Zone1 Mary's sinlessness
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Rather than teach that Mary was sinless, the Bible gives evidence that she was a normal person with a normal person’s need of salvation. In Mary’s praise-filled, humble prayer in Luke 1, she says, “My spirit rejoices in God my Savior” (verse 47). If she were sinless, she would not have needed a “Savior.” Mary receives a gentle rebuke from Jesus in John 2:4, which hardly seems fitting if she were sinless.
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Exactly. Maybe when Catholics hear the word "sinner" they think of a totally lawless or evil person (which would explain why someone in post #11 was so offended by people saying Mary is sinner) but that's an extreme view of it. Technically, a person can commit one sin in their whole life and still be a sinner. Sin means missing the mark. As you said, even a wonderful person still occasionally misses the mark.
Scripture please?
God didn’t stop reaching 2000 years ago. That’s why we have Jesus’ Church.
OK, just so it's understood that scripture is silent about it.
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All have sinned......read the book
Why did you quote my comment instead of Mashmont's?
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Scripture is not silent about it
She was FULL of Grace, Grace is God.... God's spirit, God's will, God's protections, therefore...she was sinless, through God's grace... is how the Catholics view it....in simplistic terms....
Jesus was not yet born, and had not died for our sins yet....but she was still FULL, entirely, of God's grace....there is no sin, when you are FULL of God's grace....because He takes up, every inch of it.
What Does It Mean to be Full of Grace?
What is GRACE? Mary’s Immaculate Conception made her free from the guilt of Eve by God's grace because of what Jesus would do on the cross.
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Where does scripture say that Mary was without sin?
It’s not silent about it. When an angel says you are “full of grace”, that means something.
Early church writers agreed that Mary was the “new Eve”, except she didn’t fall into sin like Eve. She defeated the devil. That is why even today the devil loathes fears Mary.
Ridiculous. Being humble and acknowledging the savior isn’t a sin.
Telling Jesus they were out of wine at the wedding wasn’t a sin. That was the moment Jesus was going to perform his first public miracle, and he addressed her as “woman” to make the connection with the Genesis prophecy, which actually reaffirms that she is the new Eve.
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People today can be full of graceShe was FULL of Grace, Grace is God.... God's spirit, God's will, God's protections, therefore...she was sinless, through God's grace... is how the Catholics view it....in simplistic terms....
Jesus was not yet born, and had not died for our sins yet....but she was still FULL, entirely, of God's grace....there is no sin, when you are FULL of God's grace....because He takes up, every inch of it.
What Does It Mean to be Full of Grace?
What is GRACE? Mary’s Immaculate Conception made her free from the guilt of Eve by God's grace because of what Jesus would do on the cross.
The Letter to the Romans is about there being no distinction between gentiles and Jews, that they are all sinners in general.
This does not mean there aren’t exceptions. In the same book, Romans 9:11 Paul says Jacob and Esau commited no sin yet while in the womb. So clearly unborn children are without personal sin. Yet unborn still need a savior to get into heaven.
Also, wouldn’t “all” include Jesus as well? After all, he was fully human just as he was fully divine. With your logic, Jesus would be a sinner too.
Got an example?
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