More History Before 1967

[Hyrcanus]

Where does it mention that Israel is inside Palestine ?

Israel is within the borders of historic Palestine, and the borders of the former Palestine Mandate.

 

[toastman]

I'm asking for documented information that says that

 

[Hyrcanus]

I'm asking for documented information that says that

You want proof that modern-day Israel is within the borders of the former Palestine Mandate?

are you serious?

 

[toastman]

Are you serious ?

 

[Hyrcanus]

Modern day Israel is within the boundaries of the former Palestine Mandate.

This is not debatable.

 

[toastman]

The Mandate ended long ago. Keep up

 

[Hyrcanus]

The Mandate ended long ago. Keep up

Yes, we know that.

But modern-day Israel lies within the borders of what was the Palestine Mandate.

However, many right-wing Zionists argue that the Jewish settlement provisions of the Palestine Mandate are still in affect.

You guys can't have it both ways.

 

[toastman]

Tinmore is suggesting something else.

 

[Hyrcanus]

Tinmore is suggesting something else.

what is he suggesting?

that Israel lies within the borders of Historic Palestine?

well, that's somewhat true.

Though some maps of Historic Palestine don't go further south than Beersheba.

 

[toastman]

Tinmore is saying that ALL of Israel is occupying all of Palestine

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Tinmore is saying that ALL of Israel is occupying all of Palestine

With that attitude, he'll never get an inch for his people. Then again, this is all a philosophical/abstract kind of debate for him.

 

[toastman]

Tinmore is saying that ALL of Israel is occupying all of Palestine

With that attitude, he'll never get an inch for his people. Then again, this is all a philosophical/abstract kind of debate for him.

He really does a great job in making the pro - Palestinians look bad.

 

[Hyrcanus]

Tinmore is saying that ALL of Israel is occupying all of Palestine

Israel controls all of Mandate Palestine.

This is a fact.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Modern day Israel is within the boundaries of the former Palestine Mandate.

This is not debatable.

Even the term "former Palestine mandate" is misleading. It gives the false impression that Palestine no longer exists. The mandate was an administration that was assigned to Palestine. It had no land or borders of its own. When the mandate left Palestine, Palestine was still there and its international borders remained unchanged.

 

[Hyrcanus]

Even the term "former Palestine mandate" is misleading. It gives the false impression that Palestine no longer exists. The mandate was an administration that was assigned to Palestine. It had no land or borders of its own. When the mandate left Palestine, Palestine was still there and its international borders remained unchanged.

In 1949, Palestine ceased to exist in any legal or administrative form.

It had no internationally recognized borders, as the new state of Israel, recognized by the UNGA, took away most of those borders.

Palestine has historic borders, just as the Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian Empires do, but they have no current legal borders.

That's unless you consider the West Bank to be the State of Palestine, which many nations agree with.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Even the term "former Palestine mandate" is misleading. It gives the false impression that Palestine no longer exists. The mandate was an administration that was assigned to Palestine. It had no land or borders of its own. When the mandate left Palestine, Palestine was still there and its international borders remained unchanged.

In 1949, Palestine ceased to exist in any legal or administrative form.

It had no internationally recognized borders, as the new state of Israel, recognized by the UNGA, took away most of those borders.

Palestine has historic borders, just as the Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian Empires do, but they have no current legal borders.

That's unless you consider the West Bank to be the State of Palestine, which many nations agree with.

I disagree.

The 1949 armistice agreements (that Israel signed) called the place Palestine. In the agreements with Jordan and with Egypt, the Negev was specifically called Palestine. In many places Palestine's international borders were used to reference where armistice lines were drawn. Since the armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial borders they did not change Palestine's borders.

Of course these agreements were made after the end of the mandate, after resolution 181, after Israel was declared, and after the 1948 war so this was Palestine's status after all that.

 

[MJB12741]

Get serious. Had the Palestinians accepted resolution 181 as Israel did, the Palestinians would have already had their own Palestinian State. By voting against it the Palestinians made it non binding & sealed their own fate. It's called Palestinian mentality.

Even the term "former Palestine mandate" is misleading. It gives the false impression that Palestine no longer exists. The mandate was an administration that was assigned to Palestine. It had no land or borders of its own. When the mandate left Palestine, Palestine was still there and its international borders remained unchanged.

In 1949, Palestine ceased to exist in any legal or administrative form.

It had no internationally recognized borders, as the new state of Israel, recognized by the UNGA, took away most of those borders.

Palestine has historic borders, just as the Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian Empires do, but they have no current legal borders.

That's unless you consider the West Bank to be the State of Palestine, which many nations agree with.

I disagree.

The 1949 armistice agreements (that Israel signed) called the place Palestine. In the agreements with Jordan and with Egypt, the Negev was specifically called Palestine. In many places Palestine's international borders were used to reference where armistice lines were drawn. Since the armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial borders they did not change Palestine's borders.

Of course these agreements were made after the end of the mandate, after resolution 181, after Israel was declared, and after the 1948 war so this was Palestine's status after all that.

 

[Hyrcanus]

I disagree.

The 1949 armistice agreements (that Israel signed) called the place Palestine. In the agreements with Jordan and with Egypt, the Negev was specifically called Palestine. In many places Palestine's international borders were used to reference where armistice lines were drawn. Since the armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial borders they did not change Palestine's borders.

Of course these agreements were made after the end of the mandate, after resolution 181, after Israel was declared, and after the 1948 war so this was Palestine's status after all that.

What are the internationally recognized borders of Palestine?

 

[P F Tinmore]

I disagree.

The 1949 armistice agreements (that Israel signed) called the place Palestine. In the agreements with Jordan and with Egypt, the Negev was specifically called Palestine. In many places Palestine's international borders were used to reference where armistice lines were drawn. Since the armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial borders they did not change Palestine's borders.

Of course these agreements were made after the end of the mandate, after resolution 181, after Israel was declared, and after the 1948 war so this was Palestine's status after all that.

What are the internationally recognized borders of Palestine?

From what I can tell they are the same as they have been since 1922.

 

[toastman]

I disagree.

The 1949 armistice agreements (that Israel signed) called the place Palestine. In the agreements with Jordan and with Egypt, the Negev was specifically called Palestine. In many places Palestine's international borders were used to reference where armistice lines were drawn. Since the armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial borders they did not change Palestine's borders.

Of course these agreements were made after the end of the mandate, after resolution 181, after Israel was declared, and after the 1948 war so this was Palestine's status after all that.

What are the internationally recognized borders of Palestine?

From what I can tell they are the same as they have been since 1922.

What are TODAY'S internationally recognized border of Palestine ?