Manafort to do hard time....in Club Fed

[Rustic]

This one really is that bad. No fences, no bars, nothing. They can come and go as they please. It's known as a minimum security camp.

The Maryland 'Club Fed' prison where Paul Manafort will serve four-year tax fraud sentence | Daily Mail Online

There are no bars, towers, locks on rooms or barbed wire fences. The facility has been described as 'peaceful' by former inmates who say there's never more than 500 people locked up at once, and sometimes the number is several hundred less than that.

I worked at a minimum security prison for awhile. Same deal--dormitory type housing, no towers or locks on rooms, there was a fence from when it had been a medium security facility, but the gate was always wide open. Inmates were all over the yard doing their jobs or going from place to place.

There are guards watching that gate from their cameras and sometimes their windows. If a prisoner "walks off," (that's called an escape, folks) they will be transferred to a higher security facility and also receive several more years on their sentence. It may sound like a hotel, but it's not. Life is regimented, phone calls and mail are monitored, visits are carefully controlled. Most likely the food sucks. And the worse part is, your freedom is taken away. No deciding to spend the day lazing around watching Game of Thrones. Or taking a jaunt to your favorite restaurant on your birthday. Or just running to the store for a six pack before the football game or calling and inviting your grandkids over for the afternoon. None of that. Your freedom is gone. The medical care is feeble and if you are on meds, even aspirin, you need to wait in line at the clinic at set times to have the nurse insert in your mouth and watch you swallow.

He's got four years of it coming. The guy screwed over the IRS for years; he did it intentionally and he deserves it, I don't feel sorry for him. But not a single one of us would want to be in his shoes.

The correctional officers at the prison where I worked always told me, they weren't there to punish the inmates. The courts had done that by taking their freedom. So classes and the ability to occasionally see family (notice there is only room for 16 family members on any given weekend and there are hundreds of inmates--so it's not like they're seeing them often) aren't a big deal. We don't throw prisoners into dungeons anymore and force them to live on bread and water.

IRS should be abolished

'kay, Rustic. You going to pay my neighbor's social security and Medicare?

Lol
Socialist entitlement programs are dying on the vine, As they should

 

[initforme]

Get rid of social security and Medicare this nation goes into chaos it has never seen.

 

[Rustic]

Get rid of social security and Medicare this nation goes into chaos it has never seen.

Basically it should be voluntary, it does not require everybody’s participation

 

[airplanemechanic]

Manafort should be pardoned. Hillary should be in jail.

PARDONED? Are you serious? Yeah, by all means, let Trump pardon Manafort and give the House one more example of abuse of power.

Um, its not considered an "abuse of power" for a president to exercise a constitutionally given right.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Um, its not considered an "abuse of power" for a president to exercise a constitutionally given right.

Of course, it can be considered that, if done for the wrong reasons.

 

[Crepitus]

.....he lied/cheated on his taxes [ like who hasn't??!! ]/lied for a loan [ who hasn't done that??!! ]
...etc
not very serious

Should we be having a look at your taxes and loan applications then?

 

[harmonica]

.....he lied/cheated on his taxes [ like who hasn't??!! ]/lied for a loan [ who hasn't done that??!! ]
...etc
not very serious

Should we be having a look at your taxes and loan applications then?

falsely reporting a crime undeniably more serious

 

[Crepitus]

.....he lied/cheated on his taxes [ like who hasn't??!! ]/lied for a loan [ who hasn't done that??!! ]
...etc
not very serious

Should we be having a look at your taxes and loan applications then?

falsely reporting a crime undeniably more serious

You implied that in your opinion every does it. Aren't you part of everyone!

 

[airplanemechanic]

Um, its not considered an "abuse of power" for a president to exercise a constitutionally given right.

Of course, it can be considered that, if done for the wrong reasons.

Um, no. He can pardon anyone he wants to for any reason or no reason at all.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Um, no. He can pardon anyone he wants to for any reason or no reason at all

It could be considered abuse of power, if done for the wrong reasons. You're not going to put words in just the right order to make that not so.

Just as his firing of comey can be considered part and parcel of obstruction of justice.

 

[harmonica]

.....he lied/cheated on his taxes [ like who hasn't??!! ]/lied for a loan [ who hasn't done that??!! ]
...etc
not very serious

Should we be having a look at your taxes and loan applications then?

falsely reporting a crime undeniably more serious

You implied that in your opinion every does it. Aren't you part of everyone!

stop with the stupid shit
yes I've LIED!! OMG
politicians do it EVERY day--every time they open their mouth

 

[Crepitus]

.....he lied/cheated on his taxes [ like who hasn't??!! ]/lied for a loan [ who hasn't done that??!! ]
...etc
not very serious

Should we be having a look at your taxes and loan applications then?

falsely reporting a crime undeniably more serious

You implied that in your opinion every does it. Aren't you part of everyone!

stop with the stupid shit
yes I've LIED!! OMG
politicians do it EVERY day--every time they open their mouth

So, then you have committed the crime and I'm not falsely accusing you.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Um, no. He can pardon anyone he wants to for any reason or no reason at all

It could be considered abuse of power, if done for the wrong reasons. You're not going to put words in just the right order to make that not so.

Just as his firing of comey can be considered part and parcel of obstruction of justice.

Please state the law that says that the president can only pardon people for certain reasons.

To use your words, you can't put words in to make that not so.

 

[aaronleland]

I used to work with these chicks from a halfway house who were in "prison" with Martha Stewart. They said it was like summer camp. They were always complaining that the halfway house was more like being locked up. White collar "prisons" are a joke.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Please state the law that says that the president can only pardon people for certain reasons.

Not how it works. Congress can simply decide he has abused his power and then limit that abuse and even I peach him. So, when you say the president can do anything within his powers without consequences of force, you are simply not correct. The circumstances of these actions would, themselves, be entered as evidence.

Just as it is perfectly to legal for you to deposit $9999 in your bank account each day for 30 days in a row, yet these actions may be used against you as evidence of money laundering, with these actions representing the "structuring" phase.

Similarly, the presidents firing of comey can be used against him in a broader case of obstruction of justice. It's not the action that is the evidence, but the intent.