Manufactured Racism by Blacks

[JQPublic1]

What you get from that stat and what numerous studies have shown are at odds. You seem to think blacks are arrested more because they commit more crime...studies show that whites are committing more crime but get away with it more often or they get slapped on the wrist.

That's just an excuse. In fact I saw a report yesterday that debunked the claim that blacks are only getting arrested and put in jail more because they're being targetted.

You guys are not being intellectually honest now. Not with us or yourselves.

I agree blacks are sentenced more harshly so that might account for something but the truth is that 12% of our population (blacks) are committing more than their fair share of crime.

Don’t say “us” as if you were speaking for white Americans. You aren’t.

You aren't white. Or is that an ancient chinese secret?

And again, you've contributed nothing to this thread.

Millions of "nordic" stock Americans would not classify a Jew like YOU as white, regardless of your self styled identity as being White. They hate you almost as much as they hate Blacks.

I'm Greek not Jewish. And I agree the KKK would not welcome me to their parties.

If I remember correctly you posted a picture of yourself sporting an AFRO! Are you a descendent of Hannibal?

 

[sealybobo]

That's just an excuse. In fact I saw a report yesterday that debunked the claim that blacks are only getting arrested and put in jail more because they're being targetted.

You guys are not being intellectually honest now. Not with us or yourselves.

I agree blacks are sentenced more harshly so that might account for something but the truth is that 12% of our population (blacks) are committing more than their fair share of crime.

Don’t say “us” as if you were speaking for white Americans. You aren’t.

You aren't white. .....

?????

Pretty sure I am.

Why don't you write us an Analect about how white you are. LOL

Im sure you know all too well that skin color , head shape and nostril shape doesn't guarantee whiteness. The Ashkenazi Jews are still not fully recognized as being "White" in America...and there is a sizable element of detractors focused on that aspect of the Jewish experience.

Remember that Trump supporter who went to that White Nationalist rally? Remember what he said?

• Christopher Cantwell says he hopes somebody 'more racist' and 'capable' than the president will come along to help him spread his racist message

• 'Somebody like Donald Trump, who does not give his daughter to a Jew,' he said

• 'I don't think you could feel the way I do about race, and watch that Kushner bastard walk around with that beautiful girl,' he said

Read more: Rally organizer: 'President let a Jew steal his daughter' | Daily Mail Online
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[sealybobo]

That's just an excuse. In fact I saw a report yesterday that debunked the claim that blacks are only getting arrested and put in jail more because they're being targetted.

You guys are not being intellectually honest now. Not with us or yourselves.

I agree blacks are sentenced more harshly so that might account for something but the truth is that 12% of our population (blacks) are committing more than their fair share of crime.

Don’t say “us” as if you were speaking for white Americans. You aren’t.

You aren't white. Or is that an ancient chinese secret?

And again, you've contributed nothing to this thread.

Millions of "nordic" stock Americans would not classify a Jew like YOU as white, regardless of your self styled identity as being White. They hate you almost as much as they hate Blacks.

I'm Greek not Jewish. And I agree the KKK would not welcome me to their parties.

If I remember correctly you posted a picture of yourself sporting an AFRO! Are you a descendent of Hannibal?

I never posted a pic of myself here. Not a real one anyways.

 

[harmonica]

Whites have been the most technically advanced and industrially powerful. That gives their actions more weight.
They are not more violent, just more capable.
That you judge them by their skin color and not their technology and industry, is because you are racist.

So are white people are superior then ?

in the 1800s-1950s, they were/are superior at industrialization/farming/ship building/transportation/technology
some African countries did not even have an alphabet which really puts you way behind--since scientific/manufacturing/etc cannot progress nearly as fast
Africa is superior in starvation/illiteracy/poverty/etc--I've linked this many times
facts

 

[harmonica]

assume all you want
I have proven my points...you have not proved your point--which I guess is whites are more violent
I'm waiting

You have not answered my question as to whether whites are more violent.

See when I talk it's easy to understand

I'm saying white Euros have been the most violent and murderous race ever to walk this earth

That's how I talk. Very clear. Very to the point. You should take notes

But then when you guys admit that the black community is more violent and dangerous than our white communities are then you blame it on white people for cutting your people off from economic opportunity. I don't disagree with that but you first have to decide, are your communities more dangerous than ours? I talk to blacks who moved out of Detroit and they will admit that the neighborhood they moved away from is far more dangerous than where they live now. My one buddy has a sweet classic car. Keeps it in his driveway out here but in Detroit he had to keep it in storage because it would have gotten stolen.

And insurance companies charge Detroiters a lot more for car insurance than they do us because the likelihood of your car getting stolen in Detroit are much greater than here in the burbs. This isn't made up stories. These are facts. Can you explain why you guys sometimes argue that you are not more violent/criminal but then other times when you admit you are you say it's because of white oppression. I'll accept the second excuse but not the flat out denial that your communities are more dangerous. That's just ridiculous. You're taking 1 million whites and comparing them to 100,000 blacks and saying because we have more crime we are more dangerous? Do you completely ignore per capita?

I live near a city called Novi, MI. It's a suburb of Detroit. Metro Detroit. No comparison that Novi is a much safer place to be than Detroit, Saginaw or Flint. In fact you can't tell me a white city in Michigan that even comes close to being as dangerous as Detroit, Saginaw and Flint.

No we don't admit that our communities are more violent and dangerous than white ones. What we do unlike you whites is admit that there is violence. Detroit is not the only city in America sealybobo and when we talk about overall crime, we are tlaking about America. I lived in Kansas City and saw whites in cars with county tags from rich white suburbs bringing in drugs to the black community that got sold there. I have never heard such double talk from blacks ever and I am a 56 year old black man. I have head whites say what you do all the time. So understand this, if someone wants to steal your buddie sweet classic car, they will steal it by leaving Detroit and going to the burbs to take it because you guys live in the lie that you have no crime in your communities so you do not pride the security needed. Your neighborhoods are easy pickings for inner city criminals. I say this because this is what I have been told.

In fact one of my best friends was dating a white mother of 2 who lived in Johnson County KS, one of the wealthiest suburbs in America and he saw that there were WHITE kids there getting in son much trouble with the law that he stared a high school rugby team. So let 's not come here with your double talk. I have been all over this nation either working on issues or attending seminars and conventions pertaining to things black people deal with. Not once do they say their neighborhoods are less safe than white ones. Stop telling that lie. What we do say is we must reduce the crime that happens and the crime that does happen is often because these communities do not get the funding needed when they ask for the resources needed to stop or redice the crime.

Yes I ignore per capita. Because 100,000 backs or 1 million whites are all not responsible for all the crime. You can only assess the crime by the types of crimes and those who actually commit the crime and not whole populations of people. If you have 10,000 burglaries and whites commit 8,000 of them you cannot put all 8,000 on the entire white populations. What you can do is say that there were 10,000 burglaries and 8.000 were committed by whites so whites committed the most burglaries. And that's what's being said here. that per capita bullshit is racist garbage. No different from drapetomania and every other dumb as white attempt to say they are better. Whites commit more crimes. Or more accurately stated, there are more whites committing crimes.

So how safe are you really in he suburbs? If your house is broken in which results in property being stolen does that make you safer than a community that has less break ins but shootings instead? How about the reality that you might have more drunk and impaired drivers using vehicles in the suburbs who can hit a child or run you over or cause an accident instead of a shooting. Does that make your neighborhood safer? How about if you have more domestic and violence against family in the suburbs instead of shootings. Does that make your community more safe? So is our neighborhood actually safer when you can get assaulted at the suburban mall? What whites like you have done is frame the argument in terms of one crime. Therefore the entire argument by whites here is based a false premise and has no merit.

In 2014 whites made up 72.3 percent of all arrests in METROPOLITAN counties nationwide. Blacks, 25.4. In Metropolitan counties throughout this nation whites were arrested 2.84 times. Or 3 times as much as blacks in this nation. They were arrested for 57.6 percent of all murders in METROPOLTIAN areas of the United States. Blacks 39.9.

ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-55

In NON METROPOLITAN counties in this country whites made up 83.7 percent of all arrests. Blacks 13.4 percent. Here is where the white argument of racial proportion dies on its face. Yes, the reason why more whites are arrested in non-metropolitan areas is that they are a majority of the population. Yet the number of arrests in these areas far out pace the overall white population. If we are to go with the racist assumption then the higher the number of whites, then the crime rate should reduce itself. But it doesn’t. It goes up.

ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-61

#2. Here in Metro Detroit we do not have a crime problem. We do not get together and say we need to deal with the crime here because it's getting bad. But they are/do say that in Detroit. So I don't know what world you live in but I hear good people in Detroit all the time say it's crazy there and something has to be done. You're lying to yourself bro.

I am not lying to myself. I stated that blacks admit to the fact there is crime. Again, you do realize that you are talking to a black man don't you?

Detroit’s Bankruptcy Reflects a History of Racism

Detroits problems are a direct result of racism. And again, Detroit is not the only city in America and when we talk about crime we are talking about crime totals in America not just murder. SO you nee dot understand something, I grew up in a bac community in a town of 50,000 We had far less crime than the white community. In my whole life there, I saw one shooting and it was because some white dude ran up on blacks talking racial shit in 1970. Butt here are still several unsolved white murders in this town and there are blacks who were killed in strange circumstances and it is known that the crime was committed by whites. Overall the crime rate in the white community in this town is maybe 5-10 times higher than that of the black community. There are places in this town blacks do not go. Because their lives may end. So when you talk realize that Detroit is not the only place on earth. I've been there an felt safe. I had a friend who went there to visit his daughter who fell asleep I the hood in a brand new car, woke up in the morning and drove off without harm.

There are over 700,000 blacks who live in Detroit. Last year there were 305 murders. That's less than 1/10 of one percent of the population. Now that doesn't mean nothing should be done, but what is does mean is whites such as you are overblowing the issue in order to claim supremacy. It is because of this belief than in a small town such as this one blacks are harassed and stopped at 7 times the rate of whites for supposed marijuana checks even though the rate of mj use is exactly the same. So somehow this bullshit belief you carry must be eliminated and therefore that is what I am doing.
Yu don't.

black murder at a much, MUCH higher rate than whites--this CAN"T be denied/twisted/turned/etc
they are arrested at twice the rate of whites for crime
Table 43

 

[francoHFW]

You have not answered my question as to whether whites are more violent.

See when I talk it's easy to understand

I'm saying white Euros have been the most violent and murderous race ever to walk this earth

That's how I talk. Very clear. Very to the point. You should take notes

But then when you guys admit that the black community is more violent and dangerous than our white communities are then you blame it on white people for cutting your people off from economic opportunity. I don't disagree with that but you first have to decide, are your communities more dangerous than ours? I talk to blacks who moved out of Detroit and they will admit that the neighborhood they moved away from is far more dangerous than where they live now. My one buddy has a sweet classic car. Keeps it in his driveway out here but in Detroit he had to keep it in storage because it would have gotten stolen.

And insurance companies charge Detroiters a lot more for car insurance than they do us because the likelihood of your car getting stolen in Detroit are much greater than here in the burbs. This isn't made up stories. These are facts. Can you explain why you guys sometimes argue that you are not more violent/criminal but then other times when you admit you are you say it's because of white oppression. I'll accept the second excuse but not the flat out denial that your communities are more dangerous. That's just ridiculous. You're taking 1 million whites and comparing them to 100,000 blacks and saying because we have more crime we are more dangerous? Do you completely ignore per capita?

I live near a city called Novi, MI. It's a suburb of Detroit. Metro Detroit. No comparison that Novi is a much safer place to be than Detroit, Saginaw or Flint. In fact you can't tell me a white city in Michigan that even comes close to being as dangerous as Detroit, Saginaw and Flint.

No we don't admit that our communities are more violent and dangerous than white ones. What we do unlike you whites is admit that there is violence. Detroit is not the only city in America sealybobo and when we talk about overall crime, we are tlaking about America. I lived in Kansas City and saw whites in cars with county tags from rich white suburbs bringing in drugs to the black community that got sold there. I have never heard such double talk from blacks ever and I am a 56 year old black man. I have head whites say what you do all the time. So understand this, if someone wants to steal your buddie sweet classic car, they will steal it by leaving Detroit and going to the burbs to take it because you guys live in the lie that you have no crime in your communities so you do not pride the security needed. Your neighborhoods are easy pickings for inner city criminals. I say this because this is what I have been told.

In fact one of my best friends was dating a white mother of 2 who lived in Johnson County KS, one of the wealthiest suburbs in America and he saw that there were WHITE kids there getting in son much trouble with the law that he stared a high school rugby team. So let 's not come here with your double talk. I have been all over this nation either working on issues or attending seminars and conventions pertaining to things black people deal with. Not once do they say their neighborhoods are less safe than white ones. Stop telling that lie. What we do say is we must reduce the crime that happens and the crime that does happen is often because these communities do not get the funding needed when they ask for the resources needed to stop or redice the crime.

Yes I ignore per capita. Because 100,000 backs or 1 million whites are all not responsible for all the crime. You can only assess the crime by the types of crimes and those who actually commit the crime and not whole populations of people. If you have 10,000 burglaries and whites commit 8,000 of them you cannot put all 8,000 on the entire white populations. What you can do is say that there were 10,000 burglaries and 8.000 were committed by whites so whites committed the most burglaries. And that's what's being said here. that per capita bullshit is racist garbage. No different from drapetomania and every other dumb as white attempt to say they are better. Whites commit more crimes. Or more accurately stated, there are more whites committing crimes.

So how safe are you really in he suburbs? If your house is broken in which results in property being stolen does that make you safer than a community that has less break ins but shootings instead? How about the reality that you might have more drunk and impaired drivers using vehicles in the suburbs who can hit a child or run you over or cause an accident instead of a shooting. Does that make your neighborhood safer? How about if you have more domestic and violence against family in the suburbs instead of shootings. Does that make your community more safe? So is our neighborhood actually safer when you can get assaulted at the suburban mall? What whites like you have done is frame the argument in terms of one crime. Therefore the entire argument by whites here is based a false premise and has no merit.

In 2014 whites made up 72.3 percent of all arrests in METROPOLITAN counties nationwide. Blacks, 25.4. In Metropolitan counties throughout this nation whites were arrested 2.84 times. Or 3 times as much as blacks in this nation. They were arrested for 57.6 percent of all murders in METROPOLTIAN areas of the United States. Blacks 39.9.

ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-55

In NON METROPOLITAN counties in this country whites made up 83.7 percent of all arrests. Blacks 13.4 percent. Here is where the white argument of racial proportion dies on its face. Yes, the reason why more whites are arrested in non-metropolitan areas is that they are a majority of the population. Yet the number of arrests in these areas far out pace the overall white population. If we are to go with the racist assumption then the higher the number of whites, then the crime rate should reduce itself. But it doesn’t. It goes up.

ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-61

#2. Here in Metro Detroit we do not have a crime problem. We do not get together and say we need to deal with the crime here because it's getting bad. But they are/do say that in Detroit. So I don't know what world you live in but I hear good people in Detroit all the time say it's crazy there and something has to be done. You're lying to yourself bro.

I am not lying to myself. I stated that blacks admit to the fact there is crime. Again, you do realize that you are talking to a black man don't you?

Detroit’s Bankruptcy Reflects a History of Racism

Detroits problems are a direct result of racism. And again, Detroit is not the only city in America and when we talk about crime we are talking about crime totals in America not just murder. SO you nee dot understand something, I grew up in a bac community in a town of 50,000 We had far less crime than the white community. In my whole life there, I saw one shooting and it was because some white dude ran up on blacks talking racial shit in 1970. Butt here are still several unsolved white murders in this town and there are blacks who were killed in strange circumstances and it is known that the crime was committed by whites. Overall the crime rate in the white community in this town is maybe 5-10 times higher than that of the black community. There are places in this town blacks do not go. Because their lives may end. So when you talk realize that Detroit is not the only place on earth. I've been there an felt safe. I had a friend who went there to visit his daughter who fell asleep I the hood in a brand new car, woke up in the morning and drove off without harm.

There are over 700,000 blacks who live in Detroit. Last year there were 305 murders. That's less than 1/10 of one percent of the population. Now that doesn't mean nothing should be done, but what is does mean is whites such as you are overblowing the issue in order to claim supremacy. It is because of this belief than in a small town such as this one blacks are harassed and stopped at 7 times the rate of whites for supposed marijuana checks even though the rate of mj use is exactly the same. So somehow this bullshit belief you carry must be eliminated and therefore that is what I am doing.
Yu don't.

black murder at a much, MUCH higher rate than whites--this CAN"T be denied/twisted/turned/etc
they are arrested at twice the rate of whites for crime
Table 43

But their poverty rate is five times the size so actually they're quite civilized... Under the circumstances. Dingbat.

 

[francoHFW]

Whites have been the most technically advanced and industrially powerful. That gives their actions more weight.
They are not more violent, just more capable.
That you judge them by their skin color and not their technology and industry, is because you are racist.

So are white people are superior then ?

in the 1800s-1950s, they were/are superior at industrialization/farming/ship building/transportation/technology
some African countries did not even have an alphabet which really puts you way behind--since scientific/manufacturing/etc cannot progress nearly as fast
Africa is superior in starvation/illiteracy/poverty/etc--I've linked this many times
facts

Just like every other jungle Society... duh...

 

[RASTAMEN]

 

[sealybobo]

But then when you guys admit that the black community is more violent and dangerous than our white communities are then you blame it on white people for cutting your people off from economic opportunity. I don't disagree with that but you first have to decide, are your communities more dangerous than ours? I talk to blacks who moved out of Detroit and they will admit that the neighborhood they moved away from is far more dangerous than where they live now. My one buddy has a sweet classic car. Keeps it in his driveway out here but in Detroit he had to keep it in storage because it would have gotten stolen.

And insurance companies charge Detroiters a lot more for car insurance than they do us because the likelihood of your car getting stolen in Detroit are much greater than here in the burbs. This isn't made up stories. These are facts. Can you explain why you guys sometimes argue that you are not more violent/criminal but then other times when you admit you are you say it's because of white oppression. I'll accept the second excuse but not the flat out denial that your communities are more dangerous. That's just ridiculous. You're taking 1 million whites and comparing them to 100,000 blacks and saying because we have more crime we are more dangerous? Do you completely ignore per capita?

I live near a city called Novi, MI. It's a suburb of Detroit. Metro Detroit. No comparison that Novi is a much safer place to be than Detroit, Saginaw or Flint. In fact you can't tell me a white city in Michigan that even comes close to being as dangerous as Detroit, Saginaw and Flint.

No we don't admit that our communities are more violent and dangerous than white ones. What we do unlike you whites is admit that there is violence. Detroit is not the only city in America sealybobo and when we talk about overall crime, we are tlaking about America. I lived in Kansas City and saw whites in cars with county tags from rich white suburbs bringing in drugs to the black community that got sold there. I have never heard such double talk from blacks ever and I am a 56 year old black man. I have head whites say what you do all the time. So understand this, if someone wants to steal your buddie sweet classic car, they will steal it by leaving Detroit and going to the burbs to take it because you guys live in the lie that you have no crime in your communities so you do not pride the security needed. Your neighborhoods are easy pickings for inner city criminals. I say this because this is what I have been told.

In fact one of my best friends was dating a white mother of 2 who lived in Johnson County KS, one of the wealthiest suburbs in America and he saw that there were WHITE kids there getting in son much trouble with the law that he stared a high school rugby team. So let 's not come here with your double talk. I have been all over this nation either working on issues or attending seminars and conventions pertaining to things black people deal with. Not once do they say their neighborhoods are less safe than white ones. Stop telling that lie. What we do say is we must reduce the crime that happens and the crime that does happen is often because these communities do not get the funding needed when they ask for the resources needed to stop or redice the crime.

Yes I ignore per capita. Because 100,000 backs or 1 million whites are all not responsible for all the crime. You can only assess the crime by the types of crimes and those who actually commit the crime and not whole populations of people. If you have 10,000 burglaries and whites commit 8,000 of them you cannot put all 8,000 on the entire white populations. What you can do is say that there were 10,000 burglaries and 8.000 were committed by whites so whites committed the most burglaries. And that's what's being said here. that per capita bullshit is racist garbage. No different from drapetomania and every other dumb as white attempt to say they are better. Whites commit more crimes. Or more accurately stated, there are more whites committing crimes.

So how safe are you really in he suburbs? If your house is broken in which results in property being stolen does that make you safer than a community that has less break ins but shootings instead? How about the reality that you might have more drunk and impaired drivers using vehicles in the suburbs who can hit a child or run you over or cause an accident instead of a shooting. Does that make your neighborhood safer? How about if you have more domestic and violence against family in the suburbs instead of shootings. Does that make your community more safe? So is our neighborhood actually safer when you can get assaulted at the suburban mall? What whites like you have done is frame the argument in terms of one crime. Therefore the entire argument by whites here is based a false premise and has no merit.

In 2014 whites made up 72.3 percent of all arrests in METROPOLITAN counties nationwide. Blacks, 25.4. In Metropolitan counties throughout this nation whites were arrested 2.84 times. Or 3 times as much as blacks in this nation. They were arrested for 57.6 percent of all murders in METROPOLTIAN areas of the United States. Blacks 39.9.

ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-55

In NON METROPOLITAN counties in this country whites made up 83.7 percent of all arrests. Blacks 13.4 percent. Here is where the white argument of racial proportion dies on its face. Yes, the reason why more whites are arrested in non-metropolitan areas is that they are a majority of the population. Yet the number of arrests in these areas far out pace the overall white population. If we are to go with the racist assumption then the higher the number of whites, then the crime rate should reduce itself. But it doesn’t. It goes up.

ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-61

#2. Here in Metro Detroit we do not have a crime problem. We do not get together and say we need to deal with the crime here because it's getting bad. But they are/do say that in Detroit. So I don't know what world you live in but I hear good people in Detroit all the time say it's crazy there and something has to be done. You're lying to yourself bro.

I am not lying to myself. I stated that blacks admit to the fact there is crime. Again, you do realize that you are talking to a black man don't you?

Detroit’s Bankruptcy Reflects a History of Racism

Detroits problems are a direct result of racism. And again, Detroit is not the only city in America and when we talk about crime we are talking about crime totals in America not just murder. SO you nee dot understand something, I grew up in a bac community in a town of 50,000 We had far less crime than the white community. In my whole life there, I saw one shooting and it was because some white dude ran up on blacks talking racial shit in 1970. Butt here are still several unsolved white murders in this town and there are blacks who were killed in strange circumstances and it is known that the crime was committed by whites. Overall the crime rate in the white community in this town is maybe 5-10 times higher than that of the black community. There are places in this town blacks do not go. Because their lives may end. So when you talk realize that Detroit is not the only place on earth. I've been there an felt safe. I had a friend who went there to visit his daughter who fell asleep I the hood in a brand new car, woke up in the morning and drove off without harm.

There are over 700,000 blacks who live in Detroit. Last year there were 305 murders. That's less than 1/10 of one percent of the population. Now that doesn't mean nothing should be done, but what is does mean is whites such as you are overblowing the issue in order to claim supremacy. It is because of this belief than in a small town such as this one blacks are harassed and stopped at 7 times the rate of whites for supposed marijuana checks even though the rate of mj use is exactly the same. So somehow this bullshit belief you carry must be eliminated and therefore that is what I am doing.
Yu don't.

black murder at a much, MUCH higher rate than whites--this CAN"T be denied/twisted/turned/etc
they are arrested at twice the rate of whites for crime
Table 43

But their poverty rate is five times the size so actually they're quite civilized... Under the circumstances. Dingbat.

Not arguing the reasons. Either it's true or it's not. Do they murder at a higher rate than whites?

And I still stand by my comment that one vegas or pulse night club shootings are skewing the numbers. Or sandy hook. That's 3 guys screwing up the numbers

 

[harmonica]

blacks commit murder at over seven times the rate of whites

No...in 2016 the non Hispanic white murder rate was 1.42 per 100K and the non Hispanic Black rate was 6.49 per 100K. Thats makes the black rate about 4.5 times that of the white rate, not 7 times.

OBVIOUSLY the blacks havea much bigger problem with murder

Murder is really not that much of a problem for blacks or whites. Murder affects far less than 1/2 of 1% of either the black or. white populations each year.

by denying this or trying to skip around it shows:
1. you don't want to discuss in a reasonable, sincere manner
2. you are not accepting facts
3. you are the hater/racist/bigot/etc

I've done more than merely accept the facts...I've shown how you've tried to twist facts to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

wow --I provide links/etc--but you do not
your source?
here---FBI --2015
...!!:
Expanded Homicide
53% of homocide offenders were black--that's 4 times the population of blacks --and I'm going higher using 13% as population of blacks--the rate is HIGHER--53% vs 13%
NOW--it's NOT --4.5 times higher than the white rate!!!!!!!!!!!!! --because the white rate is BELOW the white population rate at 44%
any way---you are saying with that rate, not 2 times--not 3 times--but 4.5 times the rate of whites--it's NOT a problem???!!!
really????

 

[harmonica]

No we don't admit that our communities are more violent and dangerous than white ones. What we do unlike you whites is admit that there is violence. Detroit is not the only city in America sealybobo and when we talk about overall crime, we are tlaking about America. I lived in Kansas City and saw whites in cars with county tags from rich white suburbs bringing in drugs to the black community that got sold there. I have never heard such double talk from blacks ever and I am a 56 year old black man. I have head whites say what you do all the time. So understand this, if someone wants to steal your buddie sweet classic car, they will steal it by leaving Detroit and going to the burbs to take it because you guys live in the lie that you have no crime in your communities so you do not pride the security needed. Your neighborhoods are easy pickings for inner city criminals. I say this because this is what I have been told.

In fact one of my best friends was dating a white mother of 2 who lived in Johnson County KS, one of the wealthiest suburbs in America and he saw that there were WHITE kids there getting in son much trouble with the law that he stared a high school rugby team. So let 's not come here with your double talk. I have been all over this nation either working on issues or attending seminars and conventions pertaining to things black people deal with. Not once do they say their neighborhoods are less safe than white ones. Stop telling that lie. What we do say is we must reduce the crime that happens and the crime that does happen is often because these communities do not get the funding needed when they ask for the resources needed to stop or redice the crime.

Yes I ignore per capita. Because 100,000 backs or 1 million whites are all not responsible for all the crime. You can only assess the crime by the types of crimes and those who actually commit the crime and not whole populations of people. If you have 10,000 burglaries and whites commit 8,000 of them you cannot put all 8,000 on the entire white populations. What you can do is say that there were 10,000 burglaries and 8.000 were committed by whites so whites committed the most burglaries. And that's what's being said here. that per capita bullshit is racist garbage. No different from drapetomania and every other dumb as white attempt to say they are better. Whites commit more crimes. Or more accurately stated, there are more whites committing crimes.

So how safe are you really in he suburbs? If your house is broken in which results in property being stolen does that make you safer than a community that has less break ins but shootings instead? How about the reality that you might have more drunk and impaired drivers using vehicles in the suburbs who can hit a child or run you over or cause an accident instead of a shooting. Does that make your neighborhood safer? How about if you have more domestic and violence against family in the suburbs instead of shootings. Does that make your community more safe? So is our neighborhood actually safer when you can get assaulted at the suburban mall? What whites like you have done is frame the argument in terms of one crime. Therefore the entire argument by whites here is based a false premise and has no merit.

In 2014 whites made up 72.3 percent of all arrests in METROPOLITAN counties nationwide. Blacks, 25.4. In Metropolitan counties throughout this nation whites were arrested 2.84 times. Or 3 times as much as blacks in this nation. They were arrested for 57.6 percent of all murders in METROPOLTIAN areas of the United States. Blacks 39.9.

ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-55

In NON METROPOLITAN counties in this country whites made up 83.7 percent of all arrests. Blacks 13.4 percent. Here is where the white argument of racial proportion dies on its face. Yes, the reason why more whites are arrested in non-metropolitan areas is that they are a majority of the population. Yet the number of arrests in these areas far out pace the overall white population. If we are to go with the racist assumption then the higher the number of whites, then the crime rate should reduce itself. But it doesn’t. It goes up.

ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-61

#2. Here in Metro Detroit we do not have a crime problem. We do not get together and say we need to deal with the crime here because it's getting bad. But they are/do say that in Detroit. So I don't know what world you live in but I hear good people in Detroit all the time say it's crazy there and something has to be done. You're lying to yourself bro.

I am not lying to myself. I stated that blacks admit to the fact there is crime. Again, you do realize that you are talking to a black man don't you?

Detroit’s Bankruptcy Reflects a History of Racism

Detroits problems are a direct result of racism. And again, Detroit is not the only city in America and when we talk about crime we are talking about crime totals in America not just murder. SO you nee dot understand something, I grew up in a bac community in a town of 50,000 We had far less crime than the white community. In my whole life there, I saw one shooting and it was because some white dude ran up on blacks talking racial shit in 1970. Butt here are still several unsolved white murders in this town and there are blacks who were killed in strange circumstances and it is known that the crime was committed by whites. Overall the crime rate in the white community in this town is maybe 5-10 times higher than that of the black community. There are places in this town blacks do not go. Because their lives may end. So when you talk realize that Detroit is not the only place on earth. I've been there an felt safe. I had a friend who went there to visit his daughter who fell asleep I the hood in a brand new car, woke up in the morning and drove off without harm.

There are over 700,000 blacks who live in Detroit. Last year there were 305 murders. That's less than 1/10 of one percent of the population. Now that doesn't mean nothing should be done, but what is does mean is whites such as you are overblowing the issue in order to claim supremacy. It is because of this belief than in a small town such as this one blacks are harassed and stopped at 7 times the rate of whites for supposed marijuana checks even though the rate of mj use is exactly the same. So somehow this bullshit belief you carry must be eliminated and therefore that is what I am doing.
Yu don't.

black murder at a much, MUCH higher rate than whites--this CAN"T be denied/twisted/turned/etc
they are arrested at twice the rate of whites for crime
Table 43

But their poverty rate is five times the size so actually they're quite civilized... Under the circumstances. Dingbat.

Not arguing the reasons. Either it's true or it's not. Do they murder at a higher rate than whites?

And I still stand by my comment that one vegas or pulse night club shootings are skewing the numbers. Or sandy hook. That's 3 guys screwing up the numbers

even with mass murderers counted--blacks still commit murder at a higher rate
you are correct, those do skew the numbers

 

[Unkotare]

But then when you guys admit that the black community is more violent and dangerous than our white communities are then you blame it on white people for cutting your people off from economic opportunity. I don't disagree with that but you first have to decide, are your communities more dangerous than ours? I talk to blacks who moved out of Detroit and they will admit that the neighborhood they moved away from is far more dangerous than where they live now. My one buddy has a sweet classic car. Keeps it in his driveway out here but in Detroit he had to keep it in storage because it would have gotten stolen.

And insurance companies charge Detroiters a lot more for car insurance than they do us because the likelihood of your car getting stolen in Detroit are much greater than here in the burbs. This isn't made up stories. These are facts. Can you explain why you guys sometimes argue that you are not more violent/criminal but then other times when you admit you are you say it's because of white oppression. I'll accept the second excuse but not the flat out denial that your communities are more dangerous. That's just ridiculous. You're taking 1 million whites and comparing them to 100,000 blacks and saying because we have more crime we are more dangerous? Do you completely ignore per capita?

I live near a city called Novi, MI. It's a suburb of Detroit. Metro Detroit. No comparison that Novi is a much safer place to be than Detroit, Saginaw or Flint. In fact you can't tell me a white city in Michigan that even comes close to being as dangerous as Detroit, Saginaw and Flint.

No we don't admit that our communities are more violent and dangerous than white ones. What we do unlike you whites is admit that there is violence. Detroit is not the only city in America sealybobo and when we talk about overall crime, we are tlaking about America. I lived in Kansas City and saw whites in cars with county tags from rich white suburbs bringing in drugs to the black community that got sold there. I have never heard such double talk from blacks ever and I am a 56 year old black man. I have head whites say what you do all the time. So understand this, if someone wants to steal your buddie sweet classic car, they will steal it by leaving Detroit and going to the burbs to take it because you guys live in the lie that you have no crime in your communities so you do not pride the security needed. Your neighborhoods are easy pickings for inner city criminals. I say this because this is what I have been told.

In fact one of my best friends was dating a white mother of 2 who lived in Johnson County KS, one of the wealthiest suburbs in America and he saw that there were WHITE kids there getting in son much trouble with the law that he stared a high school rugby team. So let 's not come here with your double talk. I have been all over this nation either working on issues or attending seminars and conventions pertaining to things black people deal with. Not once do they say their neighborhoods are less safe than white ones. Stop telling that lie. What we do say is we must reduce the crime that happens and the crime that does happen is often because these communities do not get the funding needed when they ask for the resources needed to stop or redice the crime.

Yes I ignore per capita. Because 100,000 backs or 1 million whites are all not responsible for all the crime. You can only assess the crime by the types of crimes and those who actually commit the crime and not whole populations of people. If you have 10,000 burglaries and whites commit 8,000 of them you cannot put all 8,000 on the entire white populations. What you can do is say that there were 10,000 burglaries and 8.000 were committed by whites so whites committed the most burglaries. And that's what's being said here. that per capita bullshit is racist garbage. No different from drapetomania and every other dumb as white attempt to say they are better. Whites commit more crimes. Or more accurately stated, there are more whites committing crimes.

So how safe are you really in he suburbs? If your house is broken in which results in property being stolen does that make you safer than a community that has less break ins but shootings instead? How about the reality that you might have more drunk and impaired drivers using vehicles in the suburbs who can hit a child or run you over or cause an accident instead of a shooting. Does that make your neighborhood safer? How about if you have more domestic and violence against family in the suburbs instead of shootings. Does that make your community more safe? So is our neighborhood actually safer when you can get assaulted at the suburban mall? What whites like you have done is frame the argument in terms of one crime. Therefore the entire argument by whites here is based a false premise and has no merit.

In 2014 whites made up 72.3 percent of all arrests in METROPOLITAN counties nationwide. Blacks, 25.4. In Metropolitan counties throughout this nation whites were arrested 2.84 times. Or 3 times as much as blacks in this nation. They were arrested for 57.6 percent of all murders in METROPOLTIAN areas of the United States. Blacks 39.9.

ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-55

In NON METROPOLITAN counties in this country whites made up 83.7 percent of all arrests. Blacks 13.4 percent. Here is where the white argument of racial proportion dies on its face. Yes, the reason why more whites are arrested in non-metropolitan areas is that they are a majority of the population. Yet the number of arrests in these areas far out pace the overall white population. If we are to go with the racist assumption then the higher the number of whites, then the crime rate should reduce itself. But it doesn’t. It goes up.

ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-61

#2. Here in Metro Detroit we do not have a crime problem. We do not get together and say we need to deal with the crime here because it's getting bad. But they are/do say that in Detroit. So I don't know what world you live in but I hear good people in Detroit all the time say it's crazy there and something has to be done. You're lying to yourself bro.

I am not lying to myself. I stated that blacks admit to the fact there is crime. Again, you do realize that you are talking to a black man don't you?

Detroit’s Bankruptcy Reflects a History of Racism

Detroits problems are a direct result of racism. And again, Detroit is not the only city in America and when we talk about crime we are talking about crime totals in America not just murder. SO you nee dot understand something, I grew up in a bac community in a town of 50,000 We had far less crime than the white community. In my whole life there, I saw one shooting and it was because some white dude ran up on blacks talking racial shit in 1970. Butt here are still several unsolved white murders in this town and there are blacks who were killed in strange circumstances and it is known that the crime was committed by whites. Overall the crime rate in the white community in this town is maybe 5-10 times higher than that of the black community. There are places in this town blacks do not go. Because their lives may end. So when you talk realize that Detroit is not the only place on earth. I've been there an felt safe. I had a friend who went there to visit his daughter who fell asleep I the hood in a brand new car, woke up in the morning and drove off without harm.

There are over 700,000 blacks who live in Detroit. Last year there were 305 murders. That's less than 1/10 of one percent of the population. Now that doesn't mean nothing should be done, but what is does mean is whites such as you are overblowing the issue in order to claim supremacy. It is because of this belief than in a small town such as this one blacks are harassed and stopped at 7 times the rate of whites for supposed marijuana checks even though the rate of mj use is exactly the same. So somehow this bullshit belief you carry must be eliminated and therefore that is what I am doing.
Yu don't.

black murder at a much, MUCH higher rate than whites--this CAN"T be denied/twisted/turned/etc
they are arrested at twice the rate of whites for crime
Table 43

But their poverty rate is five times the size so actually they're quite civilized... Under the circumstances. Dingbat.

Are you trying to say poor people are inherently criminal, or that black people are inherently poor? Shame on you either way, generalizing lefty hypocrite.

 

[harmonica]

But then when you guys admit that the black community is more violent and dangerous than our white communities are then you blame it on white people for cutting your people off from economic opportunity. I don't disagree with that but you first have to decide, are your communities more dangerous than ours? I talk to blacks who moved out of Detroit and they will admit that the neighborhood they moved away from is far more dangerous than where they live now. My one buddy has a sweet classic car. Keeps it in his driveway out here but in Detroit he had to keep it in storage because it would have gotten stolen.

And insurance companies charge Detroiters a lot more for car insurance than they do us because the likelihood of your car getting stolen in Detroit are much greater than here in the burbs. This isn't made up stories. These are facts. Can you explain why you guys sometimes argue that you are not more violent/criminal but then other times when you admit you are you say it's because of white oppression. I'll accept the second excuse but not the flat out denial that your communities are more dangerous. That's just ridiculous. You're taking 1 million whites and comparing them to 100,000 blacks and saying because we have more crime we are more dangerous? Do you completely ignore per capita?

I live near a city called Novi, MI. It's a suburb of Detroit. Metro Detroit. No comparison that Novi is a much safer place to be than Detroit, Saginaw or Flint. In fact you can't tell me a white city in Michigan that even comes close to being as dangerous as Detroit, Saginaw and Flint.

No we don't admit that our communities are more violent and dangerous than white ones. What we do unlike you whites is admit that there is violence. Detroit is not the only city in America sealybobo and when we talk about overall crime, we are tlaking about America. I lived in Kansas City and saw whites in cars with county tags from rich white suburbs bringing in drugs to the black community that got sold there. I have never heard such double talk from blacks ever and I am a 56 year old black man. I have head whites say what you do all the time. So understand this, if someone wants to steal your buddie sweet classic car, they will steal it by leaving Detroit and going to the burbs to take it because you guys live in the lie that you have no crime in your communities so you do not pride the security needed. Your neighborhoods are easy pickings for inner city criminals. I say this because this is what I have been told.

In fact one of my best friends was dating a white mother of 2 who lived in Johnson County KS, one of the wealthiest suburbs in America and he saw that there were WHITE kids there getting in son much trouble with the law that he stared a high school rugby team. So let 's not come here with your double talk. I have been all over this nation either working on issues or attending seminars and conventions pertaining to things black people deal with. Not once do they say their neighborhoods are less safe than white ones. Stop telling that lie. What we do say is we must reduce the crime that happens and the crime that does happen is often because these communities do not get the funding needed when they ask for the resources needed to stop or redice the crime.

Yes I ignore per capita. Because 100,000 backs or 1 million whites are all not responsible for all the crime. You can only assess the crime by the types of crimes and those who actually commit the crime and not whole populations of people. If you have 10,000 burglaries and whites commit 8,000 of them you cannot put all 8,000 on the entire white populations. What you can do is say that there were 10,000 burglaries and 8.000 were committed by whites so whites committed the most burglaries. And that's what's being said here. that per capita bullshit is racist garbage. No different from drapetomania and every other dumb as white attempt to say they are better. Whites commit more crimes. Or more accurately stated, there are more whites committing crimes.

So how safe are you really in he suburbs? If your house is broken in which results in property being stolen does that make you safer than a community that has less break ins but shootings instead? How about the reality that you might have more drunk and impaired drivers using vehicles in the suburbs who can hit a child or run you over or cause an accident instead of a shooting. Does that make your neighborhood safer? How about if you have more domestic and violence against family in the suburbs instead of shootings. Does that make your community more safe? So is our neighborhood actually safer when you can get assaulted at the suburban mall? What whites like you have done is frame the argument in terms of one crime. Therefore the entire argument by whites here is based a false premise and has no merit.

In 2014 whites made up 72.3 percent of all arrests in METROPOLITAN counties nationwide. Blacks, 25.4. In Metropolitan counties throughout this nation whites were arrested 2.84 times. Or 3 times as much as blacks in this nation. They were arrested for 57.6 percent of all murders in METROPOLTIAN areas of the United States. Blacks 39.9.

ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-55

In NON METROPOLITAN counties in this country whites made up 83.7 percent of all arrests. Blacks 13.4 percent. Here is where the white argument of racial proportion dies on its face. Yes, the reason why more whites are arrested in non-metropolitan areas is that they are a majority of the population. Yet the number of arrests in these areas far out pace the overall white population. If we are to go with the racist assumption then the higher the number of whites, then the crime rate should reduce itself. But it doesn’t. It goes up.

ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-61

#2. Here in Metro Detroit we do not have a crime problem. We do not get together and say we need to deal with the crime here because it's getting bad. But they are/do say that in Detroit. So I don't know what world you live in but I hear good people in Detroit all the time say it's crazy there and something has to be done. You're lying to yourself bro.

I am not lying to myself. I stated that blacks admit to the fact there is crime. Again, you do realize that you are talking to a black man don't you?

Detroit’s Bankruptcy Reflects a History of Racism

Detroits problems are a direct result of racism. And again, Detroit is not the only city in America and when we talk about crime we are talking about crime totals in America not just murder. SO you nee dot understand something, I grew up in a bac community in a town of 50,000 We had far less crime than the white community. In my whole life there, I saw one shooting and it was because some white dude ran up on blacks talking racial shit in 1970. Butt here are still several unsolved white murders in this town and there are blacks who were killed in strange circumstances and it is known that the crime was committed by whites. Overall the crime rate in the white community in this town is maybe 5-10 times higher than that of the black community. There are places in this town blacks do not go. Because their lives may end. So when you talk realize that Detroit is not the only place on earth. I've been there an felt safe. I had a friend who went there to visit his daughter who fell asleep I the hood in a brand new car, woke up in the morning and drove off without harm.

There are over 700,000 blacks who live in Detroit. Last year there were 305 murders. That's less than 1/10 of one percent of the population. Now that doesn't mean nothing should be done, but what is does mean is whites such as you are overblowing the issue in order to claim supremacy. It is because of this belief than in a small town such as this one blacks are harassed and stopped at 7 times the rate of whites for supposed marijuana checks even though the rate of mj use is exactly the same. So somehow this bullshit belief you carry must be eliminated and therefore that is what I am doing.
Yu don't.

black murder at a much, MUCH higher rate than whites--this CAN"T be denied/twisted/turned/etc
they are arrested at twice the rate of whites for crime
Table 43

But their poverty rate is five times the size so actually they're quite civilized... Under the circumstances. Dingbat.

my dad lived during the DEPRESSION!! I grew up poor..we never murdered anyone
being poor is not the direct problem---being poor along with poor parenting/culture/impulse control/etc is the problem

 

[JQPublic1]

blacks commit murder at over seven times the rate of whites

No...in 2016 the non Hispanic white murder rate was 1.42 per 100K and the non Hispanic Black rate was 6.49 per 100K. Thats makes the black rate about 4.5 times that of the white rate, not 7 times.

OBVIOUSLY the blacks havea much bigger problem with murder

Murder is really not that much of a problem for blacks or whites. Murder affects far less than 1/2 of 1% of either the black or. white populations each year.

by denying this or trying to skip around it shows:
1. you don't want to discuss in a reasonable, sincere manner
2. you are not accepting facts
3. you are the hater/racist/bigot/etc

I've done more than merely accept the facts...I've shown how you've tried to twist facts to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

wow --I provide links/etc--but you do not
your source?
here---FBI --2015
...!!:
Expanded Homicide
53% of homocide offenders were black--that's 4 times the population of blacks --and I'm going higher using 13% as population of blacks--the rate is HIGHER--53% vs 13%
NOW--it's NOT --4.5 times higher than the white rate!!!!!!!!!!!!! --because the white rate is BELOW the white population rate at 44%
any way---you are saying with that rate, not 2 times--not 3 times--but 4.5 times the rate of whites--it's NOT a problem???!!!
really????

White males are only 31% of the population
and black males are only 6.6% of the population. Criminal elements in those two groups are commiting the most violence and homicides. What we need to figure out is what percentage of those two groups are commiting the crime/homicides. Here is one link that helps to clarify and pinpoint responsibility rather than using the inaccurate per capita model..
Nazis Can't Do Math: Reflections on Racism, Crime and the Illiteracy of Right-Wing Statistical Analysis
"White-on-white crime (which term doesn’t even exist in our racial or criminological lexicon), is far more prevalent than its black-on-white (or even black-on-black) equivalent, numerically speaking, and yet to white nationalist types, we should draw no conclusions from this at all. White folks can commit mass murder, kidnap, rape, sexually mutilate, or even cannibalize people (like Jeffrey Dahmer, for instance), and represent no one but their solitary selves. Charles Manson is never expected to serve as a stand-in for white folks writ large.

But every black criminal — whether James Edwards, accused of shooting Australian baseball star, Chris Lane, in Oklahoma last week, or the two black teens who beat the white World War Two veteran to death in Spokane a few days later — is somehow taken as exhibit A in the racist fantasies of America’s neo-Nazi set. White criminals and deviants are just bad individuals. Black ones are indicative of a broader cultural or genetic truth."

 

[JQPublic1]

#2. Here in Metro Detroit we do not have a crime problem. We do not get together and say we need to deal with the crime here because it's getting bad. But they are/do say that in Detroit. So I don't know what world you live in but I hear good people in Detroit all the time say it's crazy there and something has to be done. You're lying to yourself bro.

I am not lying to myself. I stated that blacks admit to the fact there is crime. Again, you do realize that you are talking to a black man don't you?

Detroit’s Bankruptcy Reflects a History of Racism

Detroits problems are a direct result of racism. And again, Detroit is not the only city in America and when we talk about crime we are talking about crime totals in America not just murder. SO you nee dot understand something, I grew up in a bac community in a town of 50,000 We had far less crime than the white community. In my whole life there, I saw one shooting and it was because some white dude ran up on blacks talking racial shit in 1970. Butt here are still several unsolved white murders in this town and there are blacks who were killed in strange circumstances and it is known that the crime was committed by whites. Overall the crime rate in the white community in this town is maybe 5-10 times higher than that of the black community. There are places in this town blacks do not go. Because their lives may end. So when you talk realize that Detroit is not the only place on earth. I've been there an felt safe. I had a friend who went there to visit his daughter who fell asleep I the hood in a brand new car, woke up in the morning and drove off without harm.

There are over 700,000 blacks who live in Detroit. Last year there were 305 murders. That's less than 1/10 of one percent of the population. Now that doesn't mean nothing should be done, but what is does mean is whites such as you are overblowing the issue in order to claim supremacy. It is because of this belief than in a small town such as this one blacks are harassed and stopped at 7 times the rate of whites for supposed marijuana checks even though the rate of mj use is exactly the same. So somehow this bullshit belief you carry must be eliminated and therefore that is what I am doing.
Yu don't.

black murder at a much, MUCH higher rate than whites--this CAN"T be denied/twisted/turned/etc
they are arrested at twice the rate of whites for crime
Table 43

But their poverty rate is five times the size so actually they're quite civilized... Under the circumstances. Dingbat.

Not arguing the reasons. Either it's true or it's not. Do they murder at a higher rate than whites?

And I still stand by my comment that one vegas or pulse night club shootings are skewing the numbers. Or sandy hook. That's 3 guys screwing up the numbers

even with mass murderers counted--blacks still commit murder at a higher rate
you are correct, those do skew the numbers

The numbers can be skewed on both sides when one perp kills several people or more.
Skewing can also occur when innocent people ae arrested for murder and later released. Unfortunately the arrest stat isn't erased when that happens...especially if the
Cleared indivuals are black.

 

[francoHFW]

blacks commit murder at over seven times the rate h Iof whites

No...in 2016 the non Hispanic white murder rate was 1.42 per 100K and the non Hispanic Black rate was 6.49 per 100K. Thats makes the black rate about 4.5 times that of the white rate, not 7 times.

OBVIOUSLY the blacks havea much bigger problem with murder

Murder is really not that much of a problem for blacks or whites. Murder affects far less than 1/2 of 1% of either the black or. white populations each year.

by denying this or trying to skip around it shows:
1. you don't want to discuss in a reasonable, sincere manner
2. you are not accepting facts
3. you are the hater/racist/bigot/etc

I've done more than merely accept the facts...I've shown how you've tried to twist facts to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

wow --I provide links/etc--but you do not
your source?
here---FBI --2015
...!!:
Expanded Homicide
53% of homocide offenders were black--that's 4 times the population of blacks --and I'm going higher using 13% as population of blacks--the rate is HIGHER--53% vs 13%
NOW--it's NOT --4.5 times higher than the white rate!!!!!!!!!!!!! --because the white rate is BELOW the white population rate at 44%
any way---you are saying with that rate, not 2 times--not 3 times--but 4.5 times the rate of whites--it's NOT a problem???!!!
really????

mainly black drug dealers killing each other over who gets to sell drugs to White Suburbanites and Hicks, Dupe.

 

[harmonica]

blacks commit murder at over seven times the rate of whites

No...in 2016 the non Hispanic white murder rate was 1.42 per 100K and the non Hispanic Black rate was 6.49 per 100K. Thats makes the black rate about 4.5 times that of the white rate, not 7 times.

OBVIOUSLY the blacks havea much bigger problem with murder

Murder is really not that much of a problem for blacks or whites. Murder affects far less than 1/2 of 1% of either the black or. white populations each year.

by denying this or trying to skip around it shows:
1. you don't want to discuss in a reasonable, sincere manner
2. you are not accepting facts
3. you are the hater/racist/bigot/etc

I've done more than merely accept the facts...I've shown how you've tried to twist facts to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

wow --I provide links/etc--but you do not
your source?
here---FBI --2015
...!!:
Expanded Homicide
53% of homocide offenders were black--that's 4 times the population of blacks --and I'm going higher using 13% as population of blacks--the rate is HIGHER--53% vs 13%
NOW--it's NOT --4.5 times higher than the white rate!!!!!!!!!!!!! --because the white rate is BELOW the white population rate at 44%
any way---you are saying with that rate, not 2 times--not 3 times--but 4.5 times the rate of whites--it's NOT a problem???!!!
really????

White males are only 31% of the population
and black males are only 6.6% of the population. Criminal elements in those two groups are commiting the most violence and homicides. What we need to figure out is what percentage of those two groups are commiting the crime/homicides. Here is one link that helps to clarify and pinpoint responsibility rather than using the inaccurate per capita model..
Nazis Can't Do Math: Reflections on Racism, Crime and the Illiteracy of Right-Wing Statistical Analysis
"White-on-white crime (which term doesn’t even exist in our racial or criminological lexicon), is far more prevalent than its black-on-white (or even black-on-black) equivalent, numerically speaking, and yet to white nationalist types, we should draw no conclusions from this at all. White folks can commit mass murder, kidnap, rape, sexually mutilate, or even cannibalize people (like Jeffrey Dahmer, for instance), and represent no one but their solitary selves. Charles Manson is never expected to serve as a stand-in for white folks writ large.

But every black criminal — whether James Edwards, accused of shooting Australian baseball star, Chris Lane, in Oklahoma last week, or the two black teens who beat the white World War Two veteran to death in Spokane a few days later — is somehow taken as exhibit A in the racist fantasies of America’s neo-Nazi set. White criminals and deviants are just bad individuals. Black ones are indicative of a broader cultural or genetic truth."

a real unbiased source
look at the title
Nazis Can’t Do Math: Reflections on Racism, Crime and the Illiteracy of Right-Wing Statistical Analysis
---talk about CRAP!! unprofessional.... hateful.
a real winner
and:
'''White-on-white crime (which term doesn’t even exist in our racial or criminological lexicon), is far more prevalent than its black-on-white (or even black-on-black) equivalent, numerically speaking,''
he, also , is afraid of the per capita monster--which is the TRUE scientific-mathematical statistic--

here--as I told others--I'l not use numbers so maybe you will understand:
a greater percentage of the black population is committing murder/crime than the percentage of the white population---meaning the the black population has the greater problem

??are you trolling?
you gave stats as 2016--the article looks like 2013...?????

 

[JQPublic1]

blacks commit murder at over seven times the rate of whites

No...in 2016 the non Hispanic white murder rate was 1.42 per 100K and the non Hispanic Black rate was 6.49 per 100K. Thats makes the black rate about 4.5 times that of the white rate, not 7 times.

OBVIOUSLY the blacks havea much bigger problem with murder

Murder is really not that much of a problem for blacks or whites. Murder affects far less than 1/2 of 1% of either the black or. white populations each year.

by denying this or trying to skip around it shows:
1. you don't want to discuss in a reasonable, sincere manner
2. you are not accepting facts
3. you are the hater/racist/bigot/etc

I've done more than merely accept the facts...I've shown how you've tried to twist facts to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

wow --I provide links/etc--but you do not
your source?
here---FBI --2015
...!!:
Expanded Homicide
53% of homocide offenders were black--that's 4 times the population of blacks --and I'm going higher using 13% as population of blacks--the rate is HIGHER--53% vs 13%
NOW--it's NOT --4.5 times higher than the white rate!!!!!!!!!!!!! --because the white rate is BELOW the white population rate at 44%
any way---you are saying with that rate, not 2 times--not 3 times--but 4.5 times the rate of whites--it's NOT a problem???!!!
really????

White males are only 31% of the population
and black males are only 6.6% of the population. Criminal elements in those two groups are commiting the most violence and homicides. What we need to figure out is what percentage of those two groups are commiting the crime/homicides. Here is one link that helps to clarify and pinpoint responsibility rather than using the inaccurate per capita model..
Nazis Can't Do Math: Reflections on Racism, Crime and the Illiteracy of Right-Wing Statistical Analysis
"White-on-white crime (which term doesn’t even exist in our racial or criminological lexicon), is far more prevalent than its black-on-white (or even black-on-black) equivalent, numerically speaking, and yet to white nationalist types, we should draw no conclusions from this at all. White folks can commit mass murder, kidnap, rape, sexually mutilate, or even cannibalize people (like Jeffrey Dahmer, for instance), and represent no one but their solitary selves. Charles Manson is never expected to serve as a stand-in for white folks writ large.

But every black criminal — whether James Edwards, accused of shooting Australian baseball star, Chris Lane, in Oklahoma last week, or the two black teens who beat the white World War Two veteran to death in Spokane a few days later — is somehow taken as exhibit A in the racist fantasies of America’s neo-Nazi set. White criminals and deviants are just bad individuals. Black ones are indicative of a broader cultural or genetic truth."

a real unbiased source
look at the title
Nazis Can’t Do Math: Reflections on Racism, Crime and the Illiteracy of Right-Wing Statistical Analysis
---talk about CRAP!! unprofessional.... hateful.
a real winner
and:
'''White-on-white crime (which term doesn’t even exist in our racial or criminological lexicon), is far more prevalent than its black-on-white (or even black-on-black) equivalent, numerically speaking,''
he, also , is afraid of the per capita monster--which is the TRUE scientific-mathematical statistic--

here--as I told others--I'l not use numbers so maybe you will understand:
a greater percentage of the black population is committing murder/crime than the percentage of the white population---meaning the the black population has the greater problem

??are you trolling?
you gave stats as 2016--the article looks like 2013...?????

What you are missing is that that crime and murder is an American problem. Our time could be better spent investigating the correlations between black and white criminality instead of pointing fingers. Good black citizens and good white citizens have the same tax supported resources to combat crime in their communities. So what do you.portend with this per capita BS? What are you trying to say? Again i ask, why do you throw these statistics in the face of decent non criminal blacks who can do no more about crime in their community than whites can do abot crime in theirs. Blacks, in fact, have less acess to those resources because of bias, bigotry, and racism.

 

[JQPublic1]

No we don't admit that our communities are more violent and dangerous than white ones. What we do unlike you whites is admit that there is violence. Detroit is not the only city in America sealybobo and when we talk about overall crime, we are tlaking about America. I lived in Kansas City and saw whites in cars with county tags from rich white suburbs bringing in drugs to the black community that got sold there. I have never heard such double talk from blacks ever and I am a 56 year old black man. I have head whites say what you do all the time. So understand this, if someone wants to steal your buddie sweet classic car, they will steal it by leaving Detroit and going to the burbs to take it because you guys live in the lie that you have no crime in your communities so you do not pride the security needed. Your neighborhoods are easy pickings for inner city criminals. I say this because this is what I have been told.

In fact one of my best friends was dating a white mother of 2 who lived in Johnson County KS, one of the wealthiest suburbs in America and he saw that there were WHITE kids there getting in son much trouble with the law that he stared a high school rugby team. So let 's not come here with your double talk. I have been all over this nation either working on issues or attending seminars and conventions pertaining to things black people deal with. Not once do they say their neighborhoods are less safe than white ones. Stop telling that lie. What we do say is we must reduce the crime that happens and the crime that does happen is often because these communities do not get the funding needed when they ask for the resources needed to stop or redice the crime.

Yes I ignore per capita. Because 100,000 backs or 1 million whites are all not responsible for all the crime. You can only assess the crime by the types of crimes and those who actually commit the crime and not whole populations of people. If you have 10,000 burglaries and whites commit 8,000 of them you cannot put all 8,000 on the entire white populations. What you can do is say that there were 10,000 burglaries and 8.000 were committed by whites so whites committed the most burglaries. And that's what's being said here. that per capita bullshit is racist garbage. No different from drapetomania and every other dumb as white attempt to say they are better. Whites commit more crimes. Or more accurately stated, there are more whites committing crimes.

So how safe are you really in he suburbs? If your house is broken in which results in property being stolen does that make you safer than a community that has less break ins but shootings instead? How about the reality that you might have more drunk and impaired drivers using vehicles in the suburbs who can hit a child or run you over or cause an accident instead of a shooting. Does that make your neighborhood safer? How about if you have more domestic and violence against family in the suburbs instead of shootings. Does that make your community more safe? So is our neighborhood actually safer when you can get assaulted at the suburban mall? What whites like you have done is frame the argument in terms of one crime. Therefore the entire argument by whites here is based a false premise and has no merit.

In 2014 whites made up 72.3 percent of all arrests in METROPOLITAN counties nationwide. Blacks, 25.4. In Metropolitan counties throughout this nation whites were arrested 2.84 times. Or 3 times as much as blacks in this nation. They were arrested for 57.6 percent of all murders in METROPOLTIAN areas of the United States. Blacks 39.9.

ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-55

In NON METROPOLITAN counties in this country whites made up 83.7 percent of all arrests. Blacks 13.4 percent. Here is where the white argument of racial proportion dies on its face. Yes, the reason why more whites are arrested in non-metropolitan areas is that they are a majority of the population. Yet the number of arrests in these areas far out pace the overall white population. If we are to go with the racist assumption then the higher the number of whites, then the crime rate should reduce itself. But it doesn’t. It goes up.

ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-61

#2. Here in Metro Detroit we do not have a crime problem. We do not get together and say we need to deal with the crime here because it's getting bad. But they are/do say that in Detroit. So I don't know what world you live in but I hear good people in Detroit all the time say it's crazy there and something has to be done. You're lying to yourself bro.

I am not lying to myself. I stated that blacks admit to the fact there is crime. Again, you do realize that you are talking to a black man don't you?

Detroit’s Bankruptcy Reflects a History of Racism

Detroits problems are a direct result of racism. And again, Detroit is not the only city in America and when we talk about crime we are talking about crime totals in America not just murder. SO you nee dot understand something, I grew up in a bac community in a town of 50,000 We had far less crime than the white community. In my whole life there, I saw one shooting and it was because some white dude ran up on blacks talking racial shit in 1970. Butt here are still several unsolved white murders in this town and there are blacks who were killed in strange circumstances and it is known that the crime was committed by whites. Overall the crime rate in the white community in this town is maybe 5-10 times higher than that of the black community. There are places in this town blacks do not go. Because their lives may end. So when you talk realize that Detroit is not the only place on earth. I've been there an felt safe. I had a friend who went there to visit his daughter who fell asleep I the hood in a brand new car, woke up in the morning and drove off without harm.

There are over 700,000 blacks who live in Detroit. Last year there were 305 murders. That's less than 1/10 of one percent of the population. Now that doesn't mean nothing should be done, but what is does mean is whites such as you are overblowing the issue in order to claim supremacy. It is because of this belief than in a small town such as this one blacks are harassed and stopped at 7 times the rate of whites for supposed marijuana checks even though the rate of mj use is exactly the same. So somehow this bullshit belief you carry must be eliminated and therefore that is what I am doing.
Yu don't.

black murder at a much, MUCH higher rate than whites--this CAN"T be denied/twisted/turned/etc
they are arrested at twice the rate of whites for crime
Table 43

But their poverty rate is five times the size so actually they're quite civilized... Under the circumstances. Dingbat.

my dad lived during the DEPRESSION!! I grew up poor..we never murdered anyone
being poor is not the direct problem---being poor along with poor parenting/culture/impulse control/etc is the problem

Have you considered that most blacks are not criminals...poor or not.

 

[harmonica]

blacks commit murder at over seven times the rate of whites

No...in 2016 the non Hispanic white murder rate was 1.42 per 100K and the non Hispanic Black rate was 6.49 per 100K. Thats makes the black rate about 4.5 times that of the white rate, not 7 times.

OBVIOUSLY the blacks havea much bigger problem with murder

Murder is really not that much of a problem for blacks or whites. Murder affects far less than 1/2 of 1% of either the black or. white populations each year.

by denying this or trying to skip around it shows:
1. you don't want to discuss in a reasonable, sincere manner
2. you are not accepting facts
3. you are the hater/racist/bigot/etc

I've done more than merely accept the facts...I've shown how you've tried to twist facts to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

wow --I provide links/etc--but you do not
your source?
here---FBI --2015
...!!:
Expanded Homicide
53% of homocide offenders were black--that's 4 times the population of blacks --and I'm going higher using 13% as population of blacks--the rate is HIGHER--53% vs 13%
NOW--it's NOT --4.5 times higher than the white rate!!!!!!!!!!!!! --because the white rate is BELOW the white population rate at 44%
any way---you are saying with that rate, not 2 times--not 3 times--but 4.5 times the rate of whites--it's NOT a problem???!!!
really????

White males are only 31% of the population
and black males are only 6.6% of the population. Criminal elements in those two groups are commiting the most violence and homicides. What we need to figure out is what percentage of those two groups are commiting the crime/homicides. Here is one link that helps to clarify and pinpoint responsibility rather than using the inaccurate per capita model..
Nazis Can't Do Math: Reflections on Racism, Crime and the Illiteracy of Right-Wing Statistical Analysis
"White-on-white crime (which term doesn’t even exist in our racial or criminological lexicon), is far more prevalent than its black-on-white (or even black-on-black) equivalent, numerically speaking, and yet to white nationalist types, we should draw no conclusions from this at all. White folks can commit mass murder, kidnap, rape, sexually mutilate, or even cannibalize people (like Jeffrey Dahmer, for instance), and represent no one but their solitary selves. Charles Manson is never expected to serve as a stand-in for white folks writ large.

But every black criminal — whether James Edwards, accused of shooting Australian baseball star, Chris Lane, in Oklahoma last week, or the two black teens who beat the white World War Two veteran to death in Spokane a few days later — is somehow taken as exhibit A in the racist fantasies of America’s neo-Nazi set. White criminals and deviants are just bad individuals. Black ones are indicative of a broader cultural or genetic truth."

a real unbiased source
look at the title
Nazis Can’t Do Math: Reflections on Racism, Crime and the Illiteracy of Right-Wing Statistical Analysis
---talk about CRAP!! unprofessional.... hateful.
a real winner
and:
'''White-on-white crime (which term doesn’t even exist in our racial or criminological lexicon), is far more prevalent than its black-on-white (or even black-on-black) equivalent, numerically speaking,''
he, also , is afraid of the per capita monster--which is the TRUE scientific-mathematical statistic--

here--as I told others--I'l not use numbers so maybe you will understand:
a greater percentage of the black population is committing murder/crime than the percentage of the white population---meaning the the black population has the greater problem

??are you trolling?
you gave stats as 2016--the article looks like 2013...?????

What you are missing is that that crime and murder is an American problem. Our time could be better spent investigating the correlations between black and white criminality instead of pointing fingers. Good black citizens and good white citizens have the same tax supported resources to combat crime in their communities. So what do you.portend with this per capita BS? What are you trying to say? Again i ask, why do you throw these statistics in the face of decent non criminal blacks who can do no more about crime in their community than whites can do abot crime in theirs. Blacks, in fact, have less acess to those resources because of bias, bigotry, and racism.

you said 2016-but the article is 2013