Zone1 Mormons are fine, but I have to call BS on the golden plates story.

[surada]

you keep claiming, like a retard, that the book of Abraham was from the book of the dead. Which is IMPOSSIBLE because the book of the dead was FOUND after the book of Abraham you moron and you have been told that repeatedly.

The Book of the Dead was found in the middle ages.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The Book of the Dead, also called "the Book of Breathing" was written two thousand years before Joseph Smith's fabrication called "the Book of Abraham."

and it wasnt FOUND until after Smith was translating and finished his book. you fucking retard.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The Book of the Dead was found in the middle ages.

Not according to what was posted here in this thread. go ahead link to when it was found and then explain why it sat for hundreds of years undeciphered

 

[surada]

you keep claiming, like a retard, that the book of Abraham was from the book of the dead. Which is IMPOSSIBLE because the book of the dead was FOUND after the book of Abraham you moron and you have been told that repeatedly.

The Book of the Dead was found in the middle ages.

and it wasnt FOUND until after Smith was translating and finished his book. you fucking retard.

It was found in the middle ages.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The Book of the Dead was found in the middle ages.

It was found in the middle ages.

Just did my own search according to the internet the book of the dead was found in 1888.

 

[surada]

Just did my own search according to the internet the book of the dead was found in 1888.

Many copies of the Book of the Dead have been found since the middle ages.

Book of the Dead | ancient Egyptian text

Book of the Dead, ancient Egyptian collection of mortuary texts made up of spells or magic formulas, placed in tombs and believed to protect and aid the deceased in the hereafter. Probably compiled and reedited during the 16th century bce, the collection included Coffin Texts dating from c...

www.britannica.com

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Just did my own search according to the internet the book of the dead was found in 1888.

The first translation of anything like the book of the dead was 1842 the same year Smith did his book of Abraham. So according to you retards Smith had and translated a book before anyone else but didnt take credit for it.

from wiki

The existence of the Book of the Dead was known as early as the Middle Ages, well before its contents could be understood. Since it was found in tombs, it was evidently a document of a religious nature, and this led to the widespread but mistaken belief that the Book of the Dead was the equivalent of a Bible or Qur'an.[62][63]

In 1842 Karl Richard Lepsius published a translation of a manuscript dated to the Ptolemaic era and coined the name "Book of The Dead" (das Todtenbuch). He also introduced the spell numbering system which is still in use, identifying 165 different spells.[15] Lepsius promoted the idea of a comparative edition of the Book of the Dead, drawing on all relevant manuscripts. This project was undertaken by Édouard Naville, starting in 1875 and completed in 1886, producing a three-volume work including a selection of vignettes for every one of the 186 spells he worked with, the more significant variations of the text for every spell, and commentary. In 1867 Samuel Birch of the British Museum published the first extensive English translation.[64] In 1876 he published a photographic copy of the Papyrus of Nebseny.[65]

Book of the Dead - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Hector12]

and it wasnt FOUND until after Smith was translating and finished his book. you fucking retard.

Of what significance is that? What matters is that the ancient Egyptian manuscript from which Joseph Smith claimed to translate the Book of Abraham was really the Book of the Dead, which is also called the Book of Breathing. It does not matter when it was found. What matters is when it was written.

 

[Hector12]

The Book of the Dead was found in the middle ages.

And it was written over a thousand years earlier.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

1600 BC

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Book of the Dead chapters and spells were first written down on papyrus around 1600 BC.

Ancient Egyptian History for Kids: Book of the Dead - Ducksters​

www.ducksters.com/history/ancient_egypt/book_of_the_dead.php

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Of what significance is that? What matters is that the ancient Egyptian manuscript from which Joseph Smith claimed to translate the Book of Abraham was really the Book of the Dead, which is also called the Book of Breathing. It does not matter when it was found. What matters is when it was written.

Explain slowly for the class how smith translated something that hadnt been translated before? Or found?

 

[surada]

Explain slowly for the class how smith translated something that hadnt been translated before? Or found?

It was first translated in 1842.. with a complete translation 30 years later. Are you familiar with the contents? The only translations I'm familiar with are those of Noah Kramer, but it seems to me that some later translations are more comprehensive than earlier ones. Even now scholars are studying the Ugarit tablets found at Ras Shamra.. they are so much earlier and help with translations of the Old Testament.

 

[onefour1]

Joseph Smith never claimed he translated the Book of Abraham from the fragments that remained and were found in the NY Museum. He had in his possession much more that was eventually sold and then burned in the Chicago Museum which burned in 1871.

"After the Latter-day Saints left Nauvoo, the Egyptian artifacts remained behind. Joseph Smith’s family sold the papyri and the mummies in 1856. The papyri were divided up and sold to various parties; historians believe that most were destroyed in the Great Chicago Fire of 1871. Ten papyrus fragments once in Joseph Smith’s possession ended up in the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York City.24 In 1967, the museum transferred these fragments to the Church, which subsequently published them in the Church’s magazine, the Improvement Era. 25"

from Translation and Historicity of the Book of Abraham

 

[surada]

Joseph Smith never claimed he translated the Book of Abraham from the fragments that remained and were found in the NY Museum. He had in his possession much more that was eventually sold and then burned in the Chicago Museum which burned in 1871.

"After the Latter-day Saints left Nauvoo, the Egyptian artifacts remained behind. Joseph Smith’s family sold the papyri and the mummies in 1856. The papyri were divided up and sold to various parties; historians believe that most were destroyed in the Great Chicago Fire of 1871. Ten papyrus fragments once in Joseph Smith’s possession ended up in the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York City.24 In 1967, the museum transferred these fragments to the Church, which subsequently published them in the Church’s magazine, the Improvement Era. 25"

from Translation and Historicity of the Book of Abraham

There were many ancient copies of the Book of the Dead. Another was found in the past decade in a tomb in Egypt. I think Joseph Smith was a charismatic con man like Ron Wyatt.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

There were many ancient copies of the Book of the Dead. Another was found in the past decade in a tomb in Egypt. I think Joseph Smith was a charismatic con man like Ron Wyatt.

you wouldnt know the truth if it shit down your throat

 

[Hector12]

Explain slowly for the class how smith translated something that hadnt been translated before? Or found?

That is my point. Joseph Smith did not translate it. The Book of Abraham is a fraud.

 

[Hector12]

There were many ancient copies of the Book of the Dead. Another was found in the past decade in a tomb in Egypt. I think Joseph Smith was a charismatic con man like Ron Wyatt.

Joseph Smith was also a pedophile. Many of his "wives" were underage girls.

 

[Hector12]

you wouldnt know the truth if it shit down your throat

You are out of the Marine Corps Sarge. That kind of language does not impress people here.

 

[surada]

you wouldnt know the truth if it shit down your throat

Now you show your true colors, loser.

 

[surada]

Joseph Smith was also a pedophile. Many of his "wives" were underage girls.

Great gig if you can get it. David Koresh had the same religious thing going so he could molest young girls.