New York OKs $15 minimum wage for fast-food workers

[Brain357]

Ok let's cut you like the bitch you are.

The US poverty level in the US is currently $11,888. The marker for welfare is 140% of the poverty threshold. Meaning of course you can (were talking a single person here) earn $11,888 * 140% or $16643 per year and still qualify for welfare.

There are 2080 hours in a work year . A little simple math tells us that anyone making $8 an hour or LESS as a single person qualifies for welfare. And that is before any allowable deductions they make to adjust your income. I believe last I read it works out to about $.70 per hour , so that if you are making $8.70 per hour or less and working full time you can still qualify for welfare.

Making your remarks about minimum wage workers completely null and void since we are not talking about JUST minimum wage workers here. We're talking about almost every adult worker who is currently earning <$10 an hour.

Boohoo....cry me a fucking river.

If you won the life lottery and were born in the USA , "the land of opportunity" and you still need a fucking handout- you're a FUCKING LOSER.

Welfare is for retards, orphans, and cripples. It's not a lifestyle unless you're a LOSER. In which case you can FUCK OFF.

You realize those people can vote right? And it seems to be a growing group of people. Your fuck off plan isn't very realistic in a country that votes.

to be fair, I don't believe anyone who has been on government assistance for 2 out of 4 years prior to an election ought be allowed to vote.

This idea of every person gets a vote is destroying this country. You truly can not just continue letting half the country vote to make the other half give them free shit.

I am not saying it is right or fair, just reality.

No it's propaganda.

Reality is much simpler. People that want to get ahead, get ahead. They improve themselves. They work harder and they take risks. They learn skills and go to school at night. They do whatever it takes to make themselves more valuable for the people that employ them. AND IT WORKS. The greatest engine of economic prosperity in the history of the world is CAPITALISM.

While that all is true that hardly changes our current situation. Currently we have lots of people on welfare. I prefer smaller government so feel that is bad. Now you could say we will just cut them off, but given they vote some other politician will be elected next election cycle and the welfare will be back. Now if they get paid enough through their employers well then welfare will not be needed. Then government can actually start shrinking. Min wage is a much better option than welfare.

 

[Zander]

Boohoo....cry me a fucking river.

If you won the life lottery and were born in the USA , "the land of opportunity" and you still need a fucking handout- you're a FUCKING LOSER.

Welfare is for retards, orphans, and cripples. It's not a lifestyle unless you're a LOSER. In which case you can FUCK OFF.

You realize those people can vote right? And it seems to be a growing group of people. Your fuck off plan isn't very realistic in a country that votes.

to be fair, I don't believe anyone who has been on government assistance for 2 out of 4 years prior to an election ought be allowed to vote.

This idea of every person gets a vote is destroying this country. You truly can not just continue letting half the country vote to make the other half give them free shit.

I am not saying it is right or fair, just reality.

No it's propaganda.

Reality is much simpler. People that want to get ahead, get ahead. They improve themselves. They work harder and they take risks. They learn skills and go to school at night. They do whatever it takes to make themselves more valuable for the people that employ them. AND IT WORKS. The greatest engine of economic prosperity in the history of the world is CAPITALISM.

Zander I'll try again.

If every adult in America had a PhD in astrophysics, would that solve the poverty problem in the US? I mean you keep saying if Americans work hard and get educated they would become successful. So I'm saying, you don't get more successful than PhD in astrophysics, so if every adult had a PhD in astrophysics, poverty would be gone?

I mean let's assume for the sake of argument that that would also mean every adult was a hard worker, because earning a PhD is itself hard work,.

Economics is not your strong point bub. You should really stick to the flame zone.....

You have a PhD in sophistry.....

 

[dblack]

Min wage is a much better option than welfare.

I think it's worse, actually.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

You realize those people can vote right? And it seems to be a growing group of people. Your fuck off plan isn't very realistic in a country that votes.

to be fair, I don't believe anyone who has been on government assistance for 2 out of 4 years prior to an election ought be allowed to vote.

This idea of every person gets a vote is destroying this country. You truly can not just continue letting half the country vote to make the other half give them free shit.

I am not saying it is right or fair, just reality.

No it's propaganda.

Reality is much simpler. People that want to get ahead, get ahead. They improve themselves. They work harder and they take risks. They learn skills and go to school at night. They do whatever it takes to make themselves more valuable for the people that employ them. AND IT WORKS. The greatest engine of economic prosperity in the history of the world is CAPITALISM.

Zander I'll try again.

If every adult in America had a PhD in astrophysics, would that solve the poverty problem in the US? I mean you keep saying if Americans work hard and get educated they would become successful. So I'm saying, you don't get more successful than PhD in astrophysics, so if every adult had a PhD in astrophysics, poverty would be gone?

I mean let's assume for the sake of argument that that would also mean every adult was a hard worker, because earning a PhD is itself hard work,.

Economics is not your strong point bub. You should really stick to the flame zone.....

You have a PhD in sophistry.....

IOW you are scared to answer because you know without a doubt that I will destroy you once you do.

Wise choice.

Oh, I stick to the FZ because I choose to, because of idiots like you. I am BURYING you in this conversation and you have your head in your ass pretending you have claimed some sort of victory.

 

[Brain357]

Min wage is a much better option than welfare.

I think it's worse, actually.

Ok well explain then.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Min wage is a much better option than welfare.

I think it's worse, actually.

That's a tough argument to make.

 

[Zander]

Boohoo....cry me a fucking river.

If you won the life lottery and were born in the USA , "the land of opportunity" and you still need a fucking handout- you're a FUCKING LOSER.

Welfare is for retards, orphans, and cripples. It's not a lifestyle unless you're a LOSER. In which case you can FUCK OFF.

You realize those people can vote right? And it seems to be a growing group of people. Your fuck off plan isn't very realistic in a country that votes.

to be fair, I don't believe anyone who has been on government assistance for 2 out of 4 years prior to an election ought be allowed to vote.

This idea of every person gets a vote is destroying this country. You truly can not just continue letting half the country vote to make the other half give them free shit.

I am not saying it is right or fair, just reality.

No it's propaganda.

Reality is much simpler. People that want to get ahead, get ahead. They improve themselves. They work harder and they take risks. They learn skills and go to school at night. They do whatever it takes to make themselves more valuable for the people that employ them. AND IT WORKS. The greatest engine of economic prosperity in the history of the world is CAPITALISM.

While that all is true that hardly changes our current situation. Currently we have lots of people on welfare. I prefer smaller government so feel that is bad. Now you could say we will just cut them off, but given they vote some other politician will be elected next election cycle and the welfare will be back. Now if they get paid enough through their employers well then welfare will not be needed. Then government can actually start shrinking. Min wage is a much better option than welfare.

No it's not. Learning marketable skills and realizing that YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN LIFE is a much better option.Take away the safety net and people will respond. Poor is a choice. (unless you're a retard, cripple, or child). Life is hard laddybuck. Tough shit.

Welfare is supposed to be TEMPORARY. Not permanent. You lost your job? OK- here's a few weeks of sustenance level assistance until you get off your lazy ass and find a new job. What? You couldn't find a job after 3 months? TOO BAD. You will have to deal with the consequences of your choices.

 

[chao$]

Ideally, yes. But the reality is we are not going to just tell no skilled adults to fuck off. So let's deal with reality shall we? Would you rather make companies pay a reasonable wage, or pay out welfare?

Those are your options. Your pie in the sky "fuck idiots" attitude is exactly how morons like Obama get in office. I posted last year that if conservatives had any brains at all, they would have started pushing for a $10 min wage IMMEDIATELY , and cut the "$15 an hour" people off at the knees.

But nope, conservatives get dumber by the day and just insist that they aren't going to do shit, so now the min wage IS going to go to $15 an hour, as predicted.

You dumb fucks are morons.

Let's just cut your silly argument off at the knees, shall we?

Among those paid by the hour, 1.6 million earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. About 2.0 million had wages below the federal minimum. Together, these 3.6 million workers with wages at or below the federal minimum made up 4.7 percent of all hourly paid worker
​

4.7% . that's roughly 1 in 20 people.

Approximately 20.9 million American adults, or about 9.5 percent of the U.S. population age 18 and older in a given year, have a mood disorder. The median age of onset for mood disorders is 30 years. Depressive disorders often co-occur with anxiety disorders and substance abuse. Major Depressive Disorder.
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9.5% that's roughly 1 in 10.

Bottom line- No adult makes minimum wage for very long unless they are mentally challenged, on drugs, or completely worthless. In fact, hardly anyone in this country makes "minimum wage". Rendering your argument null and void. Thanks for playing.

Ok let's cut you like the bitch you are.

The US poverty level in the US is currently $11,888. The marker for welfare is 140% of the poverty threshold. Meaning of course you can (were talking a single person here) earn $11,888 * 140% or $16643 per year and still qualify for welfare.

There are 2080 hours in a work year . A little simple math tells us that anyone making $8 an hour or LESS as a single person qualifies for welfare. And that is before any allowable deductions they make to adjust your income. I believe last I read it works out to about $.70 per hour , so that if you are making $8.70 per hour or less and working full time you can still qualify for welfare.

Making your remarks about minimum wage workers completely null and void since we are not talking about JUST minimum wage workers here. We're talking about almost every adult worker who is currently earning <$10 an hour.

Boohoo....cry me a fucking river.

If you won the life lottery and were born in the USA , "the land of opportunity" and you still need a fucking handout- you're a FUCKING LOSER.

Welfare is for retards, orphans, and cripples. It's not a lifestyle unless you're a LOSER. In which case you can FUCK OFF.

You realize those people can vote right? And it seems to be a growing group of people. Your fuck off plan isn't very realistic in a country that votes.

to be fair, I don't believe anyone who has been on government assistance for 2 out of 4 years prior to an election ought be allowed to vote.

This idea of every person gets a vote is destroying this country. You truly can not just continue letting half the country vote to make the other half give them free shit.

All the corporations are on government assistance.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Let's just cut your silly argument off at the knees, shall we?

Among those paid by the hour, 1.6 million earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. About 2.0 million had wages below the federal minimum. Together, these 3.6 million workers with wages at or below the federal minimum made up 4.7 percent of all hourly paid worker
​

4.7% . that's roughly 1 in 20 people.

Approximately 20.9 million American adults, or about 9.5 percent of the U.S. population age 18 and older in a given year, have a mood disorder. The median age of onset for mood disorders is 30 years. Depressive disorders often co-occur with anxiety disorders and substance abuse. Major Depressive Disorder.
​

9.5% that's roughly 1 in 10.

Bottom line- No adult makes minimum wage for very long unless they are mentally challenged, on drugs, or completely worthless. In fact, hardly anyone in this country makes "minimum wage". Rendering your argument null and void. Thanks for playing.

Ok let's cut you like the bitch you are.

The US poverty level in the US is currently $11,888. The marker for welfare is 140% of the poverty threshold. Meaning of course you can (were talking a single person here) earn $11,888 * 140% or $16643 per year and still qualify for welfare.

There are 2080 hours in a work year . A little simple math tells us that anyone making $8 an hour or LESS as a single person qualifies for welfare. And that is before any allowable deductions they make to adjust your income. I believe last I read it works out to about $.70 per hour , so that if you are making $8.70 per hour or less and working full time you can still qualify for welfare.

Making your remarks about minimum wage workers completely null and void since we are not talking about JUST minimum wage workers here. We're talking about almost every adult worker who is currently earning <$10 an hour.

Boohoo....cry me a fucking river.

If you won the life lottery and were born in the USA , "the land of opportunity" and you still need a fucking handout- you're a FUCKING LOSER.

Welfare is for retards, orphans, and cripples. It's not a lifestyle unless you're a LOSER. In which case you can FUCK OFF.

You realize those people can vote right? And it seems to be a growing group of people. Your fuck off plan isn't very realistic in a country that votes.

to be fair, I don't believe anyone who has been on government assistance for 2 out of 4 years prior to an election ought be allowed to vote.

This idea of every person gets a vote is destroying this country. You truly can not just continue letting half the country vote to make the other half give them free shit.

All the corporations are on government assistance.

get the fuck out of here without your dumb bullshit.

 

[Brain357]

You realize those people can vote right? And it seems to be a growing group of people. Your fuck off plan isn't very realistic in a country that votes.

to be fair, I don't believe anyone who has been on government assistance for 2 out of 4 years prior to an election ought be allowed to vote.

This idea of every person gets a vote is destroying this country. You truly can not just continue letting half the country vote to make the other half give them free shit.

I am not saying it is right or fair, just reality.

No it's propaganda.

Reality is much simpler. People that want to get ahead, get ahead. They improve themselves. They work harder and they take risks. They learn skills and go to school at night. They do whatever it takes to make themselves more valuable for the people that employ them. AND IT WORKS. The greatest engine of economic prosperity in the history of the world is CAPITALISM.

While that all is true that hardly changes our current situation. Currently we have lots of people on welfare. I prefer smaller government so feel that is bad. Now you could say we will just cut them off, but given they vote some other politician will be elected next election cycle and the welfare will be back. Now if they get paid enough through their employers well then welfare will not be needed. Then government can actually start shrinking. Min wage is a much better option than welfare.

No it's not. Learning marketable skills and realizing that YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN LIFE is a much better option.Take away the safety net and people will respond. Poor is a choice. (unless you're a retard, cripple, or child). Life is hard laddybuck. Tough shit.

Welfare is supposed to be TEMPORARY. Not permanent. You lost your job? OK- here's a few weeks of sustenance level assistance until you get off your lazy ass and find a new job. What? You couldn't find a job after 3 months? TOO BAD. You will have to deal with the consequences of your choices.

I agree with those things but right now the jobs don't exist. Wages are stagnant. If there were lots of great jobs out there for the taking wages would be going up. Right now it's either welfare or min wage increase. Welfare increases government dependency and min wage doesn't. I'll take the min wage increase and get people off welfare.

 

[SAYIT]

All the corporations are on government assistance.

Loony leftist gone wild!

 

[sear]

" The greatest engine of economic prosperity in the history of the world is CAPITALISM. " Z

Yes. But the statement is a stacked deck, a tautology I believe.

The currency of "economic prosperity" is capital.

I'm not advocating socialism or anarchy. Capitalism made me a fortune, and I retired at age 43, to live on an estate hundreds of acres inside the Adirondack Park.
I'd like to think if we want to promote capitalism, we can do better than:
" The greatest engine of economic prosperity in the history of the world is CAPITALISM. " Z

 

[chao$]

Ok let's cut you like the bitch you are.

The US poverty level in the US is currently $11,888. The marker for welfare is 140% of the poverty threshold. Meaning of course you can (were talking a single person here) earn $11,888 * 140% or $16643 per year and still qualify for welfare.

There are 2080 hours in a work year . A little simple math tells us that anyone making $8 an hour or LESS as a single person qualifies for welfare. And that is before any allowable deductions they make to adjust your income. I believe last I read it works out to about $.70 per hour , so that if you are making $8.70 per hour or less and working full time you can still qualify for welfare.

Making your remarks about minimum wage workers completely null and void since we are not talking about JUST minimum wage workers here. We're talking about almost every adult worker who is currently earning <$10 an hour.

Boohoo....cry me a fucking river.

If you won the life lottery and were born in the USA , "the land of opportunity" and you still need a fucking handout- you're a FUCKING LOSER.

Welfare is for retards, orphans, and cripples. It's not a lifestyle unless you're a LOSER. In which case you can FUCK OFF.

You realize those people can vote right? And it seems to be a growing group of people. Your fuck off plan isn't very realistic in a country that votes.

to be fair, I don't believe anyone who has been on government assistance for 2 out of 4 years prior to an election ought be allowed to vote.

This idea of every person gets a vote is destroying this country. You truly can not just continue letting half the country vote to make the other half give them free shit.

All the corporations are on government assistance.

get the fuck out of here without your dumb bullshit.

Corporations receive more in subsidies and other handouts than they pay in taxes.

 

[Zander]

Boohoo....cry me a fucking river.

If you won the life lottery and were born in the USA , "the land of opportunity" and you still need a fucking handout- you're a FUCKING LOSER.

Welfare is for retards, orphans, and cripples. It's not a lifestyle unless you're a LOSER. In which case you can FUCK OFF.

You realize those people can vote right? And it seems to be a growing group of people. Your fuck off plan isn't very realistic in a country that votes.

to be fair, I don't believe anyone who has been on government assistance for 2 out of 4 years prior to an election ought be allowed to vote.

This idea of every person gets a vote is destroying this country. You truly can not just continue letting half the country vote to make the other half give them free shit.

All the corporations are on government assistance.

get the fuck out of here without your dumb bullshit.

Corporations receive more in subsidies and other handouts than they pay in taxes.[/QUOTE

Link?

 

[Zander]

" The greatest engine of economic prosperity in the history of the world is CAPITALISM. " Z

Yes. But the statement is a stacked deck, a tautology I believe.

The currency of "economic prosperity" is capital.

I'm not advocating socialism or anarchy. Capitalism made me a fortune, and I retired at age 43, to live on an estate hundreds of acres inside the Adirondack Park.
I'd like to think if we want to promote capitalism, we can do better than:
" The greatest engine of economic prosperity in the history of the world is CAPITALISM. " Z

What is holding you back then? Do it.

 

[chao$]

You realize those people can vote right? And it seems to be a growing group of people. Your fuck off plan isn't very realistic in a country that votes.

to be fair, I don't believe anyone who has been on government assistance for 2 out of 4 years prior to an election ought be allowed to vote.

This idea of every person gets a vote is destroying this country. You truly can not just continue letting half the country vote to make the other half give them free shit.

All the corporations are on government assistance.

get the fuck out of here without your dumb bullshit.

Corporations receive more in subsidies and other handouts than they pay in taxes.[/QUOTE

Link?

There is more to it than subsidies and refundable tax credits but you won't understand it anyway.

Profitable corporations are supposed to pay a 35 percent federal income tax rate on their U.S. profits. But many corporations pay far less, or nothing at all, because of the many tax loopholes and special breaks they enjoy. This report documents just how successful many Fortune 500 corporations have been at using these loopholes and special breaks over the past five years.
The Sorry State of Corporate Taxes | Citizens for Tax Justice

 

[sear]

"What is holding you back then?" Z #115

Nothing.

"Do it."

I've been doing it since 1997.
And though I'm in my '60's I have a date to go swimming with a woman in her 30's.
She's beautiful, but I just met her last month. I've never seen her in a bathing suit. I'm REALLY looking forward to it, and told her I was bringing my camera.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Topher Carlton on Twitter

 

[Zander]

"What is holding you back then?" Z #115

Nothing.

"Do it."

I've been doing it since 1997.
And though I'm in my '60's I have a date to go swimming with a woman in her 30's.
She's beautiful, but I just met her last month. I've never seen her in a bathing suit. I'm REALLY looking forward to it, and told her I was bringing my camera.

Good for you! Are you donating 80% or more of you income to charity?

 

[Zander]

Topher Carlton on Twitter

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