No frivolous gun control laws would have stopped this...

how many crimes are committed by CC holders? do you know? do you care? Do you think the gang bangers all have CC permits? WTF is wrong with you?
Don't like the facts? Crime is down in strong gun control NYC, while up nationally.


Duh, that's not true. Chicago and DC have the strictest gun laws in the nation and the highest gun crime rates. NYC has a good police dept but the current mayor is trying to tie their hands and get the crime stats back up to match the other dem led cities.
Chicago and DC both have concealed carry, NYC does not.


so what? its virtually impossible to get a CC permit in those cities. But the thugs all have guns. They always will. In your no gun utopia only the government and criminals would have guns--------------------can you say third reich? Do you even understand what you are advocating for? do you want to live under the thumb of jack booted G-men and criminals?
Funny how the UK, Germany, Denmark, Italy, Japan, France, Canada.... All have stricter gun laws, much lower homicide rates, and no dictators. Your argument is childish....


those countries also have cultural standards that require kids to know right from wrong and to behave in public places. they have family values that require parents to be responsible for their kids.

we don't have a gun problem here, we have a cultural problem-------------------and it is the direct result of decades of liberalism and PC bullshit.
 
Doesn't matter, gun control advocates will still push for gun control which we all know is banning guns and getting rid of the 2nd amendment. They long for total gun bans like other countries have adopted.
When was the last school shooting in Germany, France, UK, Japan, Denmark.... yeah seems like gun laws can really restrict this kind of thing...

More people were murdered in London than in NY city, yet guns are banned in the UK. :itsok:
NY city has very strict gun laws. They don't even have concealed carry. Crime has been going down there. Meanwhile violent crime is up in the rest of the country, where we have more and more concealed carry....


how many crimes are committed by CC holders? do you know? do you care? Do you think the gang bangers all have CC permits? WTF is wrong with you?

Report: Concealed Carry Permit Holders Are The Most Law-Abiding People In The Country
VPC: Concealed Carry Killers
 
And, now we have common sense gun laws. How many more common sense gun laws do we need before they go beyond common sense and accomplish nothing?

Perhaps hunting has fallen out of favor where you live, but it certainly has not where I live, the panhandle of Florida.

As you know, personal protection has worked and worked well. More guns have equaled fewer murders and violent crimes. Why is that a problem for you? Why do you demand more murders and violent crimes?
With more concealed carry than every before, violent crime is up....
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year
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Which has nothing to do with CCW's and everything to do with the Ferguson Effect. CCW's have been increasing the last couple of decades with violent and gun crime on the decrease.
It was increasing from a really small number, didn't gain much steam till recently, and violent crime is up. Now after we got background checks crime decreased.

And we've had background checks for how many years now????

It didn't start increasing until after the Ferguson Effect. The Ferguson Effect stopped police officers from being proactive in crime. They only went out when called upon.

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Ferguson is fueled by our gun problem. This is the only country where law enforcement regularly shoots people.
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015

One has noting to do with the other. We've always had police defending themselves with deadly force. However the only difference in crime and gun statistics was after Ferguson. We've always had police shootings, have had CCW's for decades (and increasing) so your argument is moot.
 
Don't like the facts? Crime is down in strong gun control NYC, while up nationally.


Duh, that's not true. Chicago and DC have the strictest gun laws in the nation and the highest gun crime rates. NYC has a good police dept but the current mayor is trying to tie their hands and get the crime stats back up to match the other dem led cities.
Chicago and DC both have concealed carry, NYC does not.


so what? its virtually impossible to get a CC permit in those cities. But the thugs all have guns. They always will. In your no gun utopia only the government and criminals would have guns--------------------can you say third reich? Do you even understand what you are advocating for? do you want to live under the thumb of jack booted G-men and criminals?
Funny how the UK, Germany, Denmark, Italy, Japan, France, Canada.... All have stricter gun laws, much lower homicide rates, and no dictators. Your argument is childish....


those countries also have cultural standards that require kids to know right from wrong and to behave in public places. they have family values that require parents to be responsible for their kids.

we don't have a gun problem here, we have a cultural problem-------------------and it is the direct result of decades of liberalism and PC bullshit.
That is what you are resorting to now? Anything but guns right? Easy access to guns leads to more death. Should be obvious.
 
With more concealed carry than every before, violent crime is up....
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year
h

Which has nothing to do with CCW's and everything to do with the Ferguson Effect. CCW's have been increasing the last couple of decades with violent and gun crime on the decrease.
It was increasing from a really small number, didn't gain much steam till recently, and violent crime is up. Now after we got background checks crime decreased.

And we've had background checks for how many years now????

It didn't start increasing until after the Ferguson Effect. The Ferguson Effect stopped police officers from being proactive in crime. They only went out when called upon.

View attachment 194590
Ferguson is fueled by our gun problem. This is the only country where law enforcement regularly shoots people.
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015

One has noting to do with the other. We've always had police defending themselves with deadly force. However the only difference in crime and gun statistics was after Ferguson. We've always had police shootings, have had CCW's for decades (and increasing) so your argument is moot.


it amazes me that these libs want to live in a system like Nazi Germany or Mao's china. They are so stupid that they don't even understand what they are asking for.
 
When was the last school shooting in Germany, France, UK, Japan, Denmark.... yeah seems like gun laws can really restrict this kind of thing...

More people were murdered in London than in NY city, yet guns are banned in the UK. :itsok:
NY city has very strict gun laws. They don't even have concealed carry. Crime has been going down there. Meanwhile violent crime is up in the rest of the country, where we have more and more concealed carry....


how many crimes are committed by CC holders? do you know? do you care? Do you think the gang bangers all have CC permits? WTF is wrong with you?

Report: Concealed Carry Permit Holders Are The Most Law-Abiding People In The Country
VPC: Concealed Carry Killers

Oh come on, you want me to start posting hack sites too? You never ever read my link; there was no possible way given the time you responded. Would you like me to post some highlights for you?
 
With more concealed carry than every before, violent crime is up....
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year
h

Which has nothing to do with CCW's and everything to do with the Ferguson Effect. CCW's have been increasing the last couple of decades with violent and gun crime on the decrease.
It was increasing from a really small number, didn't gain much steam till recently, and violent crime is up. Now after we got background checks crime decreased.

And we've had background checks for how many years now????

It didn't start increasing until after the Ferguson Effect. The Ferguson Effect stopped police officers from being proactive in crime. They only went out when called upon.

View attachment 194590
Ferguson is fueled by our gun problem. This is the only country where law enforcement regularly shoots people.
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015

One has noting to do with the other. We've always had police defending themselves with deadly force. However the only difference in crime and gun statistics was after Ferguson. We've always had police shootings, have had CCW's for decades (and increasing) so your argument is moot.
We had very obvious unrest due to too many police shootings. We have too many police shootings because of our weak gun laws. Our police are themselves shot weekly. Police deaths in countries with strong gun control are very rare.
 
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Which has nothing to do with CCW's and everything to do with the Ferguson Effect. CCW's have been increasing the last couple of decades with violent and gun crime on the decrease.
It was increasing from a really small number, didn't gain much steam till recently, and violent crime is up. Now after we got background checks crime decreased.

And we've had background checks for how many years now????

It didn't start increasing until after the Ferguson Effect. The Ferguson Effect stopped police officers from being proactive in crime. They only went out when called upon.

View attachment 194590
Ferguson is fueled by our gun problem. This is the only country where law enforcement regularly shoots people.
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015

One has noting to do with the other. We've always had police defending themselves with deadly force. However the only difference in crime and gun statistics was after Ferguson. We've always had police shootings, have had CCW's for decades (and increasing) so your argument is moot.


it amazes me that these libs want to live in a system like Nazi Germany or Mao's china. They are so stupid that they don't even understand what they are asking for.

Even Germay isn't like Nazi Germany. Your arguments are very childish. You scared of the boogey man too?
 
More people were murdered in London than in NY city, yet guns are banned in the UK. :itsok:
NY city has very strict gun laws. They don't even have concealed carry. Crime has been going down there. Meanwhile violent crime is up in the rest of the country, where we have more and more concealed carry....


how many crimes are committed by CC holders? do you know? do you care? Do you think the gang bangers all have CC permits? WTF is wrong with you?

Report: Concealed Carry Permit Holders Are The Most Law-Abiding People In The Country
VPC: Concealed Carry Killers

Oh come on, you want me to start posting hack sites too? You never ever read my link; there was no possible way given the time you responded. Would you like me to post some highlights for you?
Your study is quite old and as you should be able to tell I follow this subject quite well. I am well aware of it. Just as I am aware concealed carry holders are often killers.
 
Duh, that's not true. Chicago and DC have the strictest gun laws in the nation and the highest gun crime rates. NYC has a good police dept but the current mayor is trying to tie their hands and get the crime stats back up to match the other dem led cities.
Chicago and DC both have concealed carry, NYC does not.


so what? its virtually impossible to get a CC permit in those cities. But the thugs all have guns. They always will. In your no gun utopia only the government and criminals would have guns--------------------can you say third reich? Do you even understand what you are advocating for? do you want to live under the thumb of jack booted G-men and criminals?
Funny how the UK, Germany, Denmark, Italy, Japan, France, Canada.... All have stricter gun laws, much lower homicide rates, and no dictators. Your argument is childish....


those countries also have cultural standards that require kids to know right from wrong and to behave in public places. they have family values that require parents to be responsible for their kids.

we don't have a gun problem here, we have a cultural problem-------------------and it is the direct result of decades of liberalism and PC bullshit.
That is what you are resorting to now? Anything but guns right? Easy access to guns leads to more death. Should be obvious.


only if you are a criminal or mentally ill. that's the part that you refuse to comprehend. We had guns in the 1960s, when I was in high school every boy had a gun rack in his pick up with loaded guns, and there were never school shootings, none, zero, zilch.

what has changed since then is not the availability of guns, its that our culture has become diseased.
 
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Which has nothing to do with CCW's and everything to do with the Ferguson Effect. CCW's have been increasing the last couple of decades with violent and gun crime on the decrease.
It was increasing from a really small number, didn't gain much steam till recently, and violent crime is up. Now after we got background checks crime decreased.

And we've had background checks for how many years now????

It didn't start increasing until after the Ferguson Effect. The Ferguson Effect stopped police officers from being proactive in crime. They only went out when called upon.

View attachment 194590
Ferguson is fueled by our gun problem. This is the only country where law enforcement regularly shoots people.
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015

One has noting to do with the other. We've always had police defending themselves with deadly force. However the only difference in crime and gun statistics was after Ferguson. We've always had police shootings, have had CCW's for decades (and increasing) so your argument is moot.
We had very obvious unrest due to too many police shootings. We have too many police shootings because of our weak gun laws. Our police are themselves shot weekly. Police deaths in countries with strong gun control are very rare.

You are comparing laws instead of comparing people. You can't compare mostly white countries to ours where we are very diverse. Most of our violent crime is caused by minorities in this country. Take them out of the picture, and even with our guns, you will find much closer numbers.
 
It was increasing from a really small number, didn't gain much steam till recently, and violent crime is up. Now after we got background checks crime decreased.

And we've had background checks for how many years now????

It didn't start increasing until after the Ferguson Effect. The Ferguson Effect stopped police officers from being proactive in crime. They only went out when called upon.

View attachment 194590
Ferguson is fueled by our gun problem. This is the only country where law enforcement regularly shoots people.
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015

One has noting to do with the other. We've always had police defending themselves with deadly force. However the only difference in crime and gun statistics was after Ferguson. We've always had police shootings, have had CCW's for decades (and increasing) so your argument is moot.


it amazes me that these libs want to live in a system like Nazi Germany or Mao's china. They are so stupid that they don't even understand what they are asking for.

Even Germay isn't like Nazi Germany. Your arguments are very childish. You scared of the boogey man too?


they confiscated guns in Nazi Germany, strict gun laws like you want here. they also restricted speech and banned certain books. just like you want here. Wake the fuck up and understand what you are asking for.
 
It was increasing from a really small number, didn't gain much steam till recently, and violent crime is up. Now after we got background checks crime decreased.

And we've had background checks for how many years now????

It didn't start increasing until after the Ferguson Effect. The Ferguson Effect stopped police officers from being proactive in crime. They only went out when called upon.

View attachment 194590
Ferguson is fueled by our gun problem. This is the only country where law enforcement regularly shoots people.
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015

One has noting to do with the other. We've always had police defending themselves with deadly force. However the only difference in crime and gun statistics was after Ferguson. We've always had police shootings, have had CCW's for decades (and increasing) so your argument is moot.
We had very obvious unrest due to too many police shootings. We have too many police shootings because of our weak gun laws. Our police are themselves shot weekly. Police deaths in countries with strong gun control are very rare.

You are comparing laws instead of comparing people. You can't compare mostly white countries to ours where we are very diverse. Most of our violent crime is caused by minorities in this country. Take them out of the picture, and even with our guns, you will find much closer numbers.


take out minorities and our 5 most violent cities and our homicide rate is almost zero.
 
More people were murdered in London than in NY city, yet guns are banned in the UK. :itsok:
NY city has very strict gun laws. They don't even have concealed carry. Crime has been going down there. Meanwhile violent crime is up in the rest of the country, where we have more and more concealed carry....


how many crimes are committed by CC holders? do you know? do you care? Do you think the gang bangers all have CC permits? WTF is wrong with you?

Report: Concealed Carry Permit Holders Are The Most Law-Abiding People In The Country
VPC: Concealed Carry Killers

Oh come on, you want me to start posting hack sites too? You never ever read my link; there was no possible way given the time you responded. Would you like me to post some highlights for you?
Firearm fatalities climbed after concealed carry law passed in 2016
 
And we've had background checks for how many years now????

It didn't start increasing until after the Ferguson Effect. The Ferguson Effect stopped police officers from being proactive in crime. They only went out when called upon.

View attachment 194590
Ferguson is fueled by our gun problem. This is the only country where law enforcement regularly shoots people.
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015

One has noting to do with the other. We've always had police defending themselves with deadly force. However the only difference in crime and gun statistics was after Ferguson. We've always had police shootings, have had CCW's for decades (and increasing) so your argument is moot.
We had very obvious unrest due to too many police shootings. We have too many police shootings because of our weak gun laws. Our police are themselves shot weekly. Police deaths in countries with strong gun control are very rare.

You are comparing laws instead of comparing people. You can't compare mostly white countries to ours where we are very diverse. Most of our violent crime is caused by minorities in this country. Take them out of the picture, and even with our guns, you will find much closer numbers.


take out minorities and our 5 most violent cities and our homicide rate is almost zero.
Was this school shooter a minority or from a violent city?
 
And we've had background checks for how many years now????

It didn't start increasing until after the Ferguson Effect. The Ferguson Effect stopped police officers from being proactive in crime. They only went out when called upon.

View attachment 194590
Ferguson is fueled by our gun problem. This is the only country where law enforcement regularly shoots people.
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015

One has noting to do with the other. We've always had police defending themselves with deadly force. However the only difference in crime and gun statistics was after Ferguson. We've always had police shootings, have had CCW's for decades (and increasing) so your argument is moot.
We had very obvious unrest due to too many police shootings. We have too many police shootings because of our weak gun laws. Our police are themselves shot weekly. Police deaths in countries with strong gun control are very rare.

You are comparing laws instead of comparing people. You can't compare mostly white countries to ours where we are very diverse. Most of our violent crime is caused by minorities in this country. Take them out of the picture, and even with our guns, you will find much closer numbers.


take out minorities and our 5 most violent cities and our homicide rate is almost zero.


oh, brainy boy thinks the truth is funny. brilliant post clicking the smiley face. what's your next trick?
 
And we've had background checks for how many years now????

It didn't start increasing until after the Ferguson Effect. The Ferguson Effect stopped police officers from being proactive in crime. They only went out when called upon.

View attachment 194590
Ferguson is fueled by our gun problem. This is the only country where law enforcement regularly shoots people.
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015

One has noting to do with the other. We've always had police defending themselves with deadly force. However the only difference in crime and gun statistics was after Ferguson. We've always had police shootings, have had CCW's for decades (and increasing) so your argument is moot.


it amazes me that these libs want to live in a system like Nazi Germany or Mao's china. They are so stupid that they don't even understand what they are asking for.

Even Germay isn't like Nazi Germany. Your arguments are very childish. You scared of the boogey man too?


they confiscated guns in Nazi Germany, strict gun laws like you want here. they also restricted speech and banned certain books. just like you want here. Wake the fuck up and understand what you are asking for.
Again, there is a long list of countries with strong gun control and low homicide rates. They are all quite free and have some of the happiest people in the world. Stop the silly boogey man argument.
 
Ferguson is fueled by our gun problem. This is the only country where law enforcement regularly shoots people.
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015

One has noting to do with the other. We've always had police defending themselves with deadly force. However the only difference in crime and gun statistics was after Ferguson. We've always had police shootings, have had CCW's for decades (and increasing) so your argument is moot.
We had very obvious unrest due to too many police shootings. We have too many police shootings because of our weak gun laws. Our police are themselves shot weekly. Police deaths in countries with strong gun control are very rare.

You are comparing laws instead of comparing people. You can't compare mostly white countries to ours where we are very diverse. Most of our violent crime is caused by minorities in this country. Take them out of the picture, and even with our guns, you will find much closer numbers.


take out minorities and our 5 most violent cities and our homicide rate is almost zero.


oh, brainy boy thinks the truth is funny. brilliant post clicking the smiley face. what's your next trick?
Brilliant is stating that removing crime from the statistics brings it almost to zero. Yeah, you are a genius.
 
Ferguson is fueled by our gun problem. This is the only country where law enforcement regularly shoots people.
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015

One has noting to do with the other. We've always had police defending themselves with deadly force. However the only difference in crime and gun statistics was after Ferguson. We've always had police shootings, have had CCW's for decades (and increasing) so your argument is moot.
We had very obvious unrest due to too many police shootings. We have too many police shootings because of our weak gun laws. Our police are themselves shot weekly. Police deaths in countries with strong gun control are very rare.

You are comparing laws instead of comparing people. You can't compare mostly white countries to ours where we are very diverse. Most of our violent crime is caused by minorities in this country. Take them out of the picture, and even with our guns, you will find much closer numbers.


take out minorities and our 5 most violent cities and our homicide rate is almost zero.
Was this school shooter a minority or from a violent city?


no, but we are talking about national statistics. Sounds like this kid was a nutcase. Dimitri--------maybe he was a minority. Russian, Serb, ?
 
One has noting to do with the other. We've always had police defending themselves with deadly force. However the only difference in crime and gun statistics was after Ferguson. We've always had police shootings, have had CCW's for decades (and increasing) so your argument is moot.
We had very obvious unrest due to too many police shootings. We have too many police shootings because of our weak gun laws. Our police are themselves shot weekly. Police deaths in countries with strong gun control are very rare.

You are comparing laws instead of comparing people. You can't compare mostly white countries to ours where we are very diverse. Most of our violent crime is caused by minorities in this country. Take them out of the picture, and even with our guns, you will find much closer numbers.


take out minorities and our 5 most violent cities and our homicide rate is almost zero.


oh, brainy boy thinks the truth is funny. brilliant post clicking the smiley face. what's your next trick?
Brilliant is stating that removing crime from the statistics brings it almost to zero. Yeah, you are a genius.


I said that removing minority crime and big city crime from the stats would take them to almost zero. That is true.
 

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