No firearms in Australia

[Toro]

Australia has a far lower homicide rate than the U.S.

But they allow no firearms to most of their population, so how did this KNOWN criminal get one?

Because legal gun owners are often sloppy with their guns.

There are no legal handgun owning civilians in Australia.

Yes there are. People can own handguns in Australia. It's just difficult.

A common misconception is that firearms are illegal in Australia and that no individual may possess them. While it's true that Australia has restrictive firearms laws, rifles and shotguns (including semi-automatic), as well as handguns are all legal within a narrow set of criteria.

Gun politics in Australia - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Ravi]

Australia has a far lower homicide rate than the U.S.

But they allow no firearms to most of their population, so how did this KNOWN criminal get one?

Because legal gun owners are often sloppy with their guns.

There are no legal handgun owning civilians in Australia.

So where did this guy get his gun?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Australia has a far lower homicide rate than the U.S.

But they allow no firearms to most of their population, so how did this KNOWN criminal get one?

Because legal gun owners are often sloppy with their guns.

There are no legal handgun owning civilians in Australia.

So where did this guy get his gun?

You would have to ask him. My point is you retards claim strict laws prevent criminals from getting firearms and this is another proof you are wrong.

 

[Ravi]

Australia has a far lower homicide rate than the U.S.

But they allow no firearms to most of their population, so how did this KNOWN criminal get one?

Because legal gun owners are often sloppy with their guns.

There are no legal handgun owning civilians in Australia.

So where did this guy get his gun?

You would have to ask him. My point is you retards claim strict laws prevent criminals from getting firearms and this is another proof you are wrong.

It makes sense that laws that prevent assholes from getting guns prevent assholes from getting guns. Nothing prevents legal gun owners from being assholes. Australia has a lot less of these assholes, no?

 

[TheOldSchool]

Yes. That is why they have such a lower homicide rate.

There also over 90% white, amazing what a difference that makes to the homicide rate.

Before gun control their homicide rate was very close to the U.S.

Provide a link proving this claim.all I have found is that their murder rate has been flat long before the buy back and remains almost the same after.

354 homicides in 1995; population 18.3 million

430 homicides in 2012; population 30 million

Oz has 23 million people.....just sayin.....

Well fuck

 

[2aguy]

There's literally no crimes involving long guns in Australia.

Except for this one...and the one at that university....

You guys are getting by on luck...this guy could have just started shooting people....he didn't....the next guy....the guy who wants fame.....and no one will be able to stop him till the police arrive minutes later....

I hope your luck holds....that is the only thing preventing these attacks....

 

[Ravi]

Australia has a far lower homicide rate than the U.S.

But they allow no firearms to most of their population, so how did this KNOWN criminal get one?

Probably through a long, dangerous process of procuring one in the black market.

BUT BUT, according to Noomi and the rest of you bed wetters if laws are so strict that law abiding citizens can not get firearms the same will be true of criminals right?

Yes. That is why they have such a lower homicide rate.

There also over 90% white, amazing what a difference that makes to the homicide rate.

Does RGS agree with this?

 

[2aguy]

Before gun control their homicide rate was very close to the U.S.

^^^
A lie

Ha! You were right! Australia's homicide rate was much lower than the U.S. then as well. However in 1996 there was 1 gun for every 27 people in Australia. In America there is 1 gun for EVERY person. There are also a lot more murders. Interesting correlation no?

And the homicide rate in Australia HAS gone down significantly since the gun ban. Over 30%.

In the United States there are 8-9,000 gun murders each year, out of a population of 310 million people with 310 million guns in circulation...of those gun murders, 80% are committed by gang members in inner cities...

The other side of the equation...how often are guns used to save lives and stop violent crime in the United states....1.6 million times a year....

Which number is bigger and more important?

Also...our gun murder rate has gone down as well with no gun turn in....I believe more than yours....

 

[2aguy]

Australia has a far lower homicide rate than the U.S.

But they allow no firearms to most of their population, so how did this KNOWN criminal get one?

Because legal gun owners are often sloppy with their guns.

There are no legal handgun owning civilians in Australia.

So where did this guy get his gun?

You would have to ask him. My point is you retards claim strict laws prevent criminals from getting firearms and this is another proof you are wrong.

Considering this guy was a convict on parole no less......for violent crimes...and he still got his hands on a gun...and they are just lucky that he didn't go in and just start shooting...

As I have said in a number of posts....the only reason Australia hasn't had mass shootings.....is that no one has decided to do them......if they do...their people will be helpless victims until the police arrive minutes later....just like in this situation...

 

[Harry Dresden]

There also over 90% white, amazing what a difference that makes to the homicide rate.

Before gun control their homicide rate was very close to the U.S.

Provide a link proving this claim.all I have found is that their murder rate has been flat long before the buy back and remains almost the same after.

354 homicides in 1995; population 18.3 million

430 homicides in 2012; population 30 million

Oz has 23 million people.....just sayin.....

Well fuck

yea i hear ya....

 

[M14 Shooter]

Before gun control their homicide rate was very close to the U.S.

^^^
A lie

Ha! You were right! Australia's homicide rate was much lower than the U.S. then as well

See? You lied. Just like I said.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Guns taken by govt. of Australia in 1996: 660,959; population in 1996: 18.3 million
Guns in America ~300,000,000+; population: 316,000,000

% guns in the US NOT involved in a murder: 99.99714% (8588 murders, 300,000,000 guns)
% gun in Australia NOT involved in a murder: 99.99384% (188 murders, 3,050,000 guns)
Guns in Australia Firearms gun law and gun control

That is, if Australia had the same number of guns, they'd have more than twice the number of gun-related murders as the US.

Given this, how does the US have a problem with guns and Australia does not?

 

[M14 Shooter]

No, that's generally not right.
I don't ever see anyone argue that criminals will never get guns. Perhaps you can link someone who does.
The argument is that restricting access guns will limit the availability of deadly weapons and fewer people in total will die.

Hmm. Lets see...

CA gun laws require that:
-All transfers must be through a dealer, thus...
-All transfers undergo a background check
-All transfers undergo a 10-day waiting period (ruled unconstitutional 8/2014)
-All firearms must be registered
-Handgun purchases require a handgun safety certificate-– a permit.that requires training and a test
-Ban on ‘assault weapons’, effective 1 JUN 1989
-Ban on magazines that hold more than 10 rounds
-Ban on NFA machineguns

% of murders in US committed with a firearm: 69.36 (8855/12765)
% of murders in CA committed with a firearm: 69.39 (1304/1879)

% US population in CA: 12.12%
% US murders in CA: 14.71
% US murders with a gun in CA 14.72

Links:
The benefit of reasonable gun control..... US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

How does this support your premise?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Australia has a far lower homicide rate than the U.S.

But they allow no firearms to most of their population, so how did this KNOWN criminal get one?

Probably through a long, dangerous process of procuring one in the black market.

BUT BUT, according to Noomi and the rest of you bed wetters if laws are so strict that law abiding citizens can not get firearms the same will be true of criminals right?

No, that's generally not right.
I don't ever see anyone argue that criminals will never get guns. Perhaps you can link someone who does.
The argument is that restricting access guns will limit the availability of deadly weapons and fewer people in total will die.

Hmm. Lets see...

CA gun laws require that:
-All transfers must be through a dealer, thus...
-All transfers undergo a background check
-All transfers undergo a 10-day waiting period (ruled unconstitutional 8/2014)
-All firearms must be registered
-Handgun purchases require a handgun safety certificate-– a permit.that requires training and a test
-Ban on ‘assault weapons’, effective 1 JUN 1989
-Ban on magazines that hold more than 10 rounds
-Ban on NFA machineguns

% of murders in US committed with a firearm: 69.36 (8855/12765)
% of murders in CA committed with a firearm: 69.39 (1304/1879)

% US population in CA: 12.12%
% US murders in CA: 14.71
% US murders with a gun in CA 14.72

Links:
The benefit of reasonable gun control..... US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

How does this support your premise?

on a pbs radio show out here they had a bunch of people who are in law enforcement on....they said if you take gang violence out of the equation here in Ca,the numbers would then say that Ca is one of the safest States.....and they quoted numbers backing that up.....so they then reasoned that if you did the same across the Country....the US would be one of the safest Countries on the planet....

 

[M14 Shooter]

Australia has a far lower homicide rate than the U.S.

But they allow no firearms to most of their population, so how did this KNOWN criminal get one?

Because legal gun owners are often sloppy with their guns.

"Often?"
You and I both know you have no way to substantively support your claim.

 

[M14 Shooter]

But they allow no firearms to most of their population, so how did this KNOWN criminal get one?

Probably through a long, dangerous process of procuring one in the black market.

BUT BUT, according to Noomi and the rest of you bed wetters if laws are so strict that law abiding citizens can not get firearms the same will be true of criminals right?

No, that's generally not right.
I don't ever see anyone argue that criminals will never get guns. Perhaps you can link someone who does.
The argument is that restricting access guns will limit the availability of deadly weapons and fewer people in total will die.

Hmm. Lets see...

CA gun laws require that:
-All transfers must be through a dealer, thus...
-All transfers undergo a background check
-All transfers undergo a 10-day waiting period (ruled unconstitutional 8/2014)
-All firearms must be registered
-Handgun purchases require a handgun safety certificate-– a permit.that requires training and a test
-Ban on ‘assault weapons’, effective 1 JUN 1989
-Ban on magazines that hold more than 10 rounds
-Ban on NFA machineguns

% of murders in US committed with a firearm: 69.36 (8855/12765)
% of murders in CA committed with a firearm: 69.39 (1304/1879)

% US population in CA: 12.12%
% US murders in CA: 14.71
% US murders with a gun in CA 14.72

Links:
The benefit of reasonable gun control..... US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

How does this support your premise?

on a pbs radio show out here they had a bunch of people who are in law enforcement on....they said if you take gang violence out of the equation here in Ca,the numbers would then say that Ca is one of the safest States.....and they quoted numbers backing that up.....so they then reasoned that if you did the same across the Country....the US would be one of the safest Countries on the planet....

I have no doubt.

 

[2aguy]

See...dealing with the actual problem....criminal drug gangs in democrat controlled cities....would require spending money not on politicians friends and winning political power...but in more police for those areas, better schools in the minority neighborhoods and more prisons to house the gang members.....of course, those are the absolute last things the democrats want to spend money on....as long as there are enough police to keep the rich, white democrats safe, they feel no need for more police....as long as rich, white democrats can send their kids to good private schools, and keep minorities uneducated and voting for democrats, there is no need to improve inner city schools.....

 

[Toro]

No, that's generally not right.
I don't ever see anyone argue that criminals will never get guns. Perhaps you can link someone who does.
The argument is that restricting access guns will limit the availability of deadly weapons and fewer people in total will die.

Hmm. Lets see...

CA gun laws require that:
-All transfers must be through a dealer, thus...
-All transfers undergo a background check
-All transfers undergo a 10-day waiting period (ruled unconstitutional 8/2014)
-All firearms must be registered
-Handgun purchases require a handgun safety certificate-– a permit.that requires training and a test
-Ban on ‘assault weapons’, effective 1 JUN 1989
-Ban on magazines that hold more than 10 rounds
-Ban on NFA machineguns

% of murders in US committed with a firearm: 69.36 (8855/12765)
% of murders in CA committed with a firearm: 69.39 (1304/1879)

% US population in CA: 12.12%
% US murders in CA: 14.71
% US murders with a gun in CA 14.72

Links:
The benefit of reasonable gun control..... US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

How does this support your premise?

I don't know if it would support my premise between cities or states.

 

[Toro]

on a pbs radio show out here they had a bunch of people who are in law enforcement on....they said if you take gang violence out of the equation here in Ca,the numbers would then say that Ca is one of the safest States.....and they quoted numbers backing that up.....so they then reasoned that if you did the same across the Country....the US would be one of the safest Countries on the planet....

So how would that stack up if one doesn't include gang activity in all countries?

The murder rate amongst whites is still higher than every other rich country - all races included - on earth.

 

[ClosedCaption]

What how can this be? An armed person taking Hostages, a criminal at that. I thought Australia had strict firearms laws?

Gunman and Two Others Dead in Sydney Hostage Crisis - Yahoo

Where is Noomi to assure us all this is a hoax?

I think the OP heard voices that tell him that gun laws means no one can get a gun ever.

Either that or hes just creating a thread for click bait