My Stances On Abortion: An Epic Monologue from A to Z

[BDBoop]

What happened to the author of this epic thread?

Probably playing Diablo.

 

[alan1]

Courts, liberals, conservatives and medical science all agree that the cessation of brainwaves in a living human being signify the end of life (a small minority may disagree with that).
So how come courts, liberals, conservatives and medical science can't agree that the existence of brainwaves in an unborn signify the existence of life?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Courts, liberals, conservatives and medical science all agree that the cessation of brainwaves in a living human being signify the end of life (a small minority may disagree with that).
So how come courts, liberals, conservatives and medical science can't agree that the existence of brainwaves in an unborn signify the existence of life?

Um.......maybe the "unborn" part has something to do with it.

 

[BDBoop]

Because it's not the point, Alan. The point is, you can't force a woman to stay pregnant against her will.

 

[alan1]

Courts, liberals, conservatives and medical science all agree that the cessation of brainwaves in a living human being signify the end of life (a small minority may disagree with that).
So how come courts, liberals, conservatives and medical science can't agree that the existence of brainwaves in an unborn signify the existence of life?

Um.......maybe the "unborn" part has something to do with it.

"The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.."
Just saying.

 

[Coyote]

Second, the sex life of the woman should be assessed.

B) Did the mother engage in promiscuous sexual activity, such as prostitution? Did she simply sleep with multiple men? Did she initiate the sexual activity that led to her pregnancy? Was she raped? Did the woman take reasonable contraceptive measures to prevent the possibility of becoming pregnant? Did the condom break? Was the man wearing a condom? Did she willfully engage in unprotected sex?

1.) If the answer was yes to the first two questions, then she should be made to live with the consequences of her behavior. If the answer was no, then the choice should remain with the woman.

2.) If the answer to the third question was no, the obvious solution would be to let the woman choose to either go through with the pregnancy, or proceed with the abortion. If the answer was yes, then there is no excuse for her to perform an abortion. One will assume that the sex was consensual.


3.) If the answer to the fourth question is yes, the decision should be hers to make. If the answer was no, then she should be made to carry the child to term.

4.) If the answer to the fifth question is yes, then she should be allowed to have an abortion on the merits that the medications she took failed to do what they were designed for. If the answer is no, she should be made to carry the child to term.

5.) If the answer was yes to the sixth question, then she should be able to make the decision to carry on with the pregnancy, or have an abortion. If the answer was no, then there might be a possibility that she may have had multiple sexual partners beforehand, and that such possibility should be investigated further. The issue may need to be heard in court to resolve the matter.

6.) If the answer was yes to the seventh question, see the answer to #6. If no, and given that she did not request that the man wear a condom, she should be made to carry the child to term.

7.) If the answer to the eighth question is yes, she should be made to carry the child to term. If no, see answers to #4.

Simply put, barring any unmitigated circumstance to the woman, and if she is in good health, or if she willfully engaged in the activity which impregnated her, she should NOT be allowed to have an abortion.

If she was raped, seduced, or is otherwise in bad health, then by all means. Let her have an abortion.

Why didn't I say much about men? For some reason, men are not allowed to have an opinion on abortion. But they are by no means immune to the consequences of getting the woman pregnant as a result of their own irresponsible behavior. And by all means they should also be allowed to have a say so in regards to the life and/or death of the child.

Woah.

The woman's sex life has zip to do with it. NO WOMAN ever ever should have to be put through that kind of questioning about her personal life in of strangers passing judgement on her.

 

[tinydancer]

Because it's not the point, Alan. The point is, you can't force a woman to stay pregnant against her will.

But where do you draw the line? 9 months ruh roh kill the kid?

 

[tinydancer]

And then do we turn around as a society and say you can't force a mother to nurture her child?

 

[tinydancer]

These are not flippant questions. We have to come to terms with ethical answers.

 

[tinydancer]

Second, the sex life of the woman should be assessed.

B) Did the mother engage in promiscuous sexual activity, such as prostitution? Did she simply sleep with multiple men? Did she initiate the sexual activity that led to her pregnancy? Was she raped? Did the woman take reasonable contraceptive measures to prevent the possibility of becoming pregnant? Did the condom break? Was the man wearing a condom? Did she willfully engage in unprotected sex?

1.) If the answer was yes to the first two questions, then she should be made to live with the consequences of her behavior. If the answer was no, then the choice should remain with the woman.

2.) If the answer to the third question was no, the obvious solution would be to let the woman choose to either go through with the pregnancy, or proceed with the abortion. If the answer was yes, then there is no excuse for her to perform an abortion. One will assume that the sex was consensual.


3.) If the answer to the fourth question is yes, the decision should be hers to make. If the answer was no, then she should be made to carry the child to term.

4.) If the answer to the fifth question is yes, then she should be allowed to have an abortion on the merits that the medications she took failed to do what they were designed for. If the answer is no, she should be made to carry the child to term.

5.) If the answer was yes to the sixth question, then she should be able to make the decision to carry on with the pregnancy, or have an abortion. If the answer was no, then there might be a possibility that she may have had multiple sexual partners beforehand, and that such possibility should be investigated further. The issue may need to be heard in court to resolve the matter.

6.) If the answer was yes to the seventh question, see the answer to #6. If no, and given that she did not request that the man wear a condom, she should be made to carry the child to term.

7.) If the answer to the eighth question is yes, she should be made to carry the child to term. If no, see answers to #4.

Simply put, barring any unmitigated circumstance to the woman, and if she is in good health, or if she willfully engaged in the activity which impregnated her, she should NOT be allowed to have an abortion.

If she was raped, seduced, or is otherwise in bad health, then by all means. Let her have an abortion.

Why didn't I say much about men? For some reason, men are not allowed to have an opinion on abortion. But they are by no means immune to the consequences of getting the woman pregnant as a result of their own irresponsible behavior. And by all means they should also be allowed to have a say so in regards to the life and/or death of the child.

Woah.

The woman's sex life has zip to do with it. NO WOMAN ever ever should have to be put through that kind of questioning about her personal life in of strangers passing judgement on her.

Oh and agreed. But I think we have the right as a society to go if you are not willing to take a baby to term, can you just kill it now? Early? Like can you just get on with it?

 

[tinydancer]

Why can't women figure out that they have a baby inside them and if you don't want it can't you kill it now?

Early. Rather than later.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Courts, liberals, conservatives and medical science all agree that the cessation of brainwaves in a living human being signify the end of life (a small minority may disagree with that).
So how come courts, liberals, conservatives and medical science can't agree that the existence of brainwaves in an unborn signify the existence of life?

Um.......maybe the "unborn" part has something to do with it.

"The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.."
Just saying.

Yep. Once born....you are a citizen with said rights. Excellent point.

 

[BDBoop]

Courts, liberals, conservatives and medical science all agree that the cessation of brainwaves in a living human being signify the end of life (a small minority may disagree with that).
So how come courts, liberals, conservatives and medical science can't agree that the existence of brainwaves in an unborn signify the existence of life?

Um.......maybe the "unborn" part has something to do with it.

"The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.."
Just saying.

Nope. Neonatal 'life' does not trump the host's rights.

 

[BDBoop]

Second, the sex life of the woman should be assessed.

B) Did the mother engage in promiscuous sexual activity, such as prostitution? Did she simply sleep with multiple men? Did she initiate the sexual activity that led to her pregnancy? Was she raped? Did the woman take reasonable contraceptive measures to prevent the possibility of becoming pregnant? Did the condom break? Was the man wearing a condom? Did she willfully engage in unprotected sex?

1.) If the answer was yes to the first two questions, then she should be made to live with the consequences of her behavior. If the answer was no, then the choice should remain with the woman.

2.) If the answer to the third question was no, the obvious solution would be to let the woman choose to either go through with the pregnancy, or proceed with the abortion. If the answer was yes, then there is no excuse for her to perform an abortion. One will assume that the sex was consensual.


3.) If the answer to the fourth question is yes, the decision should be hers to make. If the answer was no, then she should be made to carry the child to term.

4.) If the answer to the fifth question is yes, then she should be allowed to have an abortion on the merits that the medications she took failed to do what they were designed for. If the answer is no, she should be made to carry the child to term.

5.) If the answer was yes to the sixth question, then she should be able to make the decision to carry on with the pregnancy, or have an abortion. If the answer was no, then there might be a possibility that she may have had multiple sexual partners beforehand, and that such possibility should be investigated further. The issue may need to be heard in court to resolve the matter.

6.) If the answer was yes to the seventh question, see the answer to #6. If no, and given that she did not request that the man wear a condom, she should be made to carry the child to term.

7.) If the answer to the eighth question is yes, she should be made to carry the child to term. If no, see answers to #4.

Simply put, barring any unmitigated circumstance to the woman, and if she is in good health, or if she willfully engaged in the activity which impregnated her, she should NOT be allowed to have an abortion.

If she was raped, seduced, or is otherwise in bad health, then by all means. Let her have an abortion.

Why didn't I say much about men? For some reason, men are not allowed to have an opinion on abortion. But they are by no means immune to the consequences of getting the woman pregnant as a result of their own irresponsible behavior. And by all means they should also be allowed to have a say so in regards to the life and/or death of the child.

Woah.

The woman's sex life has zip to do with it. NO WOMAN ever ever should have to be put through that kind of questioning about her personal life in of strangers passing judgement on her.

In his defense, he is speaking from the perspective of a vacuum.

He's never been 19, pregnant and scared. He will never be pregnant and scared. He will never go through being put on bed rest in an attempt to avoid stroking out. None of this will ever happen, and he doesn't seem to realize if it's not happening to him, then it is none of his business.

And what really seems to be tripping the male trigger is the realization that this is one instance in a woman's entire life where nobody can gainsay her.

 

[Coyote]

Second, the sex life of the woman should be assessed.

B) Did the mother engage in promiscuous sexual activity, such as prostitution? Did she simply sleep with multiple men? Did she initiate the sexual activity that led to her pregnancy? Was she raped? Did the woman take reasonable contraceptive measures to prevent the possibility of becoming pregnant? Did the condom break? Was the man wearing a condom? Did she willfully engage in unprotected sex?

1.) If the answer was yes to the first two questions, then she should be made to live with the consequences of her behavior. If the answer was no, then the choice should remain with the woman.

2.) If the answer to the third question was no, the obvious solution would be to let the woman choose to either go through with the pregnancy, or proceed with the abortion. If the answer was yes, then there is no excuse for her to perform an abortion. One will assume that the sex was consensual.


3.) If the answer to the fourth question is yes, the decision should be hers to make. If the answer was no, then she should be made to carry the child to term.

4.) If the answer to the fifth question is yes, then she should be allowed to have an abortion on the merits that the medications she took failed to do what they were designed for. If the answer is no, she should be made to carry the child to term.

5.) If the answer was yes to the sixth question, then she should be able to make the decision to carry on with the pregnancy, or have an abortion. If the answer was no, then there might be a possibility that she may have had multiple sexual partners beforehand, and that such possibility should be investigated further. The issue may need to be heard in court to resolve the matter.

6.) If the answer was yes to the seventh question, see the answer to #6. If no, and given that she did not request that the man wear a condom, she should be made to carry the child to term.

7.) If the answer to the eighth question is yes, she should be made to carry the child to term. If no, see answers to #4.

Simply put, barring any unmitigated circumstance to the woman, and if she is in good health, or if she willfully engaged in the activity which impregnated her, she should NOT be allowed to have an abortion.

If she was raped, seduced, or is otherwise in bad health, then by all means. Let her have an abortion.

Why didn't I say much about men? For some reason, men are not allowed to have an opinion on abortion. But they are by no means immune to the consequences of getting the woman pregnant as a result of their own irresponsible behavior. And by all means they should also be allowed to have a say so in regards to the life and/or death of the child.

Woah.

The woman's sex life has zip to do with it. NO WOMAN ever ever should have to be put through that kind of questioning about her personal life in of strangers passing judgement on her.

Oh and agreed. But I think we have the right as a society to go if you are not willing to take a baby to term, can you just kill it now? Early? Like can you just get on with it?

Complex ethical questions with no easy answers.

My feeling is until the baby can survive outside of the mother - her rights over her own body are paramount.

And her sex life has nothing whatsoever to do with anything.

 

[tinydancer]

Um.......maybe the "unborn" part has something to do with it.

"The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.."
Just saying.

Nope. Neonatal 'life' does not trump the host's rights.

Oh here we go. The host. Come on. I know this game well.

The child inside you is actually a "parasite". ?

Give me a break darling.

You know truly when you learn about life? It's that first kick and you go what the hell was that?

And you know there is someone inside you. Really truly there is a baby inside you. You can feel it move and stretch and reach out to you. It's not something called a fetus. It's your child.

All I'm asking for, because I do with all my heart understand we have rape, we have pedophilia, we have incest we have women who are being beaten up and cannot bear another child, is that we have the decency as a society to have a service where we can help women but with a cut off date?

 

[Coyote]

Second, the sex life of the woman should be assessed.

B) Did the mother engage in promiscuous sexual activity, such as prostitution? Did she simply sleep with multiple men? Did she initiate the sexual activity that led to her pregnancy? Was she raped? Did the woman take reasonable contraceptive measures to prevent the possibility of becoming pregnant? Did the condom break? Was the man wearing a condom? Did she willfully engage in unprotected sex?

1.) If the answer was yes to the first two questions, then she should be made to live with the consequences of her behavior. If the answer was no, then the choice should remain with the woman.

2.) If the answer to the third question was no, the obvious solution would be to let the woman choose to either go through with the pregnancy, or proceed with the abortion. If the answer was yes, then there is no excuse for her to perform an abortion. One will assume that the sex was consensual.


3.) If the answer to the fourth question is yes, the decision should be hers to make. If the answer was no, then she should be made to carry the child to term.

4.) If the answer to the fifth question is yes, then she should be allowed to have an abortion on the merits that the medications she took failed to do what they were designed for. If the answer is no, she should be made to carry the child to term.

5.) If the answer was yes to the sixth question, then she should be able to make the decision to carry on with the pregnancy, or have an abortion. If the answer was no, then there might be a possibility that she may have had multiple sexual partners beforehand, and that such possibility should be investigated further. The issue may need to be heard in court to resolve the matter.

6.) If the answer was yes to the seventh question, see the answer to #6. If no, and given that she did not request that the man wear a condom, she should be made to carry the child to term.

7.) If the answer to the eighth question is yes, she should be made to carry the child to term. If no, see answers to #4.

Simply put, barring any unmitigated circumstance to the woman, and if she is in good health, or if she willfully engaged in the activity which impregnated her, she should NOT be allowed to have an abortion.

If she was raped, seduced, or is otherwise in bad health, then by all means. Let her have an abortion.

Why didn't I say much about men? For some reason, men are not allowed to have an opinion on abortion. But they are by no means immune to the consequences of getting the woman pregnant as a result of their own irresponsible behavior. And by all means they should also be allowed to have a say so in regards to the life and/or death of the child.

Woah.

The woman's sex life has zip to do with it. NO WOMAN ever ever should have to be put through that kind of questioning about her personal life in of strangers passing judgement on her.

In his defense, he is speaking from the perspective of a vacuum.

He's never been 19, pregnant and scared. He will never be pregnant and scared. He will never go through being put on bed rest in an attempt to avoid stroking out. None of this will ever happen, and he doesn't seem to realize if it's not happening to him, then it is none of his business.

And what really seems to be tripping the male trigger is the realization that this is one instance in a woman's entire life where nobody can gainsay her.

Exactly....and that is why, ultimately, the decision must rest with the mother because she will with it and it's consequences or die of it.

 

[alan1]

Because it's not the point, Alan. The point is, you can't force a woman to stay pregnant against her will.

My point is, the definition of life.
For the most part, almost all agree what the end of life is, why can't we use the same standard for the other end (beginning of life)? My intent isn't to force anybody to do anything, instead, it is to come to an agreement on what constitutes life and educate people accordingly so that they are better equipped to make such a decision. The vast preponderance of our society is opposed to the taking of an innocent human life.
For me, I accept that the lack of brainwaves means life doesn't exist (it's scientific). I also am consistent in that I accept that the existence of brainwaves means life does exist. Therefore, aborting a fetus with brainwaves is the taking of a life. It's a simple concept in my mind.

BDBoop,
my position on abortion has changed over the years. I used to fully support it. Today, I am opposed to all abortion but I am willing to accept abortion in the absence of fetal brainwaves. Just like my willingness to agree to the removal of breathing tubes and intravenous feeding for people that lack brainwaves.
We have a definition of life, let's use it to the best of our ability.

 

[Coyote]

"The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.."
Just saying.

Nope. Neonatal 'life' does not trump the host's rights.

Oh here we go. The host. Come on. I know this game well.

The child inside you is actually a "parasite". ?

Give me a break darling.

You know truly when you learn about life? It's that first kick and you go what the hell was that?

And you know there is someone inside you. Really truly there is a baby inside you. You can feel it move and stretch and reach out to you. It's not something called a fetus. It's your child.

All I'm asking for, because I do with all my heart understand we have rape, we have pedophilia, we have incest we have women who are being beaten up and cannot bear another child, is that we have the decency as a society to have a service where we can help women but with a cut off date?

I think a cut off date is reasonable as long as there are always exceptions for life and health of the mother.

Late term abortions are highly restricted in every state. I support that.

 

[BDBoop]

Because it's not the point, Alan. The point is, you can't force a woman to stay pregnant against her will.

My point is, the definition of life.
For the most part, almost all agree what the end of life is, why can't we use the same standard for the other end (beginning of life)? My intent isn't to force anybody to do anything, instead, it is to come to an agreement on what constitutes life and educate people accordingly so that they are better equipped to make such a decision. The vast preponderance of our society is opposed to the taking of an innocent human life.
For me, I accept that the lack of brainwaves means life doesn't exist (it's scientific). I also am consistent in that I accept that the existence of brainwaves means life does exist. Therefore, aborting a fetus with brainwaves is the taking of a life. It's a simple concept in my mind.

BDBoop,
my position on abortion has changed over the years. I used to fully support it. Today, I am opposed to all abortion but I am willing to accept abortion in the absence of fetal brainwaves. Just like my willingness to agree to the removal of breathing tubes and intravenous feeding for people that lack brainwaves.
We have a definition of life, let's use it to the best of our ability.

No, let's not.

I don't do chats about taking away women's rights. If she's pregnant and wants to stay pregnant, that's her call. Doesn't want to stay pregnant, that's her call. Nobody else's. This is her life, not Big Brother. It's not even once-removed, where at least you are watching out for someone you know and/or love. This is you talking like you have a say in the life of a complete stranger.

You don't.