy.

Right, tell that to all the people working there.

 

[OKTexas]

btw, yes the Government should outlaw investing in the stock market.
It creates an environment where the incentive is to pay the stockholders who want more money, and not the labor that has themselves and /or their families to support.

You're joking, right? I thought you were worried about the economy and now you want to completely destroy it by making it illegal to invest in America's businesses? You're out of your depth my friend

Investing in America's businesses = buying things.
Robbing the Public = Taking unearned money from businesses, instead of paying the workers.

I guess you think business start themselves and there's no costs involved. Never ran a business have you? Have you ever signed the front side of a paycheck?

 

[TemplarKormac]

I also love how every time there is a big government to make things work, things do work, and every time conholes with their "small government" allows people to make a mess, things become a mess.
lol

Ah, yes, how's that big government working in Venezuela?
They don't need to outlaw gambling, they can't even buy toilet paper.
Yup, no small government making a mess there. Durr.

The fair question is how well it has done in America in the 1990s and the 40s and 1950s, and in Europe since the end of world war 2... and Australia and New Zealand and Canada.
The fact is its working out great.

However at no time have the people who live and work in casino towns, nor have gamblers been doing well because its an unsustainable business.

It's done well enough without giving the government power over all the money.
Sorry you hate gambling, don't do it.

And it would do even better if activities that are nothing but a trash can for the money earned by hard workers, were banned.

The games themselves isn't the issue.
The money that people work for, and charge for goods and services, that can't be paid because it is in a trash can, is the problem.

Freedom means people are free to do things that you think are stupid.

 

[OKTexas]

It's done well enough without giving the government power over all the money.
Sorry you hate gambling, don't do it.

And it would do even better if activities that are nothing but a trash can for the money earned by hard workers, were banned.

The games themselves isn't the issue.
The money that people work for, and charge for goods and services, that can't be paid because it is in a trash can, is the problem.

Freedom means people are free to do things that you think are stupid.

And people in America don't have Economic freedom, we have laws created by the Government for an economy, so your argument is a strawman.

Being stupid with yourself and being that with our economy are two different animals.

Outlawing gambling because you don't like it is a far cry from claiming the government has total power over all my money because an FRN is a "government document".

Even for a liberal that's an exceedingly stupid argument.

Its not about my like or dislike for it.
Its about the proven economic failure of a seesaw economy that cant be balanced between the business and the customers, and that is based on throwing money completely away.

states have banned payday loans based on these very same arguments, time for it to ban another, much bigger trash can business like Casinos.

Here's a thought, how about you quit going to grocery stores, most everything you buy there winds up in the sewer or the trash. Just think of all the other bills you could pay and goodies you could buy to help the economy.

 

[TemplarKormac]

And people in America don't have Economic freedom

That's news to me.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Sometimes people have to be protected from themselves

Sometimes people need to fall flat on their face. Not the place of government to coddle them.

And when people fall flat on their face, society does too.

Lies.

If you think its a lie, go see how people are living in Atlantic City, and compare it to the rest of the country.
And check out the difference in income between Boston, and Las Vegas.

Ice. Let's be serious here. What if I, the government, chose to take your money and told you how to spend it? Perhaps, say, the money in your pocket. Or that paycheck you just cashed at the bank. How well would you take it? Would you still be singing the same tune?

You talk about Americans having no true "economic freedom" but what you're suggesting the government do is essentially that, restrict the economic freedom of the citizenry. That's not your place. Nor the government's. Your goals are admirable, but misguided. It's not your (or the government's) place to act as everyone else's conscience.

Now, I have a whole pallet of Twinkies calling my name, and I have just enough money to buy them. All.

Good day.

 

[ScienceRocks]

You use the roads, right?
You pay for the police that keep our society stable, right?
Millions of kids get public education, right?
America's leadership in science is mostly public...

Now stfu...Damn loserterian two faced idiots.

 

[Ice29]

Sometimes people have to be protected from themselves

Sometimes people need to fall flat on their face. Not the place of government to coddle them.

And when people fall flat on their face, society does too.

Lies.

If you think its a lie, go see how people are living in Atlantic City, and compare it to the rest of the country.
And check out the difference in income between Boston, and Las Vegas.

Ice. Let's be serious here. What if I, the government, chose to take your money and told you how to spend it? Perhaps, say, the money in your pocket. Or that paycheck you just cashed at the bank. How well would you take it? Would you still be singing the same tune?

You talk about Americans having no true "economic freedom" but what you're suggesting the government do is essentially that, restrict the economic freedom of the citizenry. That's not your place. Nor the government's. Your goals are admirable, but misguided. It's not your (or the government's) place to act as everyone else's conscience.

Now, I have a whole pallet of Twinkies calling my name, and I have just enough money to buy them. All.

Good day.

The government already restricts economic legal abilities.
Yes the government's job is to decide what is legal and what isn't.

 

[TemplarKormac]

The government already restricts economic legal abilties

Oh? And when have they stopped you from going to the grocery store to buy groceries?

 

[Ice29]

The government already restricts economic legal abilties

Oh? And when have they stopped you from buying groceries?

They don't allow grocery stores to take the groceries out of my cart, take my money, scrape it down into a black hole, put the Groceries back on the shelf, and say you lose, you don't need to eat this month, come back again, we'll do it again.

They also don't allow Grocers to sell outdated, improperly stored, uninformatively labeled junk, nor do they allow grocers to maintain standards that are lower than the Government's standards.

I also need to eat... I don't need to throw away my money.

And the Gambler's kids need to eat too, IF not himself, and the bills need to be paid far more than what he needs a 1 in a 999 Novemdecillion chance of beating the casino.