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This isn't about cakes, it's about intimidation and punishment.really? Wow!Really? They ask the state for a license to operate, to sell cakes to the public. Bakers could refuse orders. Bakers cannot discriminate in public the way you would want...
We are a nation of laws. If you follow the link below, you will be educated on what you are talking about
What is a Public Accommodation?
Federal and state laws prohibit discrimination against certain protected groups in businesses and places that are considered "public accommodations." The definition of a "public accommodation" may vary depending upon the law at issue (i.e. federal or state), and the type of discrimination involved (i.e. race discrimination or disability discrimination). Generally speaking, it may help to think of public accommodations as most (but not all) businesses or buildings that are open to (or offer services to) the general public. More specifically, the definition of a "public accommodation" can be broken down into two types of businesses / facilities:
- See more at: Discrimination in Public Accommodations - FindLaw
- Government-owned/operated facilities, services, and buildings
- Privately-owned/operated businesses, services, and buildings
The answer to my post is the first word of yours.
Really
If someone doesn't want to make you a cake.....
Life goes on just the same
Or, you're a loser who can't make do.
Again, says more about the person wanting a cake than the one not wishing to provide the cake
It's not about laws, it's about intimidation and punishment.
.
Oh, it's about laws and the consequences of breaking the law.
Really? For violating civil rights? They should be shut down and publicly floggedand here we all thought it was about the law and guaranteed protections under constitutions.This isn't about cakes, it's about intimidation and punishment.really? Wow!
If someone doesn't want to make you a cake.....
Life goes on just the same
Or, you're a loser who can't make do.
Again, says more about the person wanting a cake than the one not wishing to provide the cake
It's not about laws, it's about intimidation and punishment.
.
Poor criminals feel intimidated and demand not to be punished? Go tell it to the judge.
Justice should require the baker to pay a fine equal to the cost of the cake. No more, no less
A bakery is not a church, a baker not a pastor. And so ends that debate.I'll just leave this here, to sum up:
"In our early struggles for liberty, religious freedom could not fail to become a primary object."
-Thomas Jefferson to Baltimore Baptists, 1808
"Religion, as well as reason, confirms the soundness of those principles on which our government has been founded and its rights asserted."
-Thomas Jefferson to P. H. Wendover, 1815
Justice requires that the baker bake the stupid cake. That's what they do for a living after all.and here we all thought it was about the law and guaranteed protections under constitutions.This isn't about cakes, it's about intimidation and punishment.really? Wow!The answer to my post is the first word of yours.
Really
If someone doesn't want to make you a cake.....
Life goes on just the same
Or, you're a loser who can't make do.
Again, says more about the person wanting a cake than the one not wishing to provide the cake
It's not about laws, it's about intimidation and punishment.
.
Poor criminals feel intimidated and demand not to be punished? Go tell it to the judge.
Justice should require the baker to pay a fine equal to the cost of the cake. No more, no less
In business your rights are limited. Now you know.Hobby Lobby was decided by a 5 - 4 vote. If by chance some judge had left the court by death or whatever a few years earlier or later than he did, a Democrat instead of a Republican President could have replaced him and the Hobby Lobby decision might have easily been 4 -5. Would that magically mean the the right decision had been reached,
in either case?
Why is it you lefties don't get we are supposed to have freedom of association and the free exercise of religion, you don't give up those rights just to make an honest living.
Some people like to use religion in order to justify being bigoted assholes. Apparently the two dip-shits running the bakery were ignorant of the law. Sounds like they're too stupid to run a business.
What was it you said about assumptions?
The proof is in the pudding. I'm not the one who lost a business or had to pay a $150,000 fine.
So you agree that individuals lose their rights if they try to make an honest living, and you still call this a free country? Or should it be only as free as you want it to be?
jesus,. another dope quoting Jefferson the hypocritical slave holderI'll just leave this here, to sum up:
"In our early struggles for liberty, religious freedom could not fail to become a primary object."
-Thomas Jefferson to Baltimore Baptists, 1808
"Religion, as well as reason, confirms the soundness of those principles on which our government has been founded and its rights asserted."
-Thomas Jefferson to P. H. Wendover, 1815
Actually you do give up those rights. When you get hired you work with and for people you otherwise wouldn't have dealings with, and you do as the boss says or you lose your job. You don't get to preach at work, or require that your employer fire all the ******* either because they aren't your kind eh?Huh? Depends on where one stands and when.personal beliefs do not get religious protections.
Actually they do, that is what the free exercise clause in about. The supreme court upheld that clause in the Hobby Lobby decision.
So we have a Supreme Court that's misinterpreting the Constitution. Not the first time.
Hobby Lobby was decided by a 5 - 4 vote. If by chance some judge had left the court by death or whatever a few years earlier or later than he did, a Democrat instead of a Republican President could have replaced him and the Hobby Lobby decision might have easily been 4 -5. Would that magically mean the the right decision had been reached,
in either case?
Why is it you lefties don't get we are supposed to have freedom of association and the free exercise of religion, you don't give up those rights just to make an honest living.
They limit them. Grownups know this so guess what that makes you...Some people like to use religion in order to justify being bigoted assholes. Apparently the two dip-shits running the bakery were ignorant of the law. Sounds like they're too stupid to run a business.
What was it you said about assumptions?
The proof is in the pudding. I'm not the one who lost a business or had to pay a $150,000 fine.
So you agree that individuals lose their rights if they try to make an honest living, and you still call this a free country? Or should it be only as free as you want it to be?
It's not an honest business when they're breaking the law.
So laws can take away your constitutional rights, who knew?
Its funny, why is it that you always come back to the bible to justify why people should be forced to do something against their beliefs? Do you know what God did to the Egyptians for enslaving the Israelites? Tell me you aren't that naive and clueless.
Justice requires that the baker bake the stupid cake. That's what they do for a living after all.and here we all thought it was about the law and guaranteed protections under constitutions.This isn't about cakes, it's about intimidation and punishment.really? Wow!
If someone doesn't want to make you a cake.....
Life goes on just the same
Or, you're a loser who can't make do.
Again, says more about the person wanting a cake than the one not wishing to provide the cake
It's not about laws, it's about intimidation and punishment.
.
Poor criminals feel intimidated and demand not to be punished? Go tell it to the judge.
Justice should require the baker to pay a fine equal to the cost of the cake. No more, no less
This isn't about cakes, it's about intimidation and punishment.really? Wow!The answer to my post is the first word of yours.
Really
If someone doesn't want to make you a cake.....
Life goes on just the same
Or, you're a loser who can't make do.
Again, says more about the person wanting a cake than the one not wishing to provide the cake
It's not about laws, it's about intimidation and punishment.
.
Oh, it's about laws and the consequences of breaking the law.Really? For violating civil rights? They should be shut down and publicly floggedand here we all thought it was about the law and guaranteed protections under constitutions.This isn't about cakes, it's about intimidation and punishment.If someone doesn't want to make you a cake.....
Life goes on just the same
Or, you're a loser who can't make do.
Again, says more about the person wanting a cake than the one not wishing to provide the cake
It's not about laws, it's about intimidation and punishment.
.
Poor criminals feel intimidated and demand not to be punished? Go tell it to the judge.
Justice should require the baker to pay a fine equal to the cost of the cake. No more, no less
Over a cake?
You are a sick puppy
This isn't about cakes, it's about intimidation and punishment.really? Wow!
If someone doesn't want to make you a cake.....
Life goes on just the same
Or, you're a loser who can't make do.
Again, says more about the person wanting a cake than the one not wishing to provide the cake
It's not about laws, it's about intimidation and punishment.
.
Oh, it's about laws and the consequences of breaking the law.Really? For violating civil rights? They should be shut down and publicly floggedand here we all thought it was about the law and guaranteed protections under constitutions.This isn't about cakes, it's about intimidation and punishment.
It's not about laws, it's about intimidation and punishment.
.
Poor criminals feel intimidated and demand not to be punished? Go tell it to the judge.
Justice should require the baker to pay a fine equal to the cost of the cake. No more, no less
Over a cake?
You are a sick puppy
No, over discrimination based on sexual orientation.
Either stupid or people deciding to exercise their rights under the laws of the land.
In the court of law it isn't about the cake. It's about constitutional protections we all hope the government would protect with force if necessary
Either stupid or people deciding to exercise their rights under the laws of the land.
In the court of law it isn't about the cake. It's about constitutional protections we all hope the government would protect with force if necessary
Where in the Constitution does it say you have the right to force someone to bake you a cake? I can't find that part.
Why would anyone in his right mind request such a cake in the first place.I wonder if I go to a gay bakery and want a cake with "Gays shall die with fire aids"on it. Do you think the gay owners will bake it for me and deliver it to the Anti-gay marriage meeting I am hosting? I think not.
Why would anyone in their right mind force a baker to make a cake for a gay wedding when there is a phone book full of people who would gladly bake it for them?
Liberals are so full of intolerance yet you grasp none of it
The bakers were the ones being intolerant, and it just so happens, people don't have to tolerate intolerance. And in Oregon, its against the law to discriminate. So sad.
What's sad is someone using Carla Danger as their user name. I guess you are really into weiner aren't you? You into Barney Franks and Lyndon Johnson too? What about I hate "the N word?" You'd bake that too?
So if you owned a bakery and you were asked to make a cake that said "Death To Muslims" or "Liberals are Vermin" or "Hitler Lives" or "Jews are Dogs" you'd bake it and shut up?
Government is there to protect us. Only an oppressive governments use force to compel it's citizens to do do what government decides they should do. But you are an authoritarian leftist, not a liberal. I am a libertarian, I'm a true liberal.
I suppose I like weiner, but it's not by choice. Haha! Now your Barney "N" word rant is just you typing, each word more useless than the last.
If I advertised political cakes at my bakery, I would do any type of political cake. If I advertised wedding cakes, I would do any type of wedding cake. More important, as a business owner, I would be knowledgeable of the laws.
Why is it most conservatives don't get that Commerce Clause jurisprudence authorizes public accommodations laws that in no why 'interfere' with freedom of association and the free exercise of religion, where no one is compelled to 'give up' those rights just to make an honest living.Huh? Depends on where one stands and when.Actually they do, that is what the free exercise clause in about. The supreme court upheld that clause in the Hobby Lobby decision.
So we have a Supreme Court that's misinterpreting the Constitution. Not the first time.
Hobby Lobby was decided by a 5 - 4 vote. If by chance some judge had left the court by death or whatever a few years earlier or later than he did, a Democrat instead of a Republican President could have replaced him and the Hobby Lobby decision might have easily been 4 -5. Would that magically mean the the right decision had been reached,
in either case?
Why is it you lefties don't get we are supposed to have freedom of association and the free exercise of religion, you don't give up those rights just to make an honest living.
Is it ignorance on the part of most conservatives, willful or otherwise – or just outright contempt for the Constitution and its case law and the rule of law driven by an unwarranted fear and hatred of gay Americans.
Why would anyone in their right mind force a baker to make a cake for a gay wedding when there is a phone book full of people who would gladly bake it for them?
Liberals are so full of intolerance yet you grasp none of it
Quite the contrary. The thing is, you guys were perfectly happy to use the power of government to discriminate against gays for decades. Now you are complaining the shoe is on the other foots, begging for this last little bit of room where you can be comfortable
JoeB131 said:Government is there to protect us. Only an oppressive governments use force to compel it's citizens to do do what government decides they should do. But you are an authoritarian leftist, not a liberal. I am a libertarian, I'm a true liberal.
again, a Libertarian is a five year old who refuses to share his crayons.
That's just stupid. Protection is preventing other people from doing things like mugging you. To call forcing someone to bake a cake for you "protection" is just retarded.
Let's say you are the only black family in a given town, and all the businesses in town decide they will refuse to serve you. Is it protection to assure that businesses serve the customers that have the money to pay for services and goods? Absolutely. That's the whole purpose of public accomedation laws.
So if the baker says, "We provide wedding cakes" and you made a call and reserved a wedding cake that said, "Happy Wedding Pat and Mary", and the day of the wedding comes, and someone didn't realize that Pat and Mary were both chicks, and refuses to do the services offered, then YES, they need protection.
You are in serious need of protectionEither stupid or people deciding to exercise their rights under the laws of the land.All the baker had to do was say they couldn't handle the order. Who made being gay a divisive issue?
Both of them. The baker was being an ass by saying that, no doubt. But the couple by not walking out of the bakery, saying what a dick, and walking across the street to another baker who doesn't give a shit who they sleep with clearly were doing it for divisive politics, they wanted to force the prick to bake a cake. That's just stupid.
If the couple targeted the bakery, that is no crime. It's political. Is KAZ saying there isn't political issues in America surrounding people being gay?
No, how does oppose government using force to compel it's citizens to bake each other cakes remotely imply that?
In the court of law it isn't about the cake. It's about constitutional protections we all hope the government would protect with force if necessary
That's just stupid. Protection is preventing other people from doing things like mugging you. To call forcing someone to bake a cake for you "protection" is just retarded.
Either stupid or people deciding to exercise their rights under the laws of the land.
In the court of law it isn't about the cake. It's about constitutional protections we all hope the government would protect with force if necessary
Where in the Constitution does it say you have the right to force someone to bake you a cake? I can't find that part.
