Nikki Haley Deserves Credit For Calling For Social Security Changes!

JimofPennsylvan

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Nikki Haley deserves a lot of credit for proposing making changes to the nation's Social Security Program. America has a spending and national debt problem that in the foreseeable future that is not to say it won't happen in a generation or two maximally will cause a collapse of America's economy and an indefinite dramatic deprivation of prosperity in America. House Republicans know this and after the past mid-term elections were calling for entitlement reform but after President Biden who drew from his fifty years of experience working in the Washington swamp painted the Republicans as seeking to take away the Social Security safety net from seniors the Republican House caucus backed down revealing the lack of courage amongst a lot of Republicans holding office in Congress!

I think Nikki Haley's policy plan lacks some wisdom but its deserves praise for seeking the Social Security problem be addressed. It probably isn't the best to raise the full retirement age above 67 the current age although if I was in Congress and a good SS reform bill was up for a vote and the full retirement age was going to be raised by only one year to sixty eight I would vote in favor of the bill. The test on full retirement age should at what age does the vast majority of Americans begin to loose their health where in fairness they deserve to be able to retire, my experience indicates 67 years of age is a fair determination, if widespread people think the number is sixty-eight that is reasonable and fair.

The one area I think Social Security could improve their finances is upping the age a recipient can begin seeking benefits! Today that age is sixty-two, although upping the age doesn't decrease the total financial outlay for the SS program over the life of the average recipient because if a recipient files for early benefits he or she will receive lower monthly benefits over their life. But what it will do and this is critical is that raising the early age to claim benefits for receiving benefits will keep these older Americans in the workforce working and earning wages and so therefore paying the 12.4 % Social Security tax in effect increasing the revenue flowing into SS coffers and thus providing more money available in SS to pay benefits! Prudence calls for raising the early retirement age to sixty-five, the same age Medicare benefits begin; the challenge that poses is that many older American's lose their health before the age of sixty five and cannot do their job especially people that have a profession involving physical labor. The answer is to allow these people to qualify for early benefits at age sixty-two as long as they can establish that they have this legitimate medical need, a licensed medical doctors written medical opinion that due to their physical health they cannot do their job in their chosen profession will ordinarily suffice. This carve out is for humanitarian reasons and the Social Security program cannot afford to establish a big program to police this carve out from people gaming the system because that will undermine the purpose of raising the early retirement age to improve the SS program's finances and so to cut down this gaming of the system the carve out would only be eligible to lower and lower middle income Americans that being those whose one fortieth of the amount of their retirement savings and non-retirement savings accounts and their yearly pension if they have such doesn't exceed $75,000 per year for individuals and $150,000 for a married couple. Also, prudence calls for putting a very small thumbnail auditing system in place (audit like one in five hundred claims) to check if the medical reason claim is legitimate when the SS program challenges a claim treat it as a Social Security disability claim give the person the same appeal rights; again to deter people gaming the system claiming they cannot work for health reasons when they can!


Nikki Haley's policy idea to cut benefits in SS for the wealthy is spot on prudence but if the Republicans agree to such a big change they should get in turn a reform of the Social Secuity Disability Program. Specifically, in the area of mental disability much has been written and spoken about the illegitimacy of many such granted claims. Many mentally disabled people certified by SS as disabled can work a reasonable person would conclude granted it would be a menial job that wouldn't provide much above minimum wage if a higher amount at all not really a livable wage. Maybe for such mentally disable people have a special benefit lower than the ordinary benefit factoring in there is jobs these people could do!
 
The retirement age needs to be raised to 70, and indexed to 9 percent going forward.

68 just won't cut it.

We have a larger and larger percentage of the population being supported by a smaller and smaller percentage of the population, and that is unsustainable.

We are living much longer than our ancestors, we should be working longer.
 
1935: Social Security enacted. 5.4 percent of the population is over 65.

1965: Medicare enacted. 9 percent of the population is over 65.

Today: 17 percent of the population is over 65. 9 percent are over 70.

Way the fuck back in the 1980s, the retirement age was set to 67, except it was not to go into full effect until the 2020s! Because all those cowards in Congress expected to be dead and gone by the time the American people were affected by that change.

However, the life expectancy of Americans has grown by much more than 2 years since then.

Raise the retirement age to 70. It is just plain common sense.
 
1935: Social Security enacted. 5.4 percent of the population is over 65.

1965: Medicare enacted. 9 percent of the population is over 65.

Today: 17 percent of the population is over 65. 9 percent are over 70.

Way the fuck back in the 1980s, the retirement age was set to 67, except it was not to go into full effect until the 2020s! Because all those cowards in Congress expected to be dead and gone by the time the American people were affected by that change.

However, the life expectancy of Americans has grown by much more than 2 years since then.

Raise the retirement age to 70. It is just plain common sense.
what if you have an outdoor job that breaks your knees and back down and can just barely make it to 65,what then?.......
 
what if you have an outdoor job that breaks your knees and back down and can just barely make it to 65,what then?.......
How was that any less true in 1935?

In fact, it was even more of a factor in 1935 than today.

That's why only 5.4 percent of the population lived to be 65. You weren't expected to live long enough to collect SS.

Social Security was intended for the outliers who beat the odds.
 
How was that any less true in 1935?

In fact, it was even more of a factor in 1935 than today.

That's why only 5.4 percent of the population lived to be 65. You weren't expected to live long enough to collect SS.

Social Security was intended for the outliers who beat the odds.
thats great g but we are talking about today not then...you must be an office worker....
 
thats great g but we are talking about today not then...you must be an office worker....
The average 65 year old today is in better health than the average 65 year old in 1935.

Labor jobs are nowhere near as physically intensive as they were a hundred years ago. At least half of my friends work in the trades. My son is training to work in the construction trade. There is good money there.

A smaller and smaller percentage of the population supporting a larger and larger retiree pool is mathematically unsustainable.

Common. Fricking. Sense.
 
People shouldn't be working until 70 that's immoral. Considering the nation takes their most productive years from them via work 70 is too long.
 
thats great g but we are talking about today not then...you must be an office worker....
You know, it's funny. When someone complains the minimum wage is too low, they get no sympathy from the New Right.

"You should have made better choices!"
 
People shouldn't be working until 70 that's immoral. Considering the nation takes their most productive years from them via work 70 is too long.
It's immoral to suck off the Treasury tit for decades longer than our ancestors did.

You have an entitlement mentality.
 
The retirement age needs to be raised to 70, ...

No it doesn't.

The baby boomers are like a pigeon passing through the gullet of a snake. It's a bulge in the system that will pass. Only problem is it will take 20 years or so to pass.

Raising retirement age is a cut in benefits. There is no arguing with the math.

What is need it to improve the revenue stream.

WW
 
The average 65 year old today is in better health than the average 65 year old in 1935.

Labor jobs are nowhere near as physically intensive as they were a hundred years ago. At least half of my friends work in the trades. My son is training to work in the construction trade. There is good money there.

A smaller and smaller percentage of the population supporting a larger and larger retiree pool is mathematically unsustainable.

Common. Fricking. Sense.
Yet in 1935 a 65 year old could work harder and longer than a 50 year old today...go figure.
 
The CAP needs to be raised.
Period.

You make a million, you still contribute to SS and Medicare.

It's pretty simple, quit protecting the Rich, as in those making over 160.2K
The Current SS cap is
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No it doesn't.

The baby boomers are like a pigeon passing through the gullet of a snake. It's a bulge in the system that will pass. Only problem is it will take 20 years or so to pass.

Raising retirement age is a cut in benefits. There is no arguing with the math.

What is need it to improve the revenue stream.

WW
This is exactly why I said to index the retirement age to 9 percent of the population.

Once the Boomer egg passes through the snake, if 9 percent of the population drops to 68 or 67 or whatever, then the retirement age can be lowered.
 
The CAP needs to be raised.
Period.
The amount of money you can collect from Social Security is capped, too, you know. Now matter how much more you put into payroll tax, you don't get more money on the other end.

So raising the payroll tax cap is pure thievery.
 
It's immoral to suck off the Treasury tit for decades longer than our ancestors did.

You have an entitlement mentality.

Because we're not sucking at the tit for decade longer.

These claims are based on a false assumption. That being that Average Life Expectancy (ALE) today is decades longer than ALE from 1935, which is true. But it's a bad metric. When looking at a better metric which is average months drawing benefits, it's really only about - on average - 3 or 4 years.

Why you ask?

Because ALE includes infant and child mortality rates which when added into the average skew the results lower. As infant and mortality rates are much lower than 100 years ago, the ALE has gone up.

WW
 
This is exactly why I said to index the retirement age to 9 percent of the population.

Once the Boomer egg passes through the snake, if 9 percent of the population drops to 68 or 67 or whatever, then the retirement age can be lowered.

Once benefit cuts are achieved by raising the age, it will not be lowered.

WW
 
Because we're not sucking at the tit for decade longer.

These claims are based on a false assumption. That being that Average Life Expectancy (ALE) today is decades longer than ALE from 1935, which is true. But it's a bad metric. When looking at a better metric which is average months drawing benefits, it's really only about - on average - 3 or 4 years.

Why you ask?

Because ALE includes infant and child mortality rates which when added into the average skew the results lower. As infant and mortality rates are much lower than 100 years ago, the ALE has gone up.

WW
As I said before, 5.4 percent were over 65 in 1935. Today, it is 17 percent.

That is a clearly unsustainable trend.

Common. Fricking. Sense.
 

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