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You can use a baseball bat as a weapon. Of course. But that doesn’t make it a weapon in and of itself.Actually...............it depends on the use and the intent of the person using it.
A baseball bat in the hands of a baseball player on a field playing a game is considered a piece of sporting equipment. Hell, they even sell them as such in most stores.
However..........................
That same baseball bat in the hands of someone who wants to do harm to another person becomes a club and a weapon, it is no longer a piece of sporting equipment.
Depends on the use of the object in question, as it can go either way. What the QAnon shaman was holding in his hands was an object that could be used as either. As long as he held it in a position to display the flag, it was a flagpole. The second he starts to use it in a threatening manner, it becomes a spear and a weapon.
Nonsense. Some members of a group broke down some doors. That he was a part of the “group” doesn’t make him a participant in the subset who broke down the doors. No guilt by association.Nonsense. A mob breaking through the Capitol doors caused Congress to have to be evacuated.
Certainly anyone can see the direct connection between those two actions?
that doesn't show he was escorted into the building. Still waiting for that for the OP?In, around, you're arguing semantics. Your version is actually worse because he entered the building ILLEGALLY after he stood there and watched his comrades break the windows open.
CLAIM: Footage from the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol shows that Jacob Chansley, who participated in the riot sporting face paint, no shirt and a fur hat with horns, was “led through the Capitol by police the entire time he was in the building.”
AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Court documents and video footage from the attack on the Capitol make clear that Chansley, who is widely known as the “QAnon Shaman” and is one of the most recognizable Jan. 6 rioters, entered the Capitol without permission, was repeatedly asked to leave the building and was not accompanied at all times.
Posts misrepresent rioter’s actions in Jan. 6 Capitol attack
After Fox News host Tucker Carlson broadcast Jan. 6 security footage previously unseen by the public on his Monday night primetime show, social media users began sharing segments from his program that misrepresented Chansley’s involvement in the riot.apnews.com
I do. It is clear.It’s not clear at all. If he had pled to just trespass, you would have a much firmer argument. But as things stand, you don’t.
He confessed to it. He said he came to the DC Rally and Capitol to stop the electoral count, or something of the sort...??Nonsense. Some members of a group broke down some doors. That he was a part of the “group” doesn’t make him a participant in the subset who broke down the doors. No guilt by association.
There appears to be a nexus between the mob entering the bldg and the delay in the official proceeding. That doesn’t prove his guilt for a variety of reasons. Among other things, if the case ends up with him withdrawing his plea and instead going to trial, the government will have to prove his intent.
False. You don’t. And it’s not clear in the slightest.I do. It is clear.
Is that the sole element? Yes or no?Was the official proceeding obstructed or impeded? Yes or no.
No. I’m getting there. Notice that I didn’t duck your question. You should try it some time.Is that the sole element? Yes or no?
You already said that. Maybe you can try answering the question this time.False. You don’t. And it’s not clear in the slightest.
He isn’t guilty by association. He’s guilty because his actions caused the disruption.Nonsense. Some members of a group broke down some doors. That he was a part of the “group” doesn’t make him a participant in the subset who broke down the doors. No guilt by association.
There appears to be a nexus between the mob entering the bldg and the delay in the official proceeding. That doesn’t prove his guilt for a variety of reasons. Among other things, if the case ends up with him withdrawing his plea and instead going to trial, the government will have to prove his intent.
So, it isn’t the sole element. Cool. So, what do you point to?No. I’m getting there. Notice that I didn’t duck your question. You should try it some time.
You can go ahead and answer the question now.
You already made the assertions which you then merely repeated. See how that works?You already said that. Maybe you can try answering the question this time.
Says you. But your say so ain’t evidence. His actions arguably make him guilty of trespass. But none of his actions can be shown to have caused any delay in that official proceeding. And you cannot point to anything which would demonstrate his intent.He isn’t guilty by association. He’s guilty because his actions caused the disruption.
Maybe he knew he wasn’t allowed inside. Or maybe he didn’t. But again, mere presence (even without permission) constitutes only trespass.No, he didn’t break down the doors. That’s why he’s not charged with breaking down the doors. But, having seen that the doors were broken down, and knowing he was not supposed to be going into the Capitol, he can’t claim innocence.
Since he doesn’t appear to have been bound up and thrown unwillingly into the building, sure. So what?He fully intended to enter the Capitol.
Thankfully, you’re not the judge and alleged Brady violations are taken very seriously by honest judges. Getting his plea back is actually more likely than not.I see almost no possibility that he could withdraw his plea.
There’s simply no basis for it,
Also irrelevant.especially since it’s been well over a year since his plea was accepted.
Was the official proceeding obstructed or impeded? Yes or no.So, it isn’t the sole element. Cool. So, what do you point to?
It’s a yes/no question and you keep avoiding it. I think you’re avoiding answering because you know that you’re wrong. That’s why you ran away from this last time as well. You’ve been here long enough - you should know that this makes your position look extremely weak.You already made the assertions which you then merely repeated. See how that works?
Chansley was perfectly aware that Congress was in session to certify the electoral votes. He occupied the dais in the Senate Chambers.Says you. But your say so ain’t evidence. His actions arguably make him guilty of trespass. But none of his actions can be shown to have caused any delay in that official proceeding. And you cannot point to anything which would demonstrate his intent.
The rioters broke into the Capitol by smashing windows mere feet from him. He knew he wasn’t allowed in.Maybe he knew he wasn’t allowed inside. Or maybe he didn’t. But again, mere presence (even without permission) constitutes only trespass.
Because it demonstrates intent. He intended to go into the Capitol when he wasn’t allowed in.Since he doesn’t appear to have been bound up and thrown unwillingly into the building, sure. So what?
There is no Brady violations. For starters, Chansley took a plea deal. It didn’t go to trial.Thankfully, you’re not the judge and alleged Brady violations are taken very seriously by honest judges. Getting his plea back is actually more likely than not.
Let’s hear it.Of course there is.
Not at all. Retracting guilty pleas well after the indictment is prejudicial to the prosecution.Also irrelevant.
See.
Actually...............it depends on the use and the intent of the person using it.
A baseball bat in the hands of a baseball player on a field playing a game is considered a piece of sporting equipment. Hell, they even sell them as such in most stores.
However..........................
That same baseball bat in the hands of someone who wants to do harm to another person becomes a club and a weapon, it is no longer a piece of sporting equipment.
Depends on the use of the object in question, as it can go either way. What the QAnon shaman was holding in his hands was an object that could be used as either. As long as he held it in a position to display the flag, it was a flagpole. The second he starts to use it in a threatening manner, it becomes a spear and a weapon.
