‘My life is over’: 21-year-old Charlottesville marcher whines

[bripat9643]

Yes, ruin his life, exile him form society, make sure he will never work again, cut him off from friends and family,


perfect.


If your desire is to radicalize him.

So what do you suggest society do with white supremacist roaches like this young man?

What should we do with you, Nazi douche bag?

 

[Divine Wind]

...NO one was justified in being murdered. There is still such a thing as personal responsibility, especially in this day and age of terrorist attacks such as the one in Barcellona.

You've seen this historic photo a thousand times. The young man in the photo was an innocent bystander who was simply trying to cross the street.

Correct. Fields, IMO, will be tried for First Degree Murder. If more people die from their injuries, he will never breath free air again.

This wasn't Kuhn's first rodeo. He was an active participate in this and other pro-White Supremacist and Nazi rallies. If a Liberal nutjob ran him down, they too should be tried for murder since, like Fields, "NO one was justified in being murdered".

Please tell me that there are parts of your city or town where you would not go for a stroll. Same with demonstrations today. My profession, next to law enforcement is one of the most dangerous in the country. When training new agents, especially the women, I would tell them before getting into a situation, ask yourself, what would my Mom say? I say it today!...

Of course. OTOH, how does that justify being murdered for it? Would it still be a crime to be murdered in a "bad area" of town? Yes, it would.

 

[Divine Wind]

Nazis were able to gain as much power as they did because of appeasement by neighboring German countries and the US ignoring what was happening in Germany.

OMFG. Fucking liberals. You're actually blaming Hitler on the United States?

Sweetie, one of the reasons Hitler came to power was because of how the Euro Treaty of Versailles devastated and collapsed Germany. The US was not a signatory of the ToV nor required to enforce it. The Euros were the ones to failed to enforce it and appeased Germany. Ever read about Chamberlain's Munich Agreement? The phrase "Peace for our time"? If not, please do some reading.

One reason the US was so late in both WWI and WWII was because it was extremely isolationist. Yet you seem to be advocating the US should not be isolationist. This requires a great military power, something the Liberals always bitch about. Please explain the discrepancy.

Hitler declared war on the US.

Yes...right after the US declared war on Japan. It was in all the papers.

How does that make the US responsible for Germany's rise to power as Nia88 asserted?

 

[Divine Wind]

Yeah, because these doxers are ALWAYs right in who they supposedly identify.

Charlottesville doxing campaign results in wrong man receiving death threats

You are just like your ideological ancestors in the French Revolution, "Execute them all just to make sure we get the few bad ones!"

Amazing how the Nazis keep praising the royalty in the French Revolution.
They liked British rule at the American Revolution, too.

Where are the fucking Nazis praising the French Revolution?

Agreed that many authoritarians here, be they LW or RW, would have been fucking Tories during the Revolution.

 

[Divine Wind]

Yes...right after the US declared war on Japan. It was in all the papers.

How does that make the US responsible for Germany's rise to power as Nia88 asserted?

I didn't say US was solely responsible for WWII. If US would have stepped in before and not rejected holocaust refugees, it wouldn't have gotten so bad.

So you support the US military budget so we can "step in" before things get too bad? What countries should the US "step in" to these days? Iran? North Korea? China? Russia? Ukraine? Please let me know.

 

[Political Junky]

Yeah, because these doxers are ALWAYs right in who they supposedly identify.

Charlottesville doxing campaign results in wrong man receiving death threats

You are just like your ideological ancestors in the French Revolution, "Execute them all just to make sure we get the few bad ones!"

Amazing how the Nazis keep praising the royalty in the French Revolution.
They liked British rule at the American Revolution, too.

Where are the fucking Nazis praising the French Revolution?

Agreed that many authoritarians here, be they LW or RW, would have been fucking Tories during the Revolution.

Read some history.

 

[Nia88]

Nazis were able to gain as much power as they did because of appeasement by neighboring German countries and the US ignoring what was happening in Germany.

OMFG. Fucking liberals. You're actually blaming Hitler on the United States?

Sweetie, one of the reasons Hitler came to power was because of how the Euro Treaty of Versailles devastated and collapsed Germany. The US was not a signatory of the ToV nor required to enforce it. The Euros were the ones to failed to enforce it and appeased Germany. Ever read about Chamberlain's Munich Agreement? The phrase "Peace for our time"? If not, please do some reading.

One reason the US was so late in both WWI and WWII was because it was extremely isolationist. Yet you seem to be advocating the US should not be isolationist. This requires a great military power, something the Liberals always bitch about. Please explain the discrepancy.

Hitler declared war on the US.

Yes...right after the US declared war on Japan. It was in all the papers.

How does that make the US responsible for Germany's rise to power as Nia88 asserted?

Never said US was solely responsible for WWII. But they ignored the holocaust that was going on in Germany. Many holocaust victims were refused entry into the US. They could have at least helped the victims.

 

[Divine Wind]

Yeah, because these doxers are ALWAYs right in who they supposedly identify.

Charlottesville doxing campaign results in wrong man receiving death threats

You are just like your ideological ancestors in the French Revolution, "Execute them all just to make sure we get the few bad ones!"

Amazing how the Nazis keep praising the royalty in the French Revolution.
They liked British rule at the American Revolution, too.

Where are the fucking Nazis praising the French Revolution?

Agreed that many authoritarians here, be they LW or RW, would have been fucking Tories during the Revolution.

Read some history.

I have. Why are you dodging the question about your assertion that "the Nazis keep praising the royalty in the French Revolution.
They liked British rule at the American Revolution, too"?

 

[Nia88]

Yes...right after the US declared war on Japan. It was in all the papers.

How does that make the US responsible for Germany's rise to power as Nia88 asserted?

I didn't say US was solely responsible for WWII. If US would have stepped in before and not rejected holocaust refugees, it wouldn't have gotten so bad.

So you support the US military budget so we can "step in" before things get too bad? What countries should the US "step in" to these days? Iran? North Korea? China? Russia? Ukraine? Please let me know.

There was an ethnic genocide going on. Germany was also taking over other countries. You cannot compare the holocaust to Iran and China. Yeah they have oppressive laws but they aren't making pillows out of people's hair or sending folks to gas chambers.

 

[Divine Wind]

Nazis were able to gain as much power as they did because of appeasement by neighboring German countries and the US ignoring what was happening in Germany.

OMFG. Fucking liberals. You're actually blaming Hitler on the United States?

Sweetie, one of the reasons Hitler came to power was because of how the Euro Treaty of Versailles devastated and collapsed Germany. The US was not a signatory of the ToV nor required to enforce it. The Euros were the ones to failed to enforce it and appeased Germany. Ever read about Chamberlain's Munich Agreement? The phrase "Peace for our time"? If not, please do some reading.

One reason the US was so late in both WWI and WWII was because it was extremely isolationist. Yet you seem to be advocating the US should not be isolationist. This requires a great military power, something the Liberals always bitch about. Please explain the discrepancy.

Hitler declared war on the US.

Yes...right after the US declared war on Japan. It was in all the papers.

How does that make the US responsible for Germany's rise to power as Nia88 asserted?

Never said US was solely responsible for WWII. But they ignored the holocaust that was going on in Germany. Many holocaust victims were refused entry into the US. They could have at least helped the victims.

Thanks for stepping back from your assertion that the US was responsible for the fucking Nazis rise to power.

Nazis were able to gain as much power as they did because of appeasement by neighboring German countries and the US ignoring what was happening in Germany.

 

[Divine Wind]

Let this be a lesson to all the other Nazis in training that white supremacy will not be tolerated in this country.

What will you tolerate in this country?

Also will you support my right to fire any BLM members?

BLM isn't founded on black supremacy. Nazis are founded in hate and racism.

Now if a BLM was caught chanting hateful chants, then an employer has the right and should fire them.

Not "black supremacy", just good old fashioned racism. Again, do you agree that employers have the right to not hire or fire racists? Yes or no please.

 

[Correll]

You want to bet the lives of your fellow citizens, that he will just meekly wallow in his shit life?

If he's a conservative, that's what he'll do. He'll spend the rest of his days talking about how everyone else is at fault for what he did.

If he acts like a liberal, he'll take responsibility, try to turn his life around, and demonstrate repentance. And the liberals will encourage him.

More importantly, however, is that thousands of young men who were being tempted by the dark side now see what consequences that brings, and will now turn away from the dark side.

 

[Correll]

Let me get this straight, you are comparing geopolitics and realpolik to a kid at a protest, is that correct?

As I parse the simple English, I see that's not at all what he said.

So, you created a false equivalency, apparently because you couldn't address his actual point.

That point would be that ignoring Nazis is not harmless. The fascists were considered to be a joke in Europe, up until they weren't.

You messed up my quote. That was not me.

 

[Divine Wind]

Yes...right after the US declared war on Japan. It was in all the papers.

How does that make the US responsible for Germany's rise to power as Nia88 asserted?

I didn't say US was solely responsible for WWII. If US would have stepped in before and not rejected holocaust refugees, it wouldn't have gotten so bad.

So you support the US military budget so we can "step in" before things get too bad? What countries should the US "step in" to these days? Iran? North Korea? China? Russia? Ukraine? Please let me know.

There was an ethnic genocide going on. Germany was also taking over other countries. You cannot compare the holocaust to Iran and China. Yeah they have oppressive laws but they aren't making pillows out of people's hair or sending folks to gas chambers.

The US knew there was persecution of Jews, homosexuals, socialists and other people seen by the fucking Nazis as "undesireables", but we didn't know how bad was until the US liberated the Nazi death camps.

Again, are you saying we should invade any country seen as oppressing people or committing genocide? Rwanda? Bosnia/Serbia? The Chinese have been imprisoning and killing members of Falun Gong for decades. Why haven't we invaded yet?

| Freedom House
Falun Gong practitioners across China are subject to widespread surveillance, arbitrary detention, imprisonment, and torture, and they are at a high risk of extrajudicial execution.

Prisoners in China had their livers, kidneys and corneas ripped while ALIVE | Daily Mail Online

• Tens of thousands of people have been killed in China so their organs can be sold to 'transplant tourists', claims documentary
• Those allegedly killed belonged to repressed Falun Gong spiritual practice
• Rumours surfaced in 2006 and investigators claim evidence is 'very strong'
• Film offers first full examination into why allegations aren't taken seriously

 

[Correll]

One data point? Not very convincing.

Not one data point, but millions. Only the fringe nutjobs, a few thousand, participate in this shit. Even if a few of those Fields ran down were completely innocent bystanders, in the future, it will only be the nutjobs....including Jerrod Kuhn, just like he's done before.
...

Not following you.

There have been times in history, when these types of movement instead of remaining small, or whithering away, instead grew and become more violent causing terrible harm.


What leads you to conclude that it is not possible at this time?

Agreed, but notice that those events took specific requirements to come to fruition. Look at Germany after WWI; the Treaty of Versailles not only put the entire fault of the war on Germany, but made them pay for it. The Treaty broke the economy of Germany. It was such overkill that the US refused to sign it.

Germany, destitute from the Treaty, missing an entire generation of young men and much of the country shattered was in severe pain. Out of chaos comes order; usually not the good kind either. The US was unique in having a revolution which didn't turn into a dictatorship. France wasn't so lucky and Germany's conditions were ripe for a dictator.

The US today doesn't have those conditions. Most people are happy at home but uncertain about the future, especially for their children. They have jobs (that don't pay well, but pay), they have homes (not the greatest, but secure) and they have both food and entertainment. You won't see a fucking Nazi or Socialist Party takeover of the US until current conditions in the US are more like Germany in the early 1920s.

IMO, we are headed in that direction, and ever step in that direction that can be avoided, or reversed is a good thing.

Disagreed for exactly the same reasons why I disagree with the LWLs that the US is turning into the Fourth Reich. Only fucking morons and extremists believe American citizens are so stupid or lack faith in the American way of life.

THe Political Class lacks faith in the American way of life. Note their behavior in the last election when both parties were trying to avoid the primary candidate with the most support.


The Left certainly lacks faith in the American Way of life. Note their support for the Marxist Antifa.


The Right, has reason to worry that the American Way of life will be taken from them, if present trends continue. If Texas goes blue, the Two Party System is effectively over, and Traditional Middle America will be permanently marginalized.

 

[Correll]

Because it is hard to tell intent from watching someone from a distance.

Even if you have someone in the room, they might still not be included in any plot.

AND there might not BE a plot. There might be ONE guy deciding to do something, never speaking out loud about it, not doing anything really noteworthy,


like driving a car to a rally. Is some FBI guy going to get an arrest warrant based on that?

What do you think is the intent "from a distance" of these young men? Maybe some kindness and forgiveness will see them turn from their dark path?

Please don't spin my position.

NOT ruining someone's life, is not "kindness".

My point about the limits of "Watching" was valid. Would you like to actually address it?


The line between slogans and actual incitement or intent to commit violence is recurring issue. YOu should me any information that suggests that young man was/is doing inciting or planning to commit violence,


and the answer then is CERTAINLY NOT to ruin his life while letting him walk around free, but he needs to be arrested, immediately.

Spin? No. Truth? Yes. You say one thing if the person is a white supremacist male and another if he is a Muslim male. Is that what you are admitting?

Not ruining someone's life is not an act of kindness.


I have not ruined your life, would you say that I have been kind to you?

That was spin on your part.



And what difference do you detect in my positions on the two?

Why are you making it personal? I'm talking about generalities. Yes, there is the specificity of Fields and Kuhn.

1. A reference to my lack of interaction with you, and that it is NOT kindness, is not "making it personal".

2. "Specifically of Fields and Kuhn"? Expand on that?

 

[Unkotare]

You want to bet the lives of your fellow citizens, that he will just meekly wallow in his shit life?

...

If he acts like a liberal, he'll take responsibility, .....

WTF?



That is fucking hilarious!

 

[Nia88]

Nazis were able to gain as much power as they did because of appeasement by neighboring German countries and the US ignoring what was happening in Germany.

OMFG. Fucking liberals. You're actually blaming Hitler on the United States?

Sweetie, one of the reasons Hitler came to power was because of how the Euro Treaty of Versailles devastated and collapsed Germany. The US was not a signatory of the ToV nor required to enforce it. The Euros were the ones to failed to enforce it and appeased Germany. Ever read about Chamberlain's Munich Agreement? The phrase "Peace for our time"? If not, please do some reading.

One reason the US was so late in both WWI and WWII was because it was extremely isolationist. Yet you seem to be advocating the US should not be isolationist. This requires a great military power, something the Liberals always bitch about. Please explain the discrepancy.

Hitler declared war on the US.

Yes...right after the US declared war on Japan. It was in all the papers.

How does that make the US responsible for Germany's rise to power as Nia88 asserted?

Never said US was solely responsible for WWII. But they ignored the holocaust that was going on in Germany. Many holocaust victims were refused entry into the US. They could have at least helped the victims.

Thanks for stepping back from your assertion that the US was responsible for the fucking Nazis rise to power.

Nazis were able to gain as much power as they did because of appeasement by neighboring German countries and the US ignoring what was happening in Germany.

I'm not stepping back. I said US was partially responsible along with European countries appease him. You chose to only focus on US's responsibility. US knew what was going on in Germany and didn't give a fuck. They even turned backed boat loads of holocaust refugees.

They cared when pearl harbor was bombed.

 

[Nia88]

Let this be a lesson to all the other Nazis in training that white supremacy will not be tolerated in this country.

What will you tolerate in this country?

Also will you support my right to fire any BLM members?

BLM isn't founded on black supremacy. Nazis are founded in hate and racism.

Now if a BLM was caught chanting hateful chants, then an employer has the right and should fire them.

Not "black supremacy", just good old fashioned racism. Again, do you agree that employers have the right to not hire or fire racists? Yes or no please.

Yes employers have a right to fire racist. However like I said, marching with BLM doesn't make you racist.

 

[Divine Wind]

OMFG. Fucking liberals. You're actually blaming Hitler on the United States?

Sweetie, one of the reasons Hitler came to power was because of how the Euro Treaty of Versailles devastated and collapsed Germany. The US was not a signatory of the ToV nor required to enforce it. The Euros were the ones to failed to enforce it and appeased Germany. Ever read about Chamberlain's Munich Agreement? The phrase "Peace for our time"? If not, please do some reading.

One reason the US was so late in both WWI and WWII was because it was extremely isolationist. Yet you seem to be advocating the US should not be isolationist. This requires a great military power, something the Liberals always bitch about. Please explain the discrepancy.

Hitler declared war on the US.

Yes...right after the US declared war on Japan. It was in all the papers.

How does that make the US responsible for Germany's rise to power as Nia88 asserted?

Never said US was solely responsible for WWII. But they ignored the holocaust that was going on in Germany. Many holocaust victims were refused entry into the US. They could have at least helped the victims.

Thanks for stepping back from your assertion that the US was responsible for the fucking Nazis rise to power.

Nazis were able to gain as much power as they did because of appeasement by neighboring German countries and the US ignoring what was happening in Germany.

I'm not stepping back. I said US was partially responsible along with European countries appease him. You chose to only focus on US's responsibility. US knew what was going on in Germany and didn't give a fuck. They even turned backed boat loads of holocaust refugees.

They cared when pearl harbor was bombed.

How did the US appease Nazi Germany? What did we do or give them in appeasement? Do you agree the US wasn't a signatory of the Treaty of Versailles and, therefore, not obligated to enforce it?

Prove the US knew exactly what was going on in Germany. Also, state exactly what you think the US should have done about it. Invade Germany? With what? A military armed with broomsticks and paper mache' tanks? Thanks Democrats for gutting our military so we couldn't invade Germany and Japan before "things got out of hand".

Size of the US military 1940: 458,365
Size of the German military 1940: 6,600,000+

Active Duty Military Personnel, 1940–2011

WW2 Germany Population, Statistics, and Numbers

The German Army in the Second World War