MI Salon Owner "Bans" Trans, Etc. She Is Wrong.

[Blues Man]

And no one is saying you can refuse to sell a generic cake to someone based on their sexual preference.

Wedding cakes are generic they all basically look the same.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Thanks for letting us know how much you love discrimination.

But wait.

We knew that.

I love following the Constitution.

 

[iku]

This is the kind of discrimination that is wrong and, if I understand the SC ruling correctly, unlawful. She is doing people's hair and is open to the public. This does not involve speech on her part. In fact, there is no reason at all for her to endorse these folks' sexuality in using her speech. She is coloring and cutting their hair. Unless you want to be completely untamed I guess, everyone needs their hair tended.

A hair salon owner in Michigan has vowed to ban certain members of the LGBTQ+ community who specify their pronouns, saying they are 'not welcome' at her salon.

'If a human identifies as anything other than a man/woman, please seek services at a local pet groomer,' Studio 8 Hair Lab owner Christine Geiger wrote on Facebook.

Geiger wrote that she was simply exercising her right to 'free speech' as well as her ability as a business owner to 'refuse services' to certain customers.

Hair salon owner vows to ban customers who specify their pronouns

Are you not the one always complaining about LGBTQ+ ?

 

[whitehall]

It's a given that the left wing "Daily Mail" will focus on one side while omitting details that might not conform to the scenario. The link said that the salon operator discriminated against "some" members of the gay community. That's a clue. It's possible that the salon owner was targeted and invaded by obnoxious drag queens. It's possible that the salon owner would lose her entire customer base if she started catering to the clown drag queen culture. We don't know because the hard working middle class is now the enemy and screeching drag queens are protected by the media.

 

[Couchpotato]

Ok. Let's do the KKK cake. I would refuse to bake a pro KKK cake. I would not refuse to bake a birthday cake for a customer who was a member of the KKK. See the difference?

Yeah and that's the difference the SCOTUS struck. What's so confusing for you?

 

[martybegan]

Either a business owner can deny service for any reason or he can't.

You have to pick one.

If some religious nut says he can't do business with gays because of religion then people should be able to refuse service to religious people if they want to.

If a hairdresser doesn't want to do business with people she thinks are delusional what's the big deal?

It's not a zero sum game. lines can be drawn.

Should a woman be forced to give a bikini wax to a trans woman that still has their twig and berries?

What about having to wax the balls?

 

[Couchpotato]

Wedding cakes are generic they all basically look the same.

Unless you ask for something specific which was the case in the Colorado baker's case. He's stated numerous times he would be more than happy to bake a cake for a gay couple, he just drew the line at baking the specific cake they asked for.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

This is the kind of discrimination that is wrong and, if I understand the SC ruling correctly, unlawful. She is doing people's hair and is open to the public. This does not involve speech on her part. In fact, there is no reason at all for her to endorse these folks' sexuality in using her speech. She is coloring and cutting their hair. Unless you want to be completely untamed I guess, everyone needs their hair tended.

A hair salon owner in Michigan has vowed to ban certain members of the LGBTQ+ community who specify their pronouns, saying they are 'not welcome' at her salon.

'If a human identifies as anything other than a man/woman, please seek services at a local pet groomer,' Studio 8 Hair Lab owner Christine Geiger wrote on Facebook.

Geiger wrote that she was simply exercising her right to 'free speech' as well as her ability as a business owner to 'refuse services' to certain customers.

Hair salon owner vows to ban customers who specify their pronouns

It should be her choice to serve who she wishes to. They aren't buying a product the are utilizing her "services"

If she doesn't want freaks in her chair so be it. Let the public decide if she's gone too far.

 

[Couchpotato]

Wedding cakes are generic they all basically look the same.

Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"The case dealt with Masterpiece Cakeshop, a bakery in Lakewood, Colorado, which refused to design a custom wedding cake for a gay couple based on the owner's religious beliefs. "

 

[Hellbilly]

Yeah and that's the difference the SCOTUS struck. What's so confusing for you?

It's the difference you fail to see in post # 74

 

[Couchpotato]

It's the difference you fail to see in post # 74

See post 89 dummy

 

[Hellbilly]

See post 89 dummy

I was talking about your post #74. Address that, idiot.

 

[Couchpotato]

I was talking about your post #74. Address that, idiot.

It's the exact case I was talking about. LOL

 

[Hellbilly]

It's the exact case I was talking about. LOL

Post 74 had 4 different scenarios.

 

[Couchpotato]

Post 74 had 4 different scenarios.

It's all the same thing. A person who owns a business which falls under the public accommodation laws cant refuse to sell an item or service to someone that they provide to everyone else, but can refuse to create a custom item or service based on their beliefs.

So a black baker cant sell KKK cakes to their black customers and refuse to sell them to their white ones. Or vice versa. They can refuse to create and sell a KKK cake to everyone.
Same applies to the Jewish baker, or the Muslim baker. And much to your chagrin the Christian one too.

 

[Hellbilly]

It's all the same thing. A person who owns a business which falls under the public accommodation laws cant refuse to sell an item or service to someone that they provide to everyone else, but can refuse to create a custom item or service based on their beliefs.

So a black baker cant sell KKK cakes to their black customers and refuse to sell them to their white ones. Or vice versa. They can refuse to create and sell a KKK cake to everyone.
Same applies to the Jewish baker, or the Muslim baker. And much to your chagrin the Christian one too.

It's not all the same thing. My point which flew by you was the difference between refusing to sell an offensive item versus selling to an item to an entire group of same minded people.
Any of this sinking in?

 

[d0gbreath]

She, and I suppose others, are doing it for the publicity to bring in more business. Piss on a small, not liked group, and reap the benefits from other haters.

 

[Resnic]

Except that's not what the ruling said, nor what it was based on.

The ruling being spoken about in that article is what said, hence my quote from the article.

 

[Lesh]

I don't think it's that difficult to understand.

You can't force people to speechify on that to which they're morally opposed or create things for EVENTS which violate their religious beliefs.

That is fair, all the way around. So the Muslim doesn't have to bake a cake with a picture of Mohammad on it, and a Jew doesn't have to bake a cake for a Nazi rally.

Just banning groups of people because you don't like them or disagree with them is what's wrong.

Either a lot of people are frankly too stupid to understand this OR

They are playing stupid.

So in your mind if a tranny comes on for a hair styling the stylist should have to serve her.

But if in the course of that work it comes out that the tranny is getting her hair done for a special occasion(her marriage) it would be ok to deny service based on that???

 

[SweetSue92]

people have a right to express themselves how they say fit,

gay people, if they decide to identify as a class, then we have a right to deny them our personal attention, our personal labor.

you do not have a right to force me to do anything,

Sure the govt does. If you "choose" to drive a car, you're going to be required to:

1. Get a license
2. Show proof of registration
3. Show proof of insurance

If you choose to open a business, you're going to have to adhere to your state's and nation's public accommodation laws.

If you don't like those laws, lobby Congress to repeal them. And good luck.