Millions Of Electric Car Batteries Retiring By 2030, Are We Ready To Deal With What Could Be Ticking Time Bombs?

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Millions Of Electric Car Batteries Retiring By 2030, Are We Ready To Deal With What Could Be Ticking Time Bombs?
10 Sep 2022 ~~ By Autumn Spreadmann

The evolving landscape of lithium batteries is creating both contradictions and infrastructure hurdles that, according to some, need to be addressed sooner rather than later. A critical component of this is waste management.
More than 6 million electric vehicle (EV) battery packs will end up as scrap between now and 2030, and the recycling and reuse industries are racing to keep up. Some researchers project that recycling alone will be an over $12 billion industry by 2025.
U.S. President Joe Biden wants to make America a key player in the EV battery industry with a $3.1 billion spending package for automobile production to transition away from fossil fuels.
Much of this dream is pinned on a dusty stretch of soil in the Nevada high desert called Thacker Pass. It serves as the lynchpin in Biden’s push for increased domestic lithium production and more EV batteries. That’s because Thacker Pass is the largest hard rock lithium reserve in the United States.
Currently, China dominates the world’s EV battery production, with more than 80 percent of all units developed there.
Yet while Biden’s administration has its sights on the top spot for EV battery production, insiders are pointing out industry trapdoors.
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Thacker Pass, Nev., has the largest hard rock lithium reserve in the United States. (Lithium Americas)
Due to the potentially dangerous chemistry of lithium-ion EV units, concrete solutions are needed before an avalanche of dead battery packs ends up sitting around and waiting for recycling like ticking time bombs.
Those working on the sales end of the EV revolution tend to squirm or offer vague generalities when queried about what will happen to all of the old batteries.
The notion is quickly lumped into the very broad category of recycling or second life applications without offering any planning details.
Second life applications are an option for EV batteries no longer fit to power cars, but are suitable for alternative uses like energy storage.
And while that’s a start, the ultimate question lingers: How can America effectively deal with millions of completely spent, defective, or recalled EV units?
For people who specialize in hazardous waste, handling lithium batteries is a serious subject.

A ‘Thermal Runaway’​

“The packing and logistics isn’t easy or cheap,” Thibodeau said.
Moreover, the batteries pose a significant fire hazard.
Tucked within the sprawling Chicago suburbs is the town of Morris, Illinois. Around midday on Jun. 29, 2021, the fire department received a call that a warehouse fire had broken out in a structure that many residents assumed was just an abandoned building. The call came from someone who claimed to be an employee for a company that was storing 200,000 pounds of batteries in the building, most of which were lithium.
Fire Chief Tracey Steffes told reporters that it was the first time his department had ever fought a lithium fire.
Mitigating traditional fires is done by using water or chemicals to cut off the supply of oxygen. However, lithium is unique in that it doesn’t require oxygen to burn. Once ignited, it creates what Thibodeau called a “thermal runaway,” which is incredibly challenging to control.

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Not to worry, the EPA will pass revisions to 40 CFR Part 273 regarding disposal of Li batts that will raise the cost of disposal and the overall price of EV's and all products using Li Batts.
First off, the cars don't last as long as ICE vehicles, because it costs significant amounts to replace the battery after 80-100,000 miles. When the cars get older, they won't be worth replacing the batteries - the whole car will get junked early.
Secondly, no one has considered the cost and energy required to recycle or disposal of the batteries - that kills any efficiency gained over the life of the vehicle.
EV's are a disaster and anybody that has a jalf a brain and thinkslogically knows that.
 
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Sh.h..h...h...:eusa_shhh: You're getting ahead of the next national emergency that'll cost trillions of dollars to solve.

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So Biden wants to mine lithium in Nevada (good luck with the wacky leftoids on that).

Lithium mining is a filthy business as is the processing of lithium. It is simply maniacal with the guy and the dumb-ass greenies. There are in fact more environmental problems with all the mining and refining of these minerals used in so-called green energy than in oil and NG production and use.

In the immortal word of Al Sharpton, resist we much.
 
So Biden wants to mine lithium in Nevada (good luck with the wacky leftoids on that).

Lithium mining is a filthy business as is the processing of lithium. It is simply maniacal with the guy and the dumb-ass greenies. There are in fact more environmental problems with all the mining and refining of these minerals used in so-called green energy than in oil and NG production and use.

In the immortal word of Al Sharpton, resist we much.
Yup they will use up all the water in the desert for the lithium mine, the Indians and farmers will be hung out to dry.

Funny thing is it still won’t be near enough lithium to make EV batteries for every American. There isn’t enough lithium and cobalt in the world. Most of it is owned by China too.

This is the biggest hoax, and we’re dumping so much money into it.
 
I never understood anyone using the Epoch times as a link when the paper doesn't let you read it without a subscription!

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I didn't subscribe to E.T., I pulled this off the Freeper.
Doesn't make any difference though. The article speaks true.
In the day, my job was Regulatory Affairs and Compliance. I worked in the electronics industry and we then had problems with disposal of carbon, Mercury and Ni-Cad batteries.
It took time and effort but the industry was able to set up recycling and disposal systems.
Guess where those dead batteries were sent. You got it China.
There's also the other side to lithium ming.

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Probably not. This version of powering cars is not the final one, and we're acting like it is. The weaknesses of this system are glaring.

We keep looking for band aids, quick fixes. We have to keep any ideas comparatively simple and short term in scope, because we've lost the capacity to communicate, collaborate and innovate -- the qualities that made us exceptional.
 
Ignorant fools ... how many lead/acid batteries will be disposed of in the next eight years? ... extra credit: how many are thrown in the rivers ...

Maybe ya'll ate too many lithium chips as babies ... [giggle] ... but seriously, why do you-uns think think steel and copper mining is so much cleaner than brine processing? ... California is going to MAKE you walk to work, whether you like it or not ... all hail King Newsom ...
 

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Lead/acid batteries in the landfill are safer? ...
 


How extreme is the disparity between lithium and lead batteries? In 2021, the average price of one metric ton of battery-grade lithium carbonate was $17,000 compared to $2,425 for lead North American markets, and raw materials now account for over half of battery cost, according to a 2021 report by the International Energy Agency (IEA).
Despite the smaller supply of lithium, a study earlier this year in the Journal of the Indian Institute of Science found that less than 1 percent of Lithium-ion batteries get recycled in the US and EU compared to 99 percent of lead-acid batteries, which are most often used in gas vehicles and power grids.


“Every time you buy a battery for your car, you have to give the whole battery back, and then it goes into the recycling chain,” said Nikhil Gupta, lead author of the study and a professor of mechanical engineering at the Tandon School of Engineering at New York University. This hasn’t worked for lithium batteries, partly because so many formats exist. “These batteries are all over the place in different sizes,” he said. A related challenge is that the technology for lithium batteries changes rapidly — every one to two years, he said.


If current trends for handling these spent batteries hold, most of those batteries may end up in landfills even though Li-ion batteries can be recycled. These popular power packs contain valuable metals and other materials that can be recovered, processed, and reused. But very little recycling goes on today. In Australia, for example, only 2–3% of Li-ion batteries are collected and sent offshore for recycling, according to Naomi J. Boxall, an environmental scientist at Australia’s Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO). The recycling rates in the European Union and the US—less than 5%—aren’t much higher.
Most of the batteries that do get recycled undergo a high-temperature melting-and-extraction, or smelting, process similar to ones used in the mining industry. Those operations, which are carried out in large commercial facilities—for example, in Asia, Europe, and Canada—are energy intensive. The plants are also costly to build and operate and require sophisticated equipment to treat harmful emissions generated by the smelting process. And despite the high costs, these plants don’t recover all valuable battery materials
 
Foo [ 'Bar' ] ... and you say my spelting is bad ...

Are EVs bad where electricity is strictly hydro? ... progestive places that have been requiring 200-amp electric services these past fifty years ... (for the hot tubs folks wanted) ...
I never said EV's were bad. There is a niche. It's not as a replacement for ICE vehicles. What's bad is idiots trying to force square pegs in round holes.
 
No.
Every auto parts store takes lead-acid batteries, free.
No excuse for dumping it.

UNLESS, you want to be a dickhead.

Same is true for lithium batteries ... all batteries are free to recycle here ... but far and away the biggest loads are from lead/acid batteries ... this is like being completely infested with fleas and complaining of a few ticks ... lithium battery recycling is easy compared to recycling lead/acid batteries ...

Are you recycling lightbulbs? ... or are you just throwing all that mercury into your landfill? ... maybe lead and lithium in the environment isn't our biggest problem ... obesity is, so ride a bike to work, fatso ... either you believe in 90% fewer passenger vehicles on the road or you're a PIG ... P-I-G ... PIG ...
 
I never said EV's were bad. There is a niche. It's not as a replacement for ICE vehicles. What's bad is idiots trying to force square pegs in round holes.

We're getting rid of piston engine cars ... and I can't for the life of me understand why you include jet engines here ... that's not an economical way to power passenger vehicles ... either way, the replacement is bicycles, skateboards and just simply walking ... do we as a species remember walking? ...

California has square holes ... the square pegs are fitting fine ... it's everybody else who has a problem now ...
 
We're getting rid of piston engine cars ... and I can't for the life of me understand why you include jet engines here ... that's not an economical way to power passenger vehicles ... either way, the replacement is bicycles, skateboards and just simply walking ... do we as a species remember walking? ...

California has square holes ... the square pegs are fitting fine ... it's everybody else who has a problem now ...
Settle down.
 

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