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Your point?
The facts are fairly clear - an area known as Palestine existed as far back as the 5th century BCE. It is aguably more clearly defined in ancient history than Lebanon, a country whose existance few here seem to question.
We also know that Palestinians are genetically distinct from Syrians and Egyptians, and spoke of themselves as a distinct people from at least as far back as 1920 (and arguably from 1843). Again, this distinction is arguably more defined than that of the Lebanese.
In other words - accept that the Palestinian people exist, accept that a place called Palestine has existed since antiquity, and accept that they have a fair and valid historical claim to at least some of the land in the Levant.
Israel had been named 4000 yrs ago... Christians know this
I agree with this - both the terms 'Palestine' and 'Israel' are about as old as the name of any country on earth.
Ironically, what they both also have in common is a lack of modern usage prior to the mid-19th century.
It is one of the many wonders of these threads is that the most fevered supports of Israel actually undermine Israel's existance by raising topics a smarter person might steer clear of.
Your point?
The facts are fairly clear - an area known as Palestine existed as far back as the 5th century BCE. It is aguably more clearly defined in ancient history than Lebanon, a country whose existance few here seem to question.
We also know that Palestinians are genetically distinct from Syrians and Egyptians, and spoke of themselves as a distinct people from at least as far back as 1920 (and arguably from 1843). Again, this distinction is arguably more defined than that of the Lebanese.
In other words - accept that the Palestinian people exist, accept that a place called Palestine has existed since antiquity, and accept that they have a fair and valid historical claim to at least some of the land in the Levant.
Did anyone deny them a bit of land IN THE LEVANT??? I have VERY FREQUENTLY
INSISTED that a nice little countries can easily be carved out of a bit of the southern
part of Lebanon, syria and ---parts of transjordan that should make them
VERY HAPPY----if they need more there is no reason why they cannot have
Gaza and Sharm el Shaykh----no one is really using the places I mentioned
for much of anything----and -----getting the syrians out of the golan where
they so enjoyed tossing bombs on Israeli villages below is also a good
idea All people from the Levant---deserve a bit of the Levant.
It is true that ---the place was overrun by arabs in the
seventh century CE-----but they MARRIED IN---and they
really cannot be asked to GO BACK
Oh it's more than that. He's hijacked a name which never meant Arabs, and suddenly given it ancient Arab associations, going back to the Stone Age, Ice Age, and maybe even during the Crustaceous and Jurrasic periods!The facts are fairly clear - an area known as Palestine existed as far back as the 5th century BCE. It is aguably more clearly defined in ancient history than Lebanon, a country whose existance few here seem to question.
We also know that Palestinians are genetically distinct from Syrians and Egyptians, and spoke of themselves as a distinct people from at least as far back as 1920 (and arguably from 1843). Again, this distinction is arguably more defined than that of the Lebanese.
In other words - accept that the Palestinian people exist, accept that a place called Palestine has existed since antiquity, and accept that they have a fair and valid historical claim to at least some of the land in the Levant.
Did anyone deny them a bit of land IN THE LEVANT??? I have VERY FREQUENTLY
INSISTED that a nice little countries can easily be carved out of a bit of the southern
part of Lebanon, syria and ---parts of transjordan that should make them
VERY HAPPY----if they need more there is no reason why they cannot have
Gaza and Sharm el Shaykh----no one is really using the places I mentioned
for much of anything----and -----getting the syrians out of the golan where
they so enjoyed tossing bombs on Israeli villages below is also a good
idea All people from the Levant---deserve a bit of the Levant.
It is true that ---the place was overrun by arabs in the
seventh century CE-----but they MARRIED IN---and they
really cannot be asked to GO BACK
Siagon seems to think Arabs on one side of the Jordan river are diffeernt from Arabs on the other side
The facts are fairly clear - an area known as Palestine existed as far back as the 5th century BCE. It is aguably more clearly defined in ancient history than Lebanon, a country whose existance few here seem to question.
We also know that Palestinians are genetically distinct from Syrians and Egyptians, and spoke of themselves as a distinct people from at least as far back as 1920 (and arguably from 1843). Again, this distinction is arguably more defined than that of the Lebanese.
In other words - accept that the Palestinian people exist, accept that a place called Palestine has existed since antiquity, and accept that they have a fair and valid historical claim to at least some of the land in the Levant.
Did anyone deny them a bit of land IN THE LEVANT??? I have VERY FREQUENTLY
INSISTED that a nice little countries can easily be carved out of a bit of the southern
part of Lebanon, syria and ---parts of transjordan that should make them
VERY HAPPY----if they need more there is no reason why they cannot have
Gaza and Sharm el Shaykh----no one is really using the places I mentioned
for much of anything----and -----getting the syrians out of the golan where
they so enjoyed tossing bombs on Israeli villages below is also a good
idea All people from the Levant---deserve a bit of the Levant.
It is true that ---the place was overrun by arabs in the
seventh century CE-----but they MARRIED IN---and they
really cannot be asked to GO BACK
Siagon seems to think Arabs on one side of the Jordan river are diffeernt from Arabs on the other side
So who cares when the name Palestinian or Palestine came into being? Israel only came into being in 1948 or so. The point is, people were living there before the Pals and Izzys came into being, and they were pushed aside like garbage.
I don't agree with your final sentence - but your first sentences are spot on!
Israel had been named 4000 yrs ago... Christians know this
2000 BC (about 4000 years ago)
Jacob (Israel) is born
Jacob, the son of Isaac, who was the son of Abraham, is born in Canaan. Jacob's name is changed to Israel. (Canaan is later renamed Israel, after Jacob). He has 12 sons, for whom the 12 Tribes of Israel are named
Your point?
The facts are fairly clear - an area known as Palestine existed as far back as the 5th century BCE. It is aguably more clearly defined in ancient history than Lebanon, a country whose existance few here seem to question.
We also know that Palestinians are genetically distinct from Syrians and Egyptians, and spoke of themselves as a distinct people from at least as far back as 1920 (and arguably from 1843). Again, this distinction is arguably more defined than that of the Lebanese.
In other words - accept that the Palestinian people exist, accept that a place called Palestine has existed since antiquity, and accept that they have a fair and valid historical claim to at least some of the land in the Levant.
Ha ha ha! We don't need to accept your BS, but if you wish to find those who might be warmer to your claims, may I suggest the closest mosque or neo Nazi gathering in proximity to your location.
The fact that the Romans invaded Israel and changed its name to Paletine is undisputed history. And it's occupants both before and after the invasion had absolutely nothing to do with today's Arabs who call themselves Palestinians. By their own admission, they have latched on and stolen an identity to defeat the Jews. Had there not been an Israel and the land divided among Jordan, Syria, and Egypt, there would never have been a Palestinian movement nor woud there be this mythical bullshit about an "ancient Palestinian people".
Jroc,Roudy and Rosie......YET..your friend steve
When all your arguments fail miserably, start calling people trolls. It's called theliq mentality hahaha
Why, Stevie, it is very easy for me to just put you down as a nut. Meanwhile, have you completely forgotten that the Arab leaders told these people to leave so that they wouldn't be in the way when they got at the Jews and then the people could return when the Jews were slaughtered. The Arabs that actually had money and property stayed and are now citizens of Israel. Isn't it strange, Stevie, that after World War II millions of displaced people had to move thousands of miles from their original homes, learn a new language and culture, and get on with their lives, some very, very successfully. The Arabs from the area had to move not that far from their home and certainly didn't have to learn a new language or culture. Did their fellow Arabs really have to keep them in camps instead of using them as a thorn in Israel's side? No doubt you don't shed any tears for the Hindus whose ancestors actually lived for thousands of years on that chunk of land called Pakistan which was carved out of India. Why should you since no Jews were involved in that?
O Hoss,I just can't put you in the same category as those NUT TROLLS
RESOLUTION 181 Continued.
In this process,most of Palestine's indigenous population were expelled and,together with their decendents,became numbers in an UNRWA register.Today, they total 5.5 Million people living in miserable refugee camps in Lebanon(12 Camps),Syria(10 Camps+3 Unofficial Sites),Jordan(10 Camps),West Bank(19 Camps) and Gaza(8 Camps).
These Palestinian refugees hold the record of being the longest suffering and largest refugee population in the WORLD.(Thanks to the Zionists and Jews) Yet,even within these Camps,they remain dignified and determined that, through the application of International Law, THEIR RIGHT TO RETURN TO THEIR repeat THEIR HOMES WILL BE UPHELD>
By June 1948, approximately 370,000 Palestinians were expelled from their homes.By the end of that year the number totalled an amazing 780,000!!!!!!!!!!! Josef Weitz declared,at a cabinet meeting chaired by Ben-Gurion on 18th of August 1948, that 286 villages had been "CLEARED"(sounds like a Hitlerism don't it) or "EVACUATED"(sounds like a Himmlerism don't it) and about 3 Million DUNUMS had been left behind by their Palestinian owners as they FLED the ZIONIST TERROR.(with compound interest that would be a fair SUM today). The last of the villages to be cleared was Al-Majdal(later renamed ASHKELON by Israel) Note here that the Israelis BULLDOZED all the Villages,and their GUILT they though could be COVERED UP,this led to generations of Israeli school children being told THAT THERE WAS NO ONE LIVING IN THESE AREA PRIOR TO JEWISH SETTLEMENT.....this INDEMIC LIE continues today.....as a final INSULT to the Palestinian People............This INDELIBLE PALESTINIAN BLOOD ON THE ZIONISTS HANDS, CAN NEVER BE WASH AWAY......AND THIS GUILT IS PART OF ISRAELS DESTINY.
Within 6 months,ZIONIST TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS went on a RAMPAGE EXPELLING,MURDERING and MASSACRING Palestinians and destroying their homes and villages. They EXPELLED 452,789 Palestinian men,women,children and infants, from the areas allocated to the Jews in the Partition Plan,and a further 347,222 were uprooted from areas
Did anyone deny them a bit of land IN THE LEVANT??? I have VERY FREQUENTLY
INSISTED that a nice little countries can easily be carved out of a bit of the southern
part of Lebanon, syria and ---parts of transjordan that should make them
VERY HAPPY----if they need more there is no reason why they cannot have
Gaza and Sharm el Shaykh----no one is really using the places I mentioned
for much of anything----and -----getting the syrians out of the golan where
they so enjoyed tossing bombs on Israeli villages below is also a good
idea All people from the Levant---deserve a bit of the Levant.
It is true that ---the place was overrun by arabs in the
seventh century CE-----but they MARRIED IN---and they
really cannot be asked to GO BACK
Siagon seems to think Arabs on one side of the Jordan river are diffeernt from Arabs on the other side
Well it just goes to show what a complete CRETIN and BAFFOON YOU ARE,
The Palestinians are completely different from the Jordanians who originated from Saudi Arabia.
Such Ignorance could only be perpetuated by a ZIONIST IDIOT or are YOU just a WILFUL LIAR
70% of Jordanian citizens are of Palestinian (non-Bedouin) descent. Hence, as the late King Hussein correctly stated, Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan. It is therefore wrong, historically, morally and politically, to establish a second Palestinian Arab state on any part of the 24% of Palestine that is Israel and the West Bank. Such a state has no legal, moral or historical right to exist.
Why, Stevie, it is very easy for me to just put you down as a nut. Meanwhile, have you completely forgotten that the Arab leaders told these people to leave so that they wouldn't be in the way when they got at the Jews and then the people could return when the Jews were slaughtered. The Arabs that actually had money and property stayed and are now citizens of Israel. Isn't it strange, Stevie, that after World War II millions of displaced people had to move thousands of miles from their original homes, learn a new language and culture, and get on with their lives, some very, very successfully. The Arabs from the area had to move not that far from their home and certainly didn't have to learn a new language or culture. Did their fellow Arabs really have to keep them in camps instead of using them as a thorn in Israel's side? No doubt you don't shed any tears for the Hindus whose ancestors actually lived for thousands of years on that chunk of land called Pakistan which was carved out of India. Why should you since no Jews were involved in that?
O Hoss,I just can't put you in the same category as those NUT TROLLS
RESOLUTION 181 Continued.
In this process,most of Palestine's indigenous population were expelled and,together with their decendents,became numbers in an UNRWA register.Today, they total 5.5 Million people living in miserable refugee camps in Lebanon(12 Camps),Syria(10 Camps+3 Unofficial Sites),Jordan(10 Camps),West Bank(19 Camps) and Gaza(8 Camps).
These Palestinian refugees hold the record of being the longest suffering and largest refugee population in the WORLD.(Thanks to the Zionists and Jews) Yet,even within these Camps,they remain dignified and determined that, through the application of International Law, THEIR RIGHT TO RETURN TO THEIR repeat THEIR HOMES WILL BE UPHELD>
By June 1948, approximately 370,000 Palestinians were expelled from their homes.By the end of that year the number totalled an amazing 780,000!!!!!!!!!!! Josef Weitz declared,at a cabinet meeting chaired by Ben-Gurion on 18th of August 1948, that 286 villages had been "CLEARED"(sounds like a Hitlerism don't it) or "EVACUATED"(sounds like a Himmlerism don't it) and about 3 Million DUNUMS had been left behind by their Palestinian owners as they FLED the ZIONIST TERROR.(with compound interest that would be a fair SUM today). The last of the villages to be cleared was Al-Majdal(later renamed ASHKELON by Israel) Note here that the Israelis BULLDOZED all the Villages,and their GUILT they though could be COVERED UP,this led to generations of Israeli school children being told THAT THERE WAS NO ONE LIVING IN THESE AREA PRIOR TO JEWISH SETTLEMENT.....this INDEMIC LIE continues today.....as a final INSULT to the Palestinian People............This INDELIBLE PALESTINIAN BLOOD ON THE ZIONISTS HANDS, CAN NEVER BE WASH AWAY......AND THIS GUILT IS PART OF ISRAELS DESTINY.
Within 6 months,ZIONIST TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS went on a RAMPAGE EXPELLING,MURDERING and MASSACRING Palestinians and destroying their homes and villages. They EXPELLED 452,789 Palestinian men,women,children and infants, from the areas allocated to the Jews in the Partition Plan,and a further 347,222 were uprooted from areas
JUST ADMIT WHAT YOU ARE
Siagon seems to think Arabs on one side of the Jordan river are diffeernt from Arabs on the other side
Well it just goes to show what a complete CRETIN and BAFFOON YOU ARE,
The Palestinians are completely different from the Jordanians who originated from Saudi Arabia.
Such Ignorance could only be perpetuated by a ZIONIST IDIOT or are YOU just a WILFUL LIAR
Get a grip loon....
70% of Jordanian citizens are of Palestinian (non-Bedouin) descent. Hence, as the late King Hussein correctly stated, Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan. It is therefore wrong, historically, morally and politically, to establish a second Palestinian Arab state on any part of the 24% of Palestine that is Israel and the West Bank. Such a state has no legal, moral or historical right to exist.
Well it just goes to show what a complete CRETIN and BAFFOON YOU ARE,
The Palestinians are completely different from the Jordanians who originated from Saudi Arabia.
Such Ignorance could only be perpetuated by a ZIONIST IDIOT or are YOU just a WILFUL LIAR
Get a grip loon....
70% of Jordanian citizens are of Palestinian (non-Bedouin) descent. Hence, as the late King Hussein correctly stated, Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan. It is therefore wrong, historically, morally and politically, to establish a second Palestinian Arab state on any part of the 24% of Palestine that is Israel and the West Bank. Such a state has no legal, moral or historical right to exist.
Loon is better than a Murdering Bastard
Wow, you do realize that you just proved how ignorant you are? Majority of Jordanians ARE PALESTINIAN Arabs. in fact Jordan's Queen Noor, is a Palestinian.Did anyone deny them a bit of land IN THE LEVANT??? I have VERY FREQUENTLY
INSISTED that a nice little countries can easily be carved out of a bit of the southern
part of Lebanon, syria and ---parts of transjordan that should make them
VERY HAPPY----if they need more there is no reason why they cannot have
Gaza and Sharm el Shaykh----no one is really using the places I mentioned
for much of anything----and -----getting the syrians out of the golan where
they so enjoyed tossing bombs on Israeli villages below is also a good
idea All people from the Levant---deserve a bit of the Levant.
It is true that ---the place was overrun by arabs in the
seventh century CE-----but they MARRIED IN---and they
really cannot be asked to GO BACK
Siagon seems to think Arabs on one side of the Jordan river are diffeernt from Arabs on the other side
Well it just goes to show what a complete CRETIN and BAFFOON YOU ARE,
The Palestinians are completely different from the Jordanians who originated from Saudi Arabia.
Such Ignorance could only be perpetuated by a ZIONIST IDIOT or are YOU just a WILFUL LIAR
Any educated person would know that the name Palestine was given to Israel by the invading Romans. That means the name Palestine did not exist prior to that era.
Did you get a flat tire on your house today?Well it just goes to show what a complete CRETIN and BAFFOON YOU ARE,
The Palestinians are completely different from the Jordanians who originated from Saudi Arabia.
Such Ignorance could only be perpetuated by a ZIONIST IDIOT or are YOU just a WILFUL LIAR
Get a grip loon....
70% of Jordanian citizens are of Palestinian (non-Bedouin) descent. Hence, as the late King Hussein correctly stated, Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan. It is therefore wrong, historically, morally and politically, to establish a second Palestinian Arab state on any part of the 24% of Palestine that is Israel and the West Bank. Such a state has no legal, moral or historical right to exist.
Loon is better than a Murdering Bastard
Wow, what a load of hogwash. So many errors, mistakes, and lies one doesn't even know where to begin with this dipshit.We certainly know how old the term 'Palestinian' is, even if it only really came to be used in its current meaning around 1920.
But when we consider that the words 'Italy' and 'Germany' only date from 1850, there has to be more to history than the name.
Is anyone going to claim there were no Italians in 1840?
Well, there was no Italy in 1840, and there never had been.
But obviously the people of Italy an trace their origins in towns like Roma back 3,000 years - just as Palestinians can to towns like Ashdod, Akko and Nablus.
Jews can also trace their genetic history back 3,000 years - so this isn't bad news for Jews or for Israel.
I'm still waiting to see these "errors, mistakes and lies".
