New development in the shooting case of the black georgia jogger

[Mac-7]

As was the opinion of several lawyers who say that the McMichaels did not have Reasonable Suspicion by Georgia Law.

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Yeah. You guys are starting to sound like a skit from The Onion.



No matter how many people tell you the truth you just won’t accept it. Fine with me. You can claim they are political prisoners. But think about this. The longer you protest the more you sound like the far leftists you detest who refuse to accept truth. The Bernie Bro’s who act like Socialism works if the right people are in charge as one example.

Yes they did have reasonable grounds. Burglary is a felony, and they knew about the break ins and burglaries in the neighborhood, the camera footage with an individual who looks similar to the one running. When the black man didn't respond to their shouting, that severely did not help.

And if they were police they would probably be fine. But they aren’t. And there be the rub. Which is why the Legal Experts. You know those who went to school and then got licensed and then actually make their living doing this sort of thing. The Legal Experts say that they did not.

But it is worse. Really worse for the McMichaels. If Daddy recognized the suspect and did not share that with police then that is withholding information.

But it gets even worse. Let’s go to the trial. To prove Reasonable Suspicion even using your inaccurate definition they have to testify. In doing so they open the Prosecution to cross examine. How well do you think that will go? Why did you withhold the identity of the suspect from the police? Why did you not tell the 911 operator it was a trespassing case. He was wearing a t shirt and shorts. How much could he have possibly stolen from a construction site and concealed upon himself? Were you ever asked to watch the property?

Before the testimony is over every case he worked on will have filed appeals claiming that this case shows that McMichaels is dishonest and criminal. How many convicts will be released because of it? If he does not testify then no reasonable suspicion can be established, even by your definition.

You have no clue how much trouble those two are in. Why do I keep telling you to start funding their defense? Any Sentence for Daddy is probably a life sentence. And Junior will get at least twenty years. Right now their one hope is a strong which means very expensive defense. A lawyer who has successfully defended murder charges is not going to be cheap. And any attorney that takes it Pro Bono is not going to be worth having.

On the off chance that they are found not guilty. They will be homeless and unemployed. And you can’t use Kickstarter or other online fundraisers like that. They will not allow funds to be raised for criminal defense.

Now I have posted the links. You should know what they are facing. It is not political. It is Georgia Criminal Law. Something that we had a chance of starting to reform before this. Now we will be lucky if we don’t see some asinine hate crime law passed.

They were obviously monitoring the neighborhood for suspicious activity. Even the other 911 caller was and he was not even a cop as far as we know.

They had called 911 two weeks prior and one of their guns was stolen before.

If you leave a gun in an unlocked vehicle, you are partially responsible, dumbass!

And now we have moved to victim blaming.

Damn, you really hate the two heroic defenders of their community. Your community has no defenders?

You brought up an irrelevant theft of a gun, which the suspect left in an unlocked vehicle. By law, they are partially responsible for the theft.

The theft is highly relevant. String of thefts and unwarranted entries in a neighborhood. Guy runs when asked to stop... that's suspicious as fuck. Their suspicion was correct.

If you come at me with a gun, I damn sure am not going to stop! The theft was 2 months prior and nothing pointed to him being the thief. I honestly think you are brain damaged.

Are you bulletproof?

if someone with a gun has the drop on you consider cooperating with them

but the evidence is mounting that the black guy was a thief who wanted to avoid the police

 

[Norman]

The owner of the property Mr. English said nothing was ever taken, he did not know the McMichaels and only met one of them once when he bought the property. At no time did English ever ask McMichaels to do anything on his behalf. This begs the question what business was it of the McMichaels? Absolutely none. Do people in Georgia always find it agreeable to stick their nose in another mans business? The McMichaels seem to think so.

Bing

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It’s not up to him, they have property of concern, they don’t want a pattern developed it’s really simple. Go to the south side of Chicago

It is up to him. It is his property. Only he can file a complaint for Trespassing. And his testimony at the trial is going to be really harmful for the defense.

Nonsense...again you prove you lack legal expertise despite all your tutoring from para-legals bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa As has been pointed out to you many times nothing that happened before the black guy assaulted the younger McMichaels has any relevancy....no matter what happened before....even if he had been followed, harassed, or falsely arrested (none of which happened) gave him (the insane negro) the right to committ assault...try and wrap your head around that if you want to stop looking so stupid.

Again. That is where you are wrong according to actual lawyers.

The Ahmaud Arbery Killing and Georgia Law

Explaining the legal issues surrounding the incident of two white men shooting a black jogger they suspected of a crime

arcdigital.media

The most important part of this statute is the unwritten bit — you are allowed to make arrests only with “reasonable force.” You can’t burn down an orphanage to catch one child snatching extra bowls of gruel. And the Georgia Supreme Court has held, as a matter of law, that you can’t chase someone down with a weapon because you think they have committed burglary. For example, it held that there was no evidence of a “citizen’s arrest” when a man with a baseball bat chased down someone who burglarized his home.

The McMichaels will have a hard time establishing that a crime was committed within their presence or immediate knowledge. But even if they get past those serious hurtles, they’re still stuck justifying hemming an unarmed man in with a truck and guns when those acts are each serious felonies under Georgia law.

Actual Lawyers seem to think you are wrong. But what do they know. I assume you have a BAR card and are licensed in Georgia. I honestly hope you are on the way to take over the defense of the McMichaels because they need all the legal help they can get. Because actual Georgia law applies to actual cases and decided by the actual Georgia Supreme Court says you are actually wrong.

They did not do anything unreasonable in making the arrest.

He only got shot because he grabbed a gun, this is reasonable self defense.

In the state of Georgia (and I believe this is true in all 50 states) if you initiate a confrontation, you cannot claim self defense. To wit: If I punch you in the face, and you then pick up a stick and hit me with it, I can't claim self defense if I shoot you and kill you.

It's mind boggling to know that there are idiots in this world who do not see someone arming himself, getting into a truck and chasing someone, and then getting out of that truck, with a loaded shotgun, as not initiating a confrontation...

Then how can you make a citizens arrest? To wit: I see a thug running out of my house ... then what happens?

That's not what happened here.

Focus.

Travis McMichael could not legally make a citizen's arrest because Arbery committed no crime in his presence, nor did McMichael have immediate, first hand knowledge of the crime. "First hand" means that Daddy McMichael telling Junior that Arbery committed a crime is insufficient to effect a citizen's arrest.

Had Daddy gotten his lard-ass out of the back of the truck, an argument might be able to be made that, since he allegedly saw the video, that he could make a citizen's arrest...

Reasonable suspicion is enough. For someone who lives in Georgia you certainly don't know the law, and apparently can't even read the thread since the law was already posted here.

By the way, fleeing itself can generate reasonable suspicion. Of course in this case, the suspicion turned out to be correct. It's also possible that they heard screams for the man to stop.

Well, if anyone needed further proof that you're a no-nothing dipshit, you just provided it here, dumbass.

I don't live in Georgia, and I've never claimed to.

I read from the Georgia Bar Association website:

"Citizen’s Arrests - As a private citizen, you have no authority to arrest anyone with a warrant. Without a warrant, you may arrest anyone who commits a misdemeanor or a felony in your presence or with your immediate knowledge. A citizen’s arrest occurs when a citizen prevents a suspect from leaving a scene. Citizen’s arrest most often happens in cases like shoplifting, when the store’s manager detains the suspected offender."

https://www.gabar.org/forthepublic/forteachersstudents/lre/teacherresources/upload/ch16.pdf

Arbery committed no crime in the presence of Travis McMichael, nor did Travis McMichael have immediate knowledge of any crime committed by Arbery. An example of "immediate knowledge" would be, say, a woman yelling to you that the guy running away from her carrying a woman's purse just stole her purse.

But, just for fun, let's pretend that Travis McMichael was in a position to legally perform a citizen's arrest of Arbery. The law in Georgia states: "When making a citizen’s arrest, a person may not use more force than is reasonable to make the arrest. Deadly force is limited to self-defense or to instances in which such force is necessary to prevent certain felonies."

Hopping out of the truck with a gun is clearly not the use of a minimum amount of force. In fact it's an unwarranted escalation of force for someone who's running down the road. So, as soon as his feet hit the ground he fucked up.

Now, even though you're too ignorant to wrap your head around this, we already know there's no legitimate claim to self-defense, simply because Travis and Gregory McMichael initiated the entire incident.

Lastly, deadly force is authorized to prevent someone from committing certain felonies, but not all. It's a felony to embezzle money from an employer. Deadly force is not authorized to stop it. Likewise, if Arbery had stolen something from a construction site days prior, that felony has not only already been committed, but it was committed outside the view or knowledge of Travis McMichael.

But none of those things are what happened.

I know you're not a fan of facts, but there ya' go...

I already posted the law it allows for arrest for only reasonable suspicion.

Stop spreading your fake news sources.

Fake news?? You don't like what it says so it's "fake news"?

You are slowly, but ever so surely, redefining the term "ignorant dipshit".

The source quoted in my post isn't a "fake news source", Zippy. It's the website for the Georgia State Bar Association.

You've just relegated yourself to "idiot clown" status. Nothing you say has value. Your opinions mean dick. You and your idiot ramblings are utterly meaningless...

Whatever it is, is not the law. Looks like fake news.

Here is the law.

2010 Georgia Code :: TITLE 17 - CRIMINAL PROCEDURE :: CHAPTER 4 - ARREST OF PERSONS :: ARTICLE 4 - ARREST BY PRIVATE PERSONS :: § 17-4-60 - Grounds for arrest

law.justia.com

A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

What part of, "If the offense is a felony," escapes your first grade level reading comprehension?

Arbery did not commit a felony.

Game over.

Which part of SUSPICION do you not understand?

He did not need to commit a thing. Further, you did not provide ANY evidence that he did not commit a burglary.

Did he commit a felony in the property? No.

No felony = no burglary = no suspicion.

Wrong. He probably went in with the INTENTION to steal, which is a burglary.

Prove that he didn't intend to do that.

But again, they only needed to suspect a burglary. An easy case...

 

[SavannahMann]

As was the opinion of several lawyers who say that the McMichaels did not have Reasonable Suspicion by Georgia Law.

LOL

Yeah. You guys are starting to sound like a skit from The Onion.



No matter how many people tell you the truth you just won’t accept it. Fine with me. You can claim they are political prisoners. But think about this. The longer you protest the more you sound like the far leftists you detest who refuse to accept truth. The Bernie Bro’s who act like Socialism works if the right people are in charge as one example.

Yes they did have reasonable grounds. Burglary is a felony, and they knew about the break ins and burglaries in the neighborhood, the camera footage with an individual who looks similar to the one running. When the black man didn't respond to their shouting, that severely did not help.

I invited you to come on down to Georgia before. Come on down. Park in the road. Wave a shotgun around. Georgia will really love you for it. They will like you so much they will invite you to stay for a few years. Tell the cops they don’t know the law. Tell the Prosecutor. Do not call on an attorney to defend you. Do it yourself. Tell the Judge it is all political. They will really love that.

Now at some point, say between three and twenty years later. Georgia will release you to continue your rants about how they don’t know their own laws.

The cops did know the law, and that's why they did not arrest the two white heroes who caught a robber.

Actually the cops thought they had sufficient evidence to arrest. But they were told not to by McMichaels friend and former boss.

Glynn County commissioner says DA blocked arrests after fatal shooting

Two Glynn County commissioners say District Attorney Jackie Johnson’s office refused to allow the Glynn County Police Department to make arrests immediately after the Feb. 23 shooting death of Ahmaud Arbery.

www.ajc.com

So the cops did think they had sufficient evidence to arrest. Let me guess. Either it is fake news or the cops didn’t know the law either.

 

[protectionist]

If you come at me with a gun, I damn sure am not going to stop! The theft was 2 months prior and nothing pointed to him being the thief. I honestly think you are brain damaged.

A gun was present but, .....Nobody came at anybody with a gun.

 

[Faun]

Facts of this case......a father and son associated with law enforcement and never in trouble of any kind, never arrested for anything but are called criminals by the liberals

vs.

The black jogger............who comidtted a felony (brought a gun to school) was convicted placed on 5 yrs probation.

The he engaged in theft thus violating his probation.....but nothing was done...he should have been in jail. If he had been where he belonged he would still be alive.

Yet the liberals want us to believe he is just so innocent...he ranks right up there with Mother Teresa
bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Then just like the the Zimmerman case the media plays games with photos..........show the best possible photo of the black dude they could find......but show the white dudes in their jail outfit.

Keep tuned this case is getting crazier by the second.

Latest development....video emerges of the black dude visiting that same home at night....what is that all about? Did he have some sort of obsession with that house....maybe Satan lured him there...as in the devil made him do it???

Miscarriage of justice,, poor guys are being lynched by democrats

And the Earth is Flat. We faked the moon landing. Artificial Sweeteners are good for you, and Anna Nicole married for Love. Any other insane conspiracy theories you believe in besides these?

They did nothing wrong, if you stop pretending the black did nothing wrong it might dawn on you that this is serious. These men deserve to be treated fairly. Just stop pretending this kid did nothing wrong it insane.

Oh, they'll be treated fairly -- once they're incarcerated. Inmates love cops.

you sound like a terrorist.. you want two innocent men in jail to die for political reasons, to race bait.. you are a terrorist

Well they murdered someone, so why is it unfair for them to face the same consequences?

In self defense? You terrorist

It wasn't in self defense. Georgia law does not protect the aggressor in an altercation with self defense. And Travis McMichael was the aggressor by arming himself with no knowledge of Arbery but with the intent to chase him down and stop him.

We clearly see the black kid darting in front of the truck to attack the son.. standing there with a shotgun is not an active and aggression he saying stop stop we want to talk to you

Liar, McMichael couldn't have just been standing there. Scotty didn't beam him from about 4 feet to the left of the truck to being in front of it.

He was asking him to stop so they could talk..

Which brings me back to ... with Travis block the road with a shotgun, why should Arbery have assumed they only wanted to talk?

Because they had been chasing the person for a good time. There is more info on this in the police report. But it is very inconceivable that at this point, he did not know what the deal was.

There was no reason for them to stop Arbery so there was no reason for why Arbery would know why they wanted him to stop.

They suspected him of burglary.

He was reported to 911.

No reason? Please...

How did they know he was suspected of burglary if the call went to 911?

The police report says:

According to the initial police report, the McMichaels told police that they pursued Arbery because he resembled a suspect in a string of local burglaries.

And soon we will almost certainly find out that he WAS the man behind the burglaries. And leftists will moan and cry as usual when their fake news story gets destroyed piece by piece.

Ok on the day of the shooting what did her burglarize?

The dwelling under construction.

Liar. There is no evidence Arbery burglarized that house. The 911 caller did not say anything was taken. The homeowner said nothing was taken. The video of Arbery inside the home does not show him taking anything or looking to take anything.

If truth and reality were on your side, you wouldn't have to lie like ya do.

Nothing needed to be taken, dumbass.
Merely being in the dwelling without permission is considered burglary in Georgia.

See my previous post, you won’t like it!

No, it's not. Merely being in the building may qualify for trespassing.

What do you think the difference is between trespassing and burglary?

Trespassing can be charged in public places, and other types of property such as vehicles and boats. Usually associated with damaging the property.

However if the property is a dwelling, then first degree burglary it is. Sorry to break it to you.

But is it a dwelling? Nope. Right now it’s lumber. Nobody is dwelling there because the damn thing is wide open. Nobody has as of yet ever dwelled there, you can see that by the video. It’s property at the moment not living space so it could be argued that the only thing that happened is trespass and not burglary. You don’t kill people for trespassing. You sure as hell don’t kill someone if you DON’T OWN THE PROPERTY! How did the McMichaels know that Arbery wasn’t one of the people working on the house? Arbery could have been a friend of the owner with permission to be there. McMichaels didn’t approach him nicely and question why Arbery was there. They grabbed guns, blocked his path and shot him twice in the chest no questions asked and worst of all IT WASN’T THEIR FUCKING BUSINESS IN THE FIRST PLACE!

Hey they got a place for somone like you in hollywood....writing fiction for some of their idiotic movies.

Anyhow most of what you mention is irrelevant....the only thing relevant to this case is the fact that the black guy attacked a white guy with a shotgun....the video makes that clear....why do liberals refuse to watch the video?

Let me guess...afraid of the truth?

Honestly, it takes a special kind of idiot to completely dismiss as irrelevant the fact that the two guys armed themselves and then got in a pick up and chased this guy down. That will actually be at the very center of this case and, if you don't understand why, you should probably stop commenting.

By the way, I'm a white guy in his late 50's, conservative, NRA member, CWP holder, I carry every day and I hate criminals.

I am profoundly confident in my belief that Travis McMichael and Gregory McMichael will be found guilty of the charges against them and will that they will spend a very, very long time in prison...

In my book being a conservative means being able to conserve something. With this attitude, you won't be able to conserve even your pants, let alone due process or America. You do understand the case is a manufactured case by people who hate you? Literal socialist propaganda and you are slurping it up like a dog.

No. This case is literally a textbook do not do that literally tens of thousands of gun owners have been trained on. Literally.

First. Do not pull or point your weapon unless you intend to use it. Travis broke that rule jumping out of his truck intending to hold the AA at gunpoint for the cops. Second. Do not go looking for trouble. Travis broke that rule too as did Daddy. It was never going to end well. Not in Georgia. Georgia where hundreds of people are in prison right now for Aggravated Assault.

Third. If you do shoot someone shit your fucking mouth. Say nothing until you have a lawyer. Both of the McMichaels broke that rule which is why we have a statement to police that the “conservatives” are busy ignoring.

Fourth. Never forget your license to carry is not a badge and you are not a cop. You do not have powers of arrest. So even the attempt to stop AA was a crime. Especially as part of an armed posse of self appointed yahoos.

Now many people have said that the Aggravated Assault statute was too restrictive. There were meetings in the State Senate to change it. No way it gets changed now. Not with the McMorons literally demonstrating that all the doom and gloom predictions by the anti gunners are totally true. They have set back the effort to protect gun owners by at least a decade.

Worse yet we have to rehash the fucking Hate Crimes law again. So that is going to be an election issue this year thanks to the notoriously corrupt D.A. in Glynn County. Again.

So no. Conservatives are not conserving or preserving. OK. They are preserving the worst traits and stereotypes from history. That is not a thing to proclaim. Not if you consider your beliefs to be based in law and order.

Conservative pundits including those with law degrees disagree with you. But they are wrong and you are right. Cops in Georgia disagree with you. But they are wrong and you are right. Lawyers, Judges, and the gun owners I know. Friends and acquaintances. My neighbors and folks around town alike all say that this was the worst shooting we have had in decades. But they are all wrong and you are right.

Precedence in Georgia law says you are wrong. But anyone who says so is a black apologist to you blithering idiots.

I said it many pages in this thread ago. If you really want to help the McMichaels start collecting money. Because they are going to need a million dollars or more to have any chance at defending themselves in court. The Prosecutor will have access to unlimited funds and power.

You idiots are not helping the McMichaels or your cause. If you want to help, write a check and send it to his family. They are going to need it. Because I figure they have about one chance in ten of a hung jury. They have almost no chance of complete exoneration. But with enough money and a good enough lawyer they might be able to plea bargain themselves out in five to ten. Because the Jury will send them up for twenty to life if it goes to trial. The McMichaels are not going to be facing a rookie Prosecutor. They are going up against the Varsity. The best in the State. All because the Good Old Boys club tried to sweep it under the rug.

Sadly. If they had been arrested at the time of the shooting for the same charges, they might have gotten off with three years or less. Manslaughter and Aggravated Assault. Now to show the outrage at the abuse of position for the Prosecutor in Glynn County they are going for the Max. And the Prosecutors who tried to sweep it under the rug are up for a review which could lose them their law licenses. Corruption runs deep in Georgia. But when it is exposed they throw those few to the wolves to protect the rest.

We have been trying to tell you idiots. But you won’t listen. So keep talking. And keep pushing your insane ideals. I bet you can talk Travis right into death row. He was a hot head who grabbed a gun and in this State that is an express ticket to an extended stay at the Gray Bar Hotel.

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You keep making stuff up....no evidence that Travis intended to hold anyone at gunpoint.....thousands of people in Georgia and other states carry guns around with no intent to hold anyone ....that is just some braindead fantasy you have manufactured...completely absurd.

Also a rule is not a law....some gun club or shooting instructor may tell the students do not pull your gun unless you intend to use it....might be good advice in certain situations but not all situations.

Pulling a gun means pulling it out of the holster or your pocket.....how do you pull out a shotgun hehheh. You are so ridiculous.

Then you say Travis jumped out of his truck...trying to make it sound like when the black moron ran up to the truck Travis just jumped out and shot him....more spinning on your part....Travis was out of the truck quite a while before travis ran up on the truck....Travis did not point the shotgun at Travis until he was attacked and even then he had a very difficult time to get it pointed in a manner to score a lethal shot as the Negro kept grabbing the gun...but the black dudes real big mistake was letting go of the gun in order to start punching Travis...this allowed Travis to get a clean shot at his attacker and dispatch the insane negro...Kudos for Travis.

Then you mention aggravated assault....I seriously doubt you have a good understanding of what that is ...especially in this case....you cite laws but as has been said you do not have the intelligence needed to adequately interpet the law. Sure you have been around para-legals but that obviously has not helped you...if you had actually gone to law school you might have learned a bit about how to interpet and apply law....you attempt over and over to use the law to subvert the truth....you fail everytime.

Again and again and again you claim they had no right to make a citizens arrest....bullshite....I cited the Georgia law on that and others have as well.....and here it is again..................In Georgia, the law states that a private person may arrest someone if a crime is committed in his presence or “within his immediate knowledge.” But if it is a felony, the citizen can stop someone from escaping if the citizen has “reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.”

The older white guy had knowledge of a crime from watching a video of the black dude trespassing hence he was entitled to make a citizens arrest....though he did not make a citizens arrest nor attempt to make a citizens arrest.

Thus you keep citing irrelevant bullshit....because you do not want to get down to the nitty gritty of this case aka what is really relevant....so your ramble and ramble trying to divert everyones attention away from the fact that the black dude is the one who committed assault and the jury will have no problem understanding that when they see the video and that is why the blacks got so upset with the guy for releasing the video...it clearly shows the black dude comitting assault.

You also conveiniently forget the elder McMichael had decades of law enforcement experience....he was not just some yahoo as you want to claim.

I do agree with you they should not have been talking without a lawyer....a lot of innocent people make that mistake...thinking because they are innocent they have nothing to worry about....failing to understand how whatever the say can be twisted or in some cases words have been added to their statements they did not even make in order to convict them....thus it is good advice to tell everyone...if you ever get involved with the criminal justice system....just shut up and tell them you want a lawyer.

Then you talk about a 'posse' in another effort to spin a scenario that did not exist aka a group out to lynch some negro....there was the Father and there was the son and they were not out to lynch anyone....they simply wanted this guy caught in order to protect their neighborhood....and there is little doubt that the negro was a danger to the community....as he had well demonstrated previously....carrying a loaded weapon to school, stealing, having a mental history, assault and wandering around at night going into and onto other folks property...if anyone does not see the danger in that they have no business commenting on this case.

Then you go on and on about how they are ceretain to be convicted....ridiculous...of course they will need a good lawyer but that is true of just about everyone that has been charged with a crime....the state actually has a very weak case.....especially with the video and the criminal history of the black guy not even to mention his mental health history.... a lot of folks thought just like you when they predicted George Zimmerman would go to jail....Z prevailed and he did not even have a video to prove the black guy assaulted him...what he did have going for him was a honest jury who saw through the states efforts to railroad a innocent man.

Thus in this case if the McMichaels can also get a honest jury....without a majority of negroes on it...then they should prevail....if there are a lot of negroes on it then the likliehood of a hung jury is very probable.

I do not see them convicted in any way shape or form....they may have to have
two or three trials before the state understands they will not be able to convict them but eventually they will walk.

"In Georgia, the law states that a private person may arrestsomeone if a crime is committed in his presence or “within his immediate knowledge.” But if it is a felony, the citizen can stop someone from escaping if the citizen has “reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.”

Great, what felony did Arbery commit that was witnessed by McMichael or that he had immediate knowledge of?

They knew him from other times he was trespassing and stealing.

Bullshit. A never ending stream of bullshit is all you post simply because it supports your perverted view of the events. Show me a link proving that!

Never mind! You can't, so why not just STFU instead of lying?

They literally called to 911 two weeks before. Get informed loser.

Great, postvthat 911 call...

 

[SavannahMann]

The owner of the property Mr. English said nothing was ever taken, he did not know the McMichaels and only met one of them once when he bought the property. At no time did English ever ask McMichaels to do anything on his behalf. This begs the question what business was it of the McMichaels? Absolutely none. Do people in Georgia always find it agreeable to stick their nose in another mans business? The McMichaels seem to think so.

Bing

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It’s not up to him, they have property of concern, they don’t want a pattern developed it’s really simple. Go to the south side of Chicago

It is up to him. It is his property. Only he can file a complaint for Trespassing. And his testimony at the trial is going to be really harmful for the defense.

Nonsense...again you prove you lack legal expertise despite all your tutoring from para-legals bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa As has been pointed out to you many times nothing that happened before the black guy assaulted the younger McMichaels has any relevancy....no matter what happened before....even if he had been followed, harassed, or falsely arrested (none of which happened) gave him (the insane negro) the right to committ assault...try and wrap your head around that if you want to stop looking so stupid.

Again. That is where you are wrong according to actual lawyers.

The Ahmaud Arbery Killing and Georgia Law

Explaining the legal issues surrounding the incident of two white men shooting a black jogger they suspected of a crime

arcdigital.media

The most important part of this statute is the unwritten bit — you are allowed to make arrests only with “reasonable force.” You can’t burn down an orphanage to catch one child snatching extra bowls of gruel. And the Georgia Supreme Court has held, as a matter of law, that you can’t chase someone down with a weapon because you think they have committed burglary. For example, it held that there was no evidence of a “citizen’s arrest” when a man with a baseball bat chased down someone who burglarized his home.

The McMichaels will have a hard time establishing that a crime was committed within their presence or immediate knowledge. But even if they get past those serious hurtles, they’re still stuck justifying hemming an unarmed man in with a truck and guns when those acts are each serious felonies under Georgia law.

Actual Lawyers seem to think you are wrong. But what do they know. I assume you have a BAR card and are licensed in Georgia. I honestly hope you are on the way to take over the defense of the McMichaels because they need all the legal help they can get. Because actual Georgia law applies to actual cases and decided by the actual Georgia Supreme Court says you are actually wrong.

They did not do anything unreasonable in making the arrest.

He only got shot because he grabbed a gun, this is reasonable self defense.

In the state of Georgia (and I believe this is true in all 50 states) if you initiate a confrontation, you cannot claim self defense. To wit: If I punch you in the face, and you then pick up a stick and hit me with it, I can't claim self defense if I shoot you and kill you.

It's mind boggling to know that there are idiots in this world who do not see someone arming himself, getting into a truck and chasing someone, and then getting out of that truck, with a loaded shotgun, as not initiating a confrontation...

Then how can you make a citizens arrest? To wit: I see a thug running out of my house ... then what happens?

That's not what happened here.

Focus.

Travis McMichael could not legally make a citizen's arrest because Arbery committed no crime in his presence, nor did McMichael have immediate, first hand knowledge of the crime. "First hand" means that Daddy McMichael telling Junior that Arbery committed a crime is insufficient to effect a citizen's arrest.

Had Daddy gotten his lard-ass out of the back of the truck, an argument might be able to be made that, since he allegedly saw the video, that he could make a citizen's arrest...

Reasonable suspicion is enough. For someone who lives in Georgia you certainly don't know the law, and apparently can't even read the thread since the law was already posted here.

By the way, fleeing itself can generate reasonable suspicion. Of course in this case, the suspicion turned out to be correct. It's also possible that they heard screams for the man to stop.

Well, if anyone needed further proof that you're a no-nothing dipshit, you just provided it here, dumbass.

I don't live in Georgia, and I've never claimed to.

I read from the Georgia Bar Association website:

"Citizen’s Arrests - As a private citizen, you have no authority to arrest anyone with a warrant. Without a warrant, you may arrest anyone who commits a misdemeanor or a felony in your presence or with your immediate knowledge. A citizen’s arrest occurs when a citizen prevents a suspect from leaving a scene. Citizen’s arrest most often happens in cases like shoplifting, when the store’s manager detains the suspected offender."

https://www.gabar.org/forthepublic/forteachersstudents/lre/teacherresources/upload/ch16.pdf

Arbery committed no crime in the presence of Travis McMichael, nor did Travis McMichael have immediate knowledge of any crime committed by Arbery. An example of "immediate knowledge" would be, say, a woman yelling to you that the guy running away from her carrying a woman's purse just stole her purse.

But, just for fun, let's pretend that Travis McMichael was in a position to legally perform a citizen's arrest of Arbery. The law in Georgia states: "When making a citizen’s arrest, a person may not use more force than is reasonable to make the arrest. Deadly force is limited to self-defense or to instances in which such force is necessary to prevent certain felonies."

Hopping out of the truck with a gun is clearly not the use of a minimum amount of force. In fact it's an unwarranted escalation of force for someone who's running down the road. So, as soon as his feet hit the ground he fucked up.

Now, even though you're too ignorant to wrap your head around this, we already know there's no legitimate claim to self-defense, simply because Travis and Gregory McMichael initiated the entire incident.

Lastly, deadly force is authorized to prevent someone from committing certain felonies, but not all. It's a felony to embezzle money from an employer. Deadly force is not authorized to stop it. Likewise, if Arbery had stolen something from a construction site days prior, that felony has not only already been committed, but it was committed outside the view or knowledge of Travis McMichael.

But none of those things are what happened.

I know you're not a fan of facts, but there ya' go...

I already posted the law it allows for arrest for only reasonable suspicion.

Stop spreading your fake news sources.

Fake news?? You don't like what it says so it's "fake news"?

You are slowly, but ever so surely, redefining the term "ignorant dipshit".

The source quoted in my post isn't a "fake news source", Zippy. It's the website for the Georgia State Bar Association.

You've just relegated yourself to "idiot clown" status. Nothing you say has value. Your opinions mean dick. You and your idiot ramblings are utterly meaningless...

Whatever it is, is not the law. Looks like fake news.

Here is the law.

2010 Georgia Code :: TITLE 17 - CRIMINAL PROCEDURE :: CHAPTER 4 - ARREST OF PERSONS :: ARTICLE 4 - ARREST BY PRIVATE PERSONS :: § 17-4-60 - Grounds for arrest

law.justia.com

A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

What part of, "If the offense is a felony," escapes your first grade level reading comprehension?

Arbery did not commit a felony.

Game over.

Which part of SUSPICION do you not understand?

He did not need to commit a thing. Further, you did not provide ANY evidence that he did not commit a burglary.

Did he commit a felony in the property? No.

No felony = no burglary = no suspicion.

Wrong. He probably went in with the INTENTION to steal, which is a burglary.

Prove that he didn't intend to do that.

But again, they only needed to suspect a burglary. An easy case...

So Innocent until proven guilty for the McMichaels but guilty until proven innocent for anyone else? And you wonder why there are so few who agree with you.

 

[Norman]

they didn't initiate a confrontation. there was at least 100 yards between the truck and the black man. no one from the truck did a thing to invoke a physical confrontation. The person who throws the first punch is always the one that starts a fight. who threw the first punch?

Can you describe what things must have looked like from the jogger's perspective?

Yes, people repeatedly calling you to "stop" and "drop it". If they wanted to shoot him they could have done that at any point.

It was a person who knew he was caught from a crime.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

As was the opinion of several lawyers who say that the McMichaels did not have Reasonable Suspicion by Georgia Law.

LOL

Yeah. You guys are starting to sound like a skit from The Onion.



No matter how many people tell you the truth you just won’t accept it. Fine with me. You can claim they are political prisoners. But think about this. The longer you protest the more you sound like the far leftists you detest who refuse to accept truth. The Bernie Bro’s who act like Socialism works if the right people are in charge as one example.

If I ever inject "the opinion of several lawyers" in any argument, then you can laugh too. Fair enough?

Here are two lawyers discussing the case. One who has been involved in many civil rights cases.



Discussion starts at 8 minute mark.

Wow! What a grabage piece of fake news. YouTube no less!

Two lawyers are now fake news?

Conservatives who never conserved anything are fake conservatives.

YouTube is fake news, especially if it is as moronic as you are!

Two lawyers one who has taken civil rights cases like the one where people were treated like dogs in prison is now fake news?

You truly are a total moron.

What the fuck does that have to do with this case? Please get an appointment with a doctor today!

BTW, I cannot stream YouTube because my wife works from home. All I have to do is see it is some nobody making a YouTube video and 9/11 "Truther" is all I see and hear. Take it up with Angelo, our resident conspiracy theorist.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

they didn't initiate a confrontation. there was at least 100 yards between the truck and the black man. no one from the truck did a thing to invoke a physical confrontation. The person who throws the first punch is always the one that starts a fight. who threw the first punch?

Can you describe what things must have looked like from the jogger's perspective?

Yes, people repeatedly calling you to "stop" and "drop it".

It was a person who knew he was caught from a crime.

He was under no obligation to comply.

 

[Norman]

If you come at me with a gun, I damn sure am not going to stop! The theft was 2 months prior and nothing pointed to him being the thief. I honestly think you are brain damaged.

A gun was present but, .....Nobody came at anybody with a gun.

Nothing pointed to him being a thief... except his history of being a thief!

If you look at the clip, does it look like someone who knew he was doing something wrong or not? Why do you need to spin left and right to see if anyone is watching if you are on a legitimate activity?

It was almost certainly a burglary.

 

[Faun]

The owner of the property Mr. English said nothing was ever taken, he did not know the McMichaels and only met one of them once when he bought the property. At no time did English ever ask McMichaels to do anything on his behalf. This begs the question what business was it of the McMichaels? Absolutely none. Do people in Georgia always find it agreeable to stick their nose in another mans business? The McMichaels seem to think so.

Bing

www.bing.com

It’s not up to him, they have property of concern, they don’t want a pattern developed it’s really simple. Go to the south side of Chicago

It is up to him. It is his property. Only he can file a complaint for Trespassing. And his testimony at the trial is going to be really harmful for the defense.

Nonsense...again you prove you lack legal expertise despite all your tutoring from para-legals bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa As has been pointed out to you many times nothing that happened before the black guy assaulted the younger McMichaels has any relevancy....no matter what happened before....even if he had been followed, harassed, or falsely arrested (none of which happened) gave him (the insane negro) the right to committ assault...try and wrap your head around that if you want to stop looking so stupid.

Again. That is where you are wrong according to actual lawyers.

The Ahmaud Arbery Killing and Georgia Law

Explaining the legal issues surrounding the incident of two white men shooting a black jogger they suspected of a crime

arcdigital.media

The most important part of this statute is the unwritten bit — you are allowed to make arrests only with “reasonable force.” You can’t burn down an orphanage to catch one child snatching extra bowls of gruel. And the Georgia Supreme Court has held, as a matter of law, that you can’t chase someone down with a weapon because you think they have committed burglary. For example, it held that there was no evidence of a “citizen’s arrest” when a man with a baseball bat chased down someone who burglarized his home.

The McMichaels will have a hard time establishing that a crime was committed within their presence or immediate knowledge. But even if they get past those serious hurtles, they’re still stuck justifying hemming an unarmed man in with a truck and guns when those acts are each serious felonies under Georgia law.

Actual Lawyers seem to think you are wrong. But what do they know. I assume you have a BAR card and are licensed in Georgia. I honestly hope you are on the way to take over the defense of the McMichaels because they need all the legal help they can get. Because actual Georgia law applies to actual cases and decided by the actual Georgia Supreme Court says you are actually wrong.

They did not do anything unreasonable in making the arrest.

He only got shot because he grabbed a gun, this is reasonable self defense.

In the state of Georgia (and I believe this is true in all 50 states) if you initiate a confrontation, you cannot claim self defense. To wit: If I punch you in the face, and you then pick up a stick and hit me with it, I can't claim self defense if I shoot you and kill you.

It's mind boggling to know that there are idiots in this world who do not see someone arming himself, getting into a truck and chasing someone, and then getting out of that truck, with a loaded shotgun, as not initiating a confrontation...

Fleeing from a crime scene is initiating the confrontation.

There was no crime scene. You're truly fucked in tne head.

Yes there was, a possible burglary. The black man thought he was going to be put away for a long time, therefore the attack.

There was no possible burglary in the imagination of either McMichael. All Gregory saw was a black guy running down his street. He didsee him come out of the house. And Travis, being inside at the time, didn't even see that.

 

[SavannahMann]

The cops did know the law, and that's why they did not arrest the two white heroes who caught a robber.

The crooked cops are about to get their just desserts.

Actually the cops wanted to arrest them but were told not to.

So while I am always suspicious of the police it looks like they were the first to realize this was too big to sweep under the rug.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The owner of the property Mr. English said nothing was ever taken, he did not know the McMichaels and only met one of them once when he bought the property. At no time did English ever ask McMichaels to do anything on his behalf. This begs the question what business was it of the McMichaels? Absolutely none. Do people in Georgia always find it agreeable to stick their nose in another mans business? The McMichaels seem to think so.

Bing

www.bing.com

It’s not up to him, they have property of concern, they don’t want a pattern developed it’s really simple. Go to the south side of Chicago

It is up to him. It is his property. Only he can file a complaint for Trespassing. And his testimony at the trial is going to be really harmful for the defense.

Nonsense...again you prove you lack legal expertise despite all your tutoring from para-legals bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa As has been pointed out to you many times nothing that happened before the black guy assaulted the younger McMichaels has any relevancy....no matter what happened before....even if he had been followed, harassed, or falsely arrested (none of which happened) gave him (the insane negro) the right to committ assault...try and wrap your head around that if you want to stop looking so stupid.

Again. That is where you are wrong according to actual lawyers.

The Ahmaud Arbery Killing and Georgia Law

Explaining the legal issues surrounding the incident of two white men shooting a black jogger they suspected of a crime

arcdigital.media

The most important part of this statute is the unwritten bit — you are allowed to make arrests only with “reasonable force.” You can’t burn down an orphanage to catch one child snatching extra bowls of gruel. And the Georgia Supreme Court has held, as a matter of law, that you can’t chase someone down with a weapon because you think they have committed burglary. For example, it held that there was no evidence of a “citizen’s arrest” when a man with a baseball bat chased down someone who burglarized his home.

The McMichaels will have a hard time establishing that a crime was committed within their presence or immediate knowledge. But even if they get past those serious hurtles, they’re still stuck justifying hemming an unarmed man in with a truck and guns when those acts are each serious felonies under Georgia law.

Actual Lawyers seem to think you are wrong. But what do they know. I assume you have a BAR card and are licensed in Georgia. I honestly hope you are on the way to take over the defense of the McMichaels because they need all the legal help they can get. Because actual Georgia law applies to actual cases and decided by the actual Georgia Supreme Court says you are actually wrong.

They did not do anything unreasonable in making the arrest.

He only got shot because he grabbed a gun, this is reasonable self defense.

Chasing someone with a weapon and SHOOTING someone with a weapon are two different things. It used to be legal to shoot thieves, that's what you are talking about.

They could NOT arrest him as he had not committed a felony in their presence. Now, push the "I believe" button and STFU until you have something intelligent to add. Judging by your iQ, that will be never!

they don't need to know that. it's why they call them suspects. anyone can be detained.

Wrong answer! That room temp range IQ is doing you no favors. They reading the Constitution.

 

[jc456]

The owner of the property Mr. English said nothing was ever taken, he did not know the McMichaels and only met one of them once when he bought the property. At no time did English ever ask McMichaels to do anything on his behalf. This begs the question what business was it of the McMichaels? Absolutely none. Do people in Georgia always find it agreeable to stick their nose in another mans business? The McMichaels seem to think so.

Bing

www.bing.com

It’s not up to him, they have property of concern, they don’t want a pattern developed it’s really simple. Go to the south side of Chicago

It is up to him. It is his property. Only he can file a complaint for Trespassing. And his testimony at the trial is going to be really harmful for the defense.

Nonsense...again you prove you lack legal expertise despite all your tutoring from para-legals bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa As has been pointed out to you many times nothing that happened before the black guy assaulted the younger McMichaels has any relevancy....no matter what happened before....even if he had been followed, harassed, or falsely arrested (none of which happened) gave him (the insane negro) the right to committ assault...try and wrap your head around that if you want to stop looking so stupid.

Again. That is where you are wrong according to actual lawyers.

The Ahmaud Arbery Killing and Georgia Law

Explaining the legal issues surrounding the incident of two white men shooting a black jogger they suspected of a crime

arcdigital.media

The most important part of this statute is the unwritten bit — you are allowed to make arrests only with “reasonable force.” You can’t burn down an orphanage to catch one child snatching extra bowls of gruel. And the Georgia Supreme Court has held, as a matter of law, that you can’t chase someone down with a weapon because you think they have committed burglary. For example, it held that there was no evidence of a “citizen’s arrest” when a man with a baseball bat chased down someone who burglarized his home.

The McMichaels will have a hard time establishing that a crime was committed within their presence or immediate knowledge. But even if they get past those serious hurtles, they’re still stuck justifying hemming an unarmed man in with a truck and guns when those acts are each serious felonies under Georgia law.

Actual Lawyers seem to think you are wrong. But what do they know. I assume you have a BAR card and are licensed in Georgia. I honestly hope you are on the way to take over the defense of the McMichaels because they need all the legal help they can get. Because actual Georgia law applies to actual cases and decided by the actual Georgia Supreme Court says you are actually wrong.

They did not do anything unreasonable in making the arrest.

He only got shot because he grabbed a gun, this is reasonable self defense.

In the state of Georgia (and I believe this is true in all 50 states) if you initiate a confrontation, you cannot claim self defense. To wit: If I punch you in the face, and you then pick up a stick and hit me with it, I can't claim self defense if I shoot you and kill you.

It's mind boggling to know that there are idiots in this world who do not see someone arming himself, getting into a truck and chasing someone, and then getting out of that truck, with a loaded shotgun, as not initiating a confrontation...

they didn't initiate a confrontation. there was at least 100 yards between the truck and the black man. no one from the truck did a thing to invoke a physical confrontation. The person who throws the first punch is always the one that starts a fight. who threw the first punch?

Who had the loaded weapon? That is assault, just like throwing a punch.

never made a threat. I can have a loaded weapon and not initiate a fight. they weren't near him, he moved to them. again, the video isn't your friend.

The video shows the younger suspect exiting the driver's side of the vehicle and the first shot was fired in front of the truck, how did he get there? Teleportation hasn't been invented yet.

By walking there. He was going to detain the suspect.

Walking is not illegal.

Detaining him was illegal. They have no right whatsoever to stop and detain him.

they never detained anyone. but sure they can. there isn't a law saying they can't. you are mistaken like a leftist now.

Holding someone against their will is the same as kidnapping, you fucking twit!

Making arrest is legal under probable cause. The black man was also guilty of resisting an arrest.

For about the 40th time, there was no fucking probable cause!

you have no idea. people called 911, that made it probable cause whether there was an actual robbery or not.

No. What did the 911 call say, since you are the expert?

there was concern in the neighborhood. send a cop.

 

[SavannahMann]

Facts of this case......a father and son associated with law enforcement and never in trouble of any kind, never arrested for anything but are called criminals by the liberals

vs.

The black jogger............who comidtted a felony (brought a gun to school) was convicted placed on 5 yrs probation.

The he engaged in theft thus violating his probation.....but nothing was done...he should have been in jail. If he had been where he belonged he would still be alive.

Yet the liberals want us to believe he is just so innocent...he ranks right up there with Mother Teresa
bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Then just like the the Zimmerman case the media plays games with photos..........show the best possible photo of the black dude they could find......but show the white dudes in their jail outfit.

Keep tuned this case is getting crazier by the second.

Latest development....video emerges of the black dude visiting that same home at night....what is that all about? Did he have some sort of obsession with that house....maybe Satan lured him there...as in the devil made him do it???

Miscarriage of justice,, poor guys are being lynched by democrats

And the Earth is Flat. We faked the moon landing. Artificial Sweeteners are good for you, and Anna Nicole married for Love. Any other insane conspiracy theories you believe in besides these?

They did nothing wrong, if you stop pretending the black did nothing wrong it might dawn on you that this is serious. These men deserve to be treated fairly. Just stop pretending this kid did nothing wrong it insane.

Oh, they'll be treated fairly -- once they're incarcerated. Inmates love cops.

you sound like a terrorist.. you want two innocent men in jail to die for political reasons, to race bait.. you are a terrorist

Well they murdered someone, so why is it unfair for them to face the same consequences?

In self defense? You terrorist

It wasn't in self defense. Georgia law does not protect the aggressor in an altercation with self defense. And Travis McMichael was the aggressor by arming himself with no knowledge of Arbery but with the intent to chase him down and stop him.

We clearly see the black kid darting in front of the truck to attack the son.. standing there with a shotgun is not an active and aggression he saying stop stop we want to talk to you

Liar, McMichael couldn't have just been standing there. Scotty didn't beam him from about 4 feet to the left of the truck to being in front of it.

He was asking him to stop so they could talk..

Which brings me back to ... with Travis block the road with a shotgun, why should Arbery have assumed they only wanted to talk?

Because they had been chasing the person for a good time. There is more info on this in the police report. But it is very inconceivable that at this point, he did not know what the deal was.

There was no reason for them to stop Arbery so there was no reason for why Arbery would know why they wanted him to stop.

They suspected him of burglary.

He was reported to 911.

No reason? Please...

How did they know he was suspected of burglary if the call went to 911?

The police report says:

According to the initial police report, the McMichaels told police that they pursued Arbery because he resembled a suspect in a string of local burglaries.

And soon we will almost certainly find out that he WAS the man behind the burglaries. And leftists will moan and cry as usual when their fake news story gets destroyed piece by piece.

Ok on the day of the shooting what did her burglarize?

The dwelling under construction.

Liar. There is no evidence Arbery burglarized that house. The 911 caller did not say anything was taken. The homeowner said nothing was taken. The video of Arbery inside the home does not show him taking anything or looking to take anything.

If truth and reality were on your side, you wouldn't have to lie like ya do.

Nothing needed to be taken, dumbass.
Merely being in the dwelling without permission is considered burglary in Georgia.

See my previous post, you won’t like it!

No, it's not. Merely being in the building may qualify for trespassing.

What do you think the difference is between trespassing and burglary?

Trespassing can be charged in public places, and other types of property such as vehicles and boats. Usually associated with damaging the property.

However if the property is a dwelling, then first degree burglary it is. Sorry to break it to you.

But is it a dwelling? Nope. Right now it’s lumber. Nobody is dwelling there because the damn thing is wide open. Nobody has as of yet ever dwelled there, you can see that by the video. It’s property at the moment not living space so it could be argued that the only thing that happened is trespass and not burglary. You don’t kill people for trespassing. You sure as hell don’t kill someone if you DON’T OWN THE PROPERTY! How did the McMichaels know that Arbery wasn’t one of the people working on the house? Arbery could have been a friend of the owner with permission to be there. McMichaels didn’t approach him nicely and question why Arbery was there. They grabbed guns, blocked his path and shot him twice in the chest no questions asked and worst of all IT WASN’T THEIR FUCKING BUSINESS IN THE FIRST PLACE!

Hey they got a place for somone like you in hollywood....writing fiction for some of their idiotic movies.

Anyhow most of what you mention is irrelevant....the only thing relevant to this case is the fact that the black guy attacked a white guy with a shotgun....the video makes that clear....why do liberals refuse to watch the video?

Let me guess...afraid of the truth?

Honestly, it takes a special kind of idiot to completely dismiss as irrelevant the fact that the two guys armed themselves and then got in a pick up and chased this guy down. That will actually be at the very center of this case and, if you don't understand why, you should probably stop commenting.

By the way, I'm a white guy in his late 50's, conservative, NRA member, CWP holder, I carry every day and I hate criminals.

I am profoundly confident in my belief that Travis McMichael and Gregory McMichael will be found guilty of the charges against them and will that they will spend a very, very long time in prison...

In my book being a conservative means being able to conserve something. With this attitude, you won't be able to conserve even your pants, let alone due process or America. You do understand the case is a manufactured case by people who hate you? Literal socialist propaganda and you are slurping it up like a dog.

No. This case is literally a textbook do not do that literally tens of thousands of gun owners have been trained on. Literally.

First. Do not pull or point your weapon unless you intend to use it. Travis broke that rule jumping out of his truck intending to hold the AA at gunpoint for the cops. Second. Do not go looking for trouble. Travis broke that rule too as did Daddy. It was never going to end well. Not in Georgia. Georgia where hundreds of people are in prison right now for Aggravated Assault.

Third. If you do shoot someone shit your fucking mouth. Say nothing until you have a lawyer. Both of the McMichaels broke that rule which is why we have a statement to police that the “conservatives” are busy ignoring.

Fourth. Never forget your license to carry is not a badge and you are not a cop. You do not have powers of arrest. So even the attempt to stop AA was a crime. Especially as part of an armed posse of self appointed yahoos.

Now many people have said that the Aggravated Assault statute was too restrictive. There were meetings in the State Senate to change it. No way it gets changed now. Not with the McMorons literally demonstrating that all the doom and gloom predictions by the anti gunners are totally true. They have set back the effort to protect gun owners by at least a decade.

Worse yet we have to rehash the fucking Hate Crimes law again. So that is going to be an election issue this year thanks to the notoriously corrupt D.A. in Glynn County. Again.

So no. Conservatives are not conserving or preserving. OK. They are preserving the worst traits and stereotypes from history. That is not a thing to proclaim. Not if you consider your beliefs to be based in law and order.

Conservative pundits including those with law degrees disagree with you. But they are wrong and you are right. Cops in Georgia disagree with you. But they are wrong and you are right. Lawyers, Judges, and the gun owners I know. Friends and acquaintances. My neighbors and folks around town alike all say that this was the worst shooting we have had in decades. But they are all wrong and you are right.

Precedence in Georgia law says you are wrong. But anyone who says so is a black apologist to you blithering idiots.

I said it many pages in this thread ago. If you really want to help the McMichaels start collecting money. Because they are going to need a million dollars or more to have any chance at defending themselves in court. The Prosecutor will have access to unlimited funds and power.

You idiots are not helping the McMichaels or your cause. If you want to help, write a check and send it to his family. They are going to need it. Because I figure they have about one chance in ten of a hung jury. They have almost no chance of complete exoneration. But with enough money and a good enough lawyer they might be able to plea bargain themselves out in five to ten. Because the Jury will send them up for twenty to life if it goes to trial. The McMichaels are not going to be facing a rookie Prosecutor. They are going up against the Varsity. The best in the State. All because the Good Old Boys club tried to sweep it under the rug.

Sadly. If they had been arrested at the time of the shooting for the same charges, they might have gotten off with three years or less. Manslaughter and Aggravated Assault. Now to show the outrage at the abuse of position for the Prosecutor in Glynn County they are going for the Max. And the Prosecutors who tried to sweep it under the rug are up for a review which could lose them their law licenses. Corruption runs deep in Georgia. But when it is exposed they throw those few to the wolves to protect the rest.

We have been trying to tell you idiots. But you won’t listen. So keep talking. And keep pushing your insane ideals. I bet you can talk Travis right into death row. He was a hot head who grabbed a gun and in this State that is an express ticket to an extended stay at the Gray Bar Hotel.

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You keep making stuff up....no evidence that Travis intended to hold anyone at gunpoint.....thousands of people in Georgia and other states carry guns around with no intent to hold anyone ....that is just some braindead fantasy you have manufactured...completely absurd.

Also a rule is not a law....some gun club or shooting instructor may tell the students do not pull your gun unless you intend to use it....might be good advice in certain situations but not all situations.

Pulling a gun means pulling it out of the holster or your pocket.....how do you pull out a shotgun hehheh. You are so ridiculous.

Then you say Travis jumped out of his truck...trying to make it sound like when the black moron ran up to the truck Travis just jumped out and shot him....more spinning on your part....Travis was out of the truck quite a while before travis ran up on the truck....Travis did not point the shotgun at Travis until he was attacked and even then he had a very difficult time to get it pointed in a manner to score a lethal shot as the Negro kept grabbing the gun...but the black dudes real big mistake was letting go of the gun in order to start punching Travis...this allowed Travis to get a clean shot at his attacker and dispatch the insane negro...Kudos for Travis.

Then you mention aggravated assault....I seriously doubt you have a good understanding of what that is ...especially in this case....you cite laws but as has been said you do not have the intelligence needed to adequately interpet the law. Sure you have been around para-legals but that obviously has not helped you...if you had actually gone to law school you might have learned a bit about how to interpet and apply law....you attempt over and over to use the law to subvert the truth....you fail everytime.

Again and again and again you claim they had no right to make a citizens arrest....bullshite....I cited the Georgia law on that and others have as well.....and here it is again..................In Georgia, the law states that a private person may arrest someone if a crime is committed in his presence or “within his immediate knowledge.” But if it is a felony, the citizen can stop someone from escaping if the citizen has “reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.”

The older white guy had knowledge of a crime from watching a video of the black dude trespassing hence he was entitled to make a citizens arrest....though he did not make a citizens arrest nor attempt to make a citizens arrest.

Thus you keep citing irrelevant bullshit....because you do not want to get down to the nitty gritty of this case aka what is really relevant....so your ramble and ramble trying to divert everyones attention away from the fact that the black dude is the one who committed assault and the jury will have no problem understanding that when they see the video and that is why the blacks got so upset with the guy for releasing the video...it clearly shows the black dude comitting assault.

You also conveiniently forget the elder McMichael had decades of law enforcement experience....he was not just some yahoo as you want to claim.

I do agree with you they should not have been talking without a lawyer....a lot of innocent people make that mistake...thinking because they are innocent they have nothing to worry about....failing to understand how whatever the say can be twisted or in some cases words have been added to their statements they did not even make in order to convict them....thus it is good advice to tell everyone...if you ever get involved with the criminal justice system....just shut up and tell them you want a lawyer.

Then you talk about a 'posse' in another effort to spin a scenario that did not exist aka a group out to lynch some negro....there was the Father and there was the son and they were not out to lynch anyone....they simply wanted this guy caught in order to protect their neighborhood....and there is little doubt that the negro was a danger to the community....as he had well demonstrated previously....carrying a loaded weapon to school, stealing, having a mental history, assault and wandering around at night going into and onto other folks property...if anyone does not see the danger in that they have no business commenting on this case.

Then you go on and on about how they are ceretain to be convicted....ridiculous...of course they will need a good lawyer but that is true of just about everyone that has been charged with a crime....the state actually has a very weak case.....especially with the video and the criminal history of the black guy not even to mention his mental health history.... a lot of folks thought just like you when they predicted George Zimmerman would go to jail....Z prevailed and he did not even have a video to prove the black guy assaulted him...what he did have going for him was a honest jury who saw through the states efforts to railroad a innocent man.

Thus in this case if the McMichaels can also get a honest jury....without a majority of negroes on it...then they should prevail....if there are a lot of negroes on it then the likliehood of a hung jury is very probable.

I do not see them convicted in any way shape or form....they may have to have
two or three trials before the state understands they will not be able to convict them but eventually they will walk.

"In Georgia, the law states that a private person may arrestsomeone if a crime is committed in his presence or “within his immediate knowledge.” But if it is a felony, the citizen can stop someone from escaping if the citizen has “reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.”

Great, what felony did Arbery commit that was witnessed by McMichael or that he had immediate knowledge of?

They knew him from other times he was trespassing and stealing.

Bullshit. A never ending stream of bullshit is all you post simply because it supports your perverted view of the events. Show me a link proving that!

Never mind! You can't, so why not just STFU instead of lying?

They literally called to 911 two weeks before. Get informed loser.

Post it.

 

[Norman]

The owner of the property Mr. English said nothing was ever taken, he did not know the McMichaels and only met one of them once when he bought the property. At no time did English ever ask McMichaels to do anything on his behalf. This begs the question what business was it of the McMichaels? Absolutely none. Do people in Georgia always find it agreeable to stick their nose in another mans business? The McMichaels seem to think so.

Bing

www.bing.com

It’s not up to him, they have property of concern, they don’t want a pattern developed it’s really simple. Go to the south side of Chicago

It is up to him. It is his property. Only he can file a complaint for Trespassing. And his testimony at the trial is going to be really harmful for the defense.

Nonsense...again you prove you lack legal expertise despite all your tutoring from para-legals bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa As has been pointed out to you many times nothing that happened before the black guy assaulted the younger McMichaels has any relevancy....no matter what happened before....even if he had been followed, harassed, or falsely arrested (none of which happened) gave him (the insane negro) the right to committ assault...try and wrap your head around that if you want to stop looking so stupid.

Again. That is where you are wrong according to actual lawyers.

The Ahmaud Arbery Killing and Georgia Law

Explaining the legal issues surrounding the incident of two white men shooting a black jogger they suspected of a crime

arcdigital.media

The most important part of this statute is the unwritten bit — you are allowed to make arrests only with “reasonable force.” You can’t burn down an orphanage to catch one child snatching extra bowls of gruel. And the Georgia Supreme Court has held, as a matter of law, that you can’t chase someone down with a weapon because you think they have committed burglary. For example, it held that there was no evidence of a “citizen’s arrest” when a man with a baseball bat chased down someone who burglarized his home.

The McMichaels will have a hard time establishing that a crime was committed within their presence or immediate knowledge. But even if they get past those serious hurtles, they’re still stuck justifying hemming an unarmed man in with a truck and guns when those acts are each serious felonies under Georgia law.

Actual Lawyers seem to think you are wrong. But what do they know. I assume you have a BAR card and are licensed in Georgia. I honestly hope you are on the way to take over the defense of the McMichaels because they need all the legal help they can get. Because actual Georgia law applies to actual cases and decided by the actual Georgia Supreme Court says you are actually wrong.

They did not do anything unreasonable in making the arrest.

He only got shot because he grabbed a gun, this is reasonable self defense.

In the state of Georgia (and I believe this is true in all 50 states) if you initiate a confrontation, you cannot claim self defense. To wit: If I punch you in the face, and you then pick up a stick and hit me with it, I can't claim self defense if I shoot you and kill you.

It's mind boggling to know that there are idiots in this world who do not see someone arming himself, getting into a truck and chasing someone, and then getting out of that truck, with a loaded shotgun, as not initiating a confrontation...

Fleeing from a crime scene is initiating the confrontation.

There was no crime scene. You're truly fucked in tne head.

Yes there was, a possible burglary. The black man thought he was going to be put away for a long time, therefore the attack.

There was no possible burglary in the imagination of either McMichael. All Gregory saw was a black guy running down his street. He didsee him come out of the house. And Travis, being inside at the time, didn't even see that.

Wrong, there were break ins in the neighborhood before, they called 911 two weeks prior. Known thing in the hood and someone runs without stopping.

Their hunch was correct, they got a thief.

 

[SavannahMann]

That is not why the Prosecutor is going to be defending his law license. It is because he decided to Recuse himself and still issued instructions to the police. That is misconduct.

Blah, blah, blah... It is clear the white men did nothing wrong. The black man charged at a shotgun and paid the price for it.

This is what all already concluded until the crazy SJWs got a sniff of the case as if it was young girl near Biden.

That you respond with "blahblahblah" illustrates only one of two things: that you're devoid of anything intelligent to add, or you understand that SavannahMann is right.

Gregory and Travis McMichael are going to be found guilty. All of your racist whining isn't change that...

More blah, blah, blah.

They did nothing wrong, that's the fact.

OK. Lets deal with the link I shared. Why would an experienced Defense Attorney who has argued before the State Supreme Court disagree with you?

As I said before, initially no charges were brought up. It was clear cut to all, including the prosecutor that no wrongdoing occurred.

The prosecutor employed McMichael at one time. It was a clear cut case for recusal, which they eventually did.

It's a clear cut case of no crime being committed.

The police say they wanted to arrest the McMichaels but were told not to. Why would the cops want to arrest them for no crime?

 

[jc456]

The owner of the property Mr. English said nothing was ever taken, he did not know the McMichaels and only met one of them once when he bought the property. At no time did English ever ask McMichaels to do anything on his behalf. This begs the question what business was it of the McMichaels? Absolutely none. Do people in Georgia always find it agreeable to stick their nose in another mans business? The McMichaels seem to think so.

Bing

www.bing.com

It’s not up to him, they have property of concern, they don’t want a pattern developed it’s really simple. Go to the south side of Chicago

It is up to him. It is his property. Only he can file a complaint for Trespassing. And his testimony at the trial is going to be really harmful for the defense.

Nonsense...again you prove you lack legal expertise despite all your tutoring from para-legals bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa As has been pointed out to you many times nothing that happened before the black guy assaulted the younger McMichaels has any relevancy....no matter what happened before....even if he had been followed, harassed, or falsely arrested (none of which happened) gave him (the insane negro) the right to committ assault...try and wrap your head around that if you want to stop looking so stupid.

Again. That is where you are wrong according to actual lawyers.

The Ahmaud Arbery Killing and Georgia Law

Explaining the legal issues surrounding the incident of two white men shooting a black jogger they suspected of a crime

arcdigital.media

The most important part of this statute is the unwritten bit — you are allowed to make arrests only with “reasonable force.” You can’t burn down an orphanage to catch one child snatching extra bowls of gruel. And the Georgia Supreme Court has held, as a matter of law, that you can’t chase someone down with a weapon because you think they have committed burglary. For example, it held that there was no evidence of a “citizen’s arrest” when a man with a baseball bat chased down someone who burglarized his home.

The McMichaels will have a hard time establishing that a crime was committed within their presence or immediate knowledge. But even if they get past those serious hurtles, they’re still stuck justifying hemming an unarmed man in with a truck and guns when those acts are each serious felonies under Georgia law.

Actual Lawyers seem to think you are wrong. But what do they know. I assume you have a BAR card and are licensed in Georgia. I honestly hope you are on the way to take over the defense of the McMichaels because they need all the legal help they can get. Because actual Georgia law applies to actual cases and decided by the actual Georgia Supreme Court says you are actually wrong.

They did not do anything unreasonable in making the arrest.

He only got shot because he grabbed a gun, this is reasonable self defense.

Chasing someone with a weapon and SHOOTING someone with a weapon are two different things. It used to be legal to shoot thieves, that's what you are talking about.

They could NOT arrest him as he had not committed a felony in their presence. Now, push the "I believe" button and STFU until you have something intelligent to add. Judging by your iQ, that will be never!

they don't need to know that. it's why they call them suspects. anyone can be detained.

Wrong answer! That room temp range IQ is doing you no favors. They reading the Constitution.

post a statute that says that a known burglary is required to detain someone for a probable cause? to get a warrant yes, but not to detain. you're in leftist land again.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

As was the opinion of several lawyers who say that the McMichaels did not have Reasonable Suspicion by Georgia Law.

LOL

Yeah. You guys are starting to sound like a skit from The Onion.



No matter how many people tell you the truth you just won’t accept it. Fine with me. You can claim they are political prisoners. But think about this. The longer you protest the more you sound like the far leftists you detest who refuse to accept truth. The Bernie Bro’s who act like Socialism works if the right people are in charge as one example.

If I ever inject "the opinion of several lawyers" in any argument, then you can laugh too. Fair enough?

Here are two lawyers discussing the case. One who has been involved in many civil rights cases.



Discussion starts at 8 minute mark.

Wow! What a grabage piece of fake news. YouTube no less!

Two lawyers are now fake news?

Conservatives who never conserved anything are fake conservatives.

Tell us where they went wrong...

Any moron can get a law degree. Look at the Obama's, Joe Biden, Adam Schiff, etc. They are wrong 99% of the time and get it shoved up there ass on a regular basis.

 

[jc456]

That is not why the Prosecutor is going to be defending his law license. It is because he decided to Recuse himself and still issued instructions to the police. That is misconduct.

Blah, blah, blah... It is clear the white men did nothing wrong. The black man charged at a shotgun and paid the price for it.

This is what all already concluded until the crazy SJWs got a sniff of the case as if it was young girl near Biden.

That you respond with "blahblahblah" illustrates only one of two things: that you're devoid of anything intelligent to add, or you understand that SavannahMann is right.

Gregory and Travis McMichael are going to be found guilty. All of your racist whining isn't change that...

More blah, blah, blah.

They did nothing wrong, that's the fact.

OK. Lets deal with the link I shared. Why would an experienced Defense Attorney who has argued before the State Supreme Court disagree with you?

As I said before, initially no charges were brought up. It was clear cut to all, including the prosecutor that no wrongdoing occurred.

The prosecutor employed McMichael at one time. It was a clear cut case for recusal, which they eventually did.

It's a clear cut case of no crime being committed.

The police say they wanted to arrest the McMichaels but were told not to. Why would the cops want to arrest them for no crime?

they should have confiscated the gun, just like they do with a cop's gun. not sure why they didn't. That would be protocol.