No frivolous gun control laws would have stopped this...

[Redfish]

Ferguson is fueled by our gun problem. This is the only country where law enforcement regularly shoots people.
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015

One has noting to do with the other. We've always had police defending themselves with deadly force. However the only difference in crime and gun statistics was after Ferguson. We've always had police shootings, have had CCW's for decades (and increasing) so your argument is moot.

it amazes me that these libs want to live in a system like Nazi Germany or Mao's china. They are so stupid that they don't even understand what they are asking for.

Even Germay isn't like Nazi Germany. Your arguments are very childish. You scared of the boogey man too?

they confiscated guns in Nazi Germany, strict gun laws like you want here. they also restricted speech and banned certain books. just like you want here. Wake the fuck up and understand what you are asking for.

Again, there is a long list of countries with strong gun control and low homicide rates. They are all quite free and have some of the happiest people in the world. Stop the silly boogey man argument.

call a shipping company and move. Russia has the kinds of laws you want, move to Moscow. or maybe Caracas Venezuela, they have socialism and gun ownership bans.

 

[Brain357]

One has noting to do with the other. We've always had police defending themselves with deadly force. However the only difference in crime and gun statistics was after Ferguson. We've always had police shootings, have had CCW's for decades (and increasing) so your argument is moot.

We had very obvious unrest due to too many police shootings. We have too many police shootings because of our weak gun laws. Our police are themselves shot weekly. Police deaths in countries with strong gun control are very rare.

You are comparing laws instead of comparing people. You can't compare mostly white countries to ours where we are very diverse. Most of our violent crime is caused by minorities in this country. Take them out of the picture, and even with our guns, you will find much closer numbers.

take out minorities and our 5 most violent cities and our homicide rate is almost zero.

Was this school shooter a minority or from a violent city?

no, but we are talking about national statistics. Sounds like this kid was a nutcase. Dimitri--------maybe he was a minority. Russian, Serb, ?

Was the florida school shooter a minority? How about our worst mass shooter ever from the Vegas shooting?

 

[Brain357]

We had very obvious unrest due to too many police shootings. We have too many police shootings because of our weak gun laws. Our police are themselves shot weekly. Police deaths in countries with strong gun control are very rare.

You are comparing laws instead of comparing people. You can't compare mostly white countries to ours where we are very diverse. Most of our violent crime is caused by minorities in this country. Take them out of the picture, and even with our guns, you will find much closer numbers.

take out minorities and our 5 most violent cities and our homicide rate is almost zero.

oh, brainy boy thinks the truth is funny. brilliant post clicking the smiley face. what's your next trick?

Brilliant is stating that removing crime from the statistics brings it almost to zero. Yeah, you are a genius.

I said that removing minority crime and big city crime from the stats would take them to almost zero. That is true.

So you live in fantasy land then? It would drop dramatically for any country doing that. What is your point?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

NY city has very strict gun laws. They don't even have concealed carry. Crime has been going down there. Meanwhile violent crime is up in the rest of the country, where we have more and more concealed carry....

how many crimes are committed by CC holders? do you know? do you care? Do you think the gang bangers all have CC permits? WTF is wrong with you?

Report: Concealed Carry Permit Holders Are The Most Law-Abiding People In The Country

VPC: Concealed Carry Killers

Oh come on, you want me to start posting hack sites too? You never ever read my link; there was no possible way given the time you responded. Would you like me to post some highlights for you?

Your study is quite old and as you should be able to tell I follow this subject quite well. I am well aware of it. Just as I am aware concealed carry holders are often killers.

You didn't even read the Fn thing. If you did, you'd know that the study was from 2015; less than three years old. But since you didn't read it, allow me to point out a main factor:

"Combining the data for Florida and Texas data, we find that permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors and felonies at less than a sixth the rate for police officers," Lott writes. "Among police, firearms violations occur at a rate of 16.5 per 100,000 officers. Among permit holders in Florida and Texas, the rate is only 2.4 per 100,000.10 That is just 1/7th of the rate for police officers. But there's no need to focus on Texas and Florida — the data are similar in other states."

The report found that while concealed carry-permits have surged since 1999, the murder rates have declined:

Now try to refute that.

 

[Brain357]

One has noting to do with the other. We've always had police defending themselves with deadly force. However the only difference in crime and gun statistics was after Ferguson. We've always had police shootings, have had CCW's for decades (and increasing) so your argument is moot.

it amazes me that these libs want to live in a system like Nazi Germany or Mao's china. They are so stupid that they don't even understand what they are asking for.

Even Germay isn't like Nazi Germany. Your arguments are very childish. You scared of the boogey man too?

they confiscated guns in Nazi Germany, strict gun laws like you want here. they also restricted speech and banned certain books. just like you want here. Wake the fuck up and understand what you are asking for.

Again, there is a long list of countries with strong gun control and low homicide rates. They are all quite free and have some of the happiest people in the world. Stop the silly boogey man argument.

call a shipping company and move. Russia has the kinds of laws you want, move to Moscow. or maybe Caracas Venezuela, they have socialism and gun ownership bans.

No thanks. I see you continue to be desperate in your arguments.

 

[RealDave]

A law requiring gun owners to store and secure weapons in a standardized method or face civil and even criminal charges for failure to do so may have had an impact in this latest school shooting incident and would have had absolutely nothing to do with gun ownership rights.

Lol
You do realize more people are killed by bathtubs?

For most people, baths have a use. Evidently not for you.

 

[Brain357]

how many crimes are committed by CC holders? do you know? do you care? Do you think the gang bangers all have CC permits? WTF is wrong with you?

Report: Concealed Carry Permit Holders Are The Most Law-Abiding People In The Country

VPC: Concealed Carry Killers

Oh come on, you want me to start posting hack sites too? You never ever read my link; there was no possible way given the time you responded. Would you like me to post some highlights for you?

Your study is quite old and as you should be able to tell I follow this subject quite well. I am well aware of it. Just as I am aware concealed carry holders are often killers.

You didn't even read the Fn thing. If you did, you'd know that the study was from 2015; less than three years old. But since you didn't read it, allow me to point out a main factor:

"Combining the data for Florida and Texas data, we find that permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors and felonies at less than a sixth the rate for police officers," Lott writes. "Among police, firearms violations occur at a rate of 16.5 per 100,000 officers. Among permit holders in Florida and Texas, the rate is only 2.4 per 100,000.10 That is just 1/7th of the rate for police officers. But there's no need to focus on Texas and Florida — the data are similar in other states."

The report found that while concealed carry-permits have surged since 1999, the murder rates have declined:

Now try to refute that.

3 years is quite a long time to read one study Ray. Don't be silly. Violent crime is up the last two years. And well look at my link for all the killers.

 

[RealDave]

A law requiring gun owners to store and secure weapons in a standardized method or face civil and even criminal charges for failure to do so may have had an impact in this latest school shooting incident and would have had absolutely nothing to do with gun ownership rights.

And if we also made a law against drinking alcohol and driving a motor vehicle, that would eliminate drunk drivers.

So, we should make it legal.

Great plan asshole.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We had very obvious unrest due to too many police shootings. We have too many police shootings because of our weak gun laws. Our police are themselves shot weekly. Police deaths in countries with strong gun control are very rare.

You are comparing laws instead of comparing people. You can't compare mostly white countries to ours where we are very diverse. Most of our violent crime is caused by minorities in this country. Take them out of the picture, and even with our guns, you will find much closer numbers.

take out minorities and our 5 most violent cities and our homicide rate is almost zero.

Was this school shooter a minority or from a violent city?

no, but we are talking about national statistics. Sounds like this kid was a nutcase. Dimitri--------maybe he was a minority. Russian, Serb, ?

Was the florida school shooter a minority? How about our worst mass shooter ever from the Vegas shooting?

Moving the goal posts from overall violence to mass shootings? Nice move, but it doesn't work here.

 

[Redfish]

We had very obvious unrest due to too many police shootings. We have too many police shootings because of our weak gun laws. Our police are themselves shot weekly. Police deaths in countries with strong gun control are very rare.

You are comparing laws instead of comparing people. You can't compare mostly white countries to ours where we are very diverse. Most of our violent crime is caused by minorities in this country. Take them out of the picture, and even with our guns, you will find much closer numbers.

take out minorities and our 5 most violent cities and our homicide rate is almost zero.

Was this school shooter a minority or from a violent city?

no, but we are talking about national statistics. Sounds like this kid was a nutcase. Dimitri--------maybe he was a minority. Russian, Serb, ?

Was the florida school shooter a minority? How about our worst mass shooter ever from the Vegas shooting?

Ok,. if you want to talk about individual crimes, lets do that. How about the boston marathon bombers? the Orlando gay night club shooter. We still don't know much about the Vegas guy, why is it taking so long for the authorities to find out who he was and why he did it? are they hiding something?

But you brought up nation by nation crime stats, that includes all violent acts, and in the USA most of those violent crimes are committed either by minorities or in big cities or both. mostly both.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

A law requiring gun owners to store and secure weapons in a standardized method or face civil and even criminal charges for failure to do so may have had an impact in this latest school shooting incident and would have had absolutely nothing to do with gun ownership rights.

And if we also made a law against drinking alcohol and driving a motor vehicle, that would eliminate drunk drivers.

So, we should make it legal.

Great plan asshole.

No you dumb F, the point is that laws don't guarantee results.

 

[Brain357]

You are comparing laws instead of comparing people. You can't compare mostly white countries to ours where we are very diverse. Most of our violent crime is caused by minorities in this country. Take them out of the picture, and even with our guns, you will find much closer numbers.

take out minorities and our 5 most violent cities and our homicide rate is almost zero.

Was this school shooter a minority or from a violent city?

no, but we are talking about national statistics. Sounds like this kid was a nutcase. Dimitri--------maybe he was a minority. Russian, Serb, ?

Was the florida school shooter a minority? How about our worst mass shooter ever from the Vegas shooting?

Moving the goal posts from overall violence to mass shootings? Nice move, but it doesn't work here.

He is claiming all our problems are big city and minority. I'm giving examples of horrible violent crimes that are neither. I can't point out how silly his argument is? He set the posts, I just proved him wrong.

 

[Redfish]

A law requiring gun owners to store and secure weapons in a standardized method or face civil and even criminal charges for failure to do so may have had an impact in this latest school shooting incident and would have had absolutely nothing to do with gun ownership rights.

And if we also made a law against drinking alcohol and driving a motor vehicle, that would eliminate drunk drivers.

So, we should make it legal.

Great plan asshole.

please look up the word "analogy". your ignorance is an embarrassment to you.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Report: Concealed Carry Permit Holders Are The Most Law-Abiding People In The Country

VPC: Concealed Carry Killers

Oh come on, you want me to start posting hack sites too? You never ever read my link; there was no possible way given the time you responded. Would you like me to post some highlights for you?

Your study is quite old and as you should be able to tell I follow this subject quite well. I am well aware of it. Just as I am aware concealed carry holders are often killers.

You didn't even read the Fn thing. If you did, you'd know that the study was from 2015; less than three years old. But since you didn't read it, allow me to point out a main factor:

"Combining the data for Florida and Texas data, we find that permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors and felonies at less than a sixth the rate for police officers," Lott writes. "Among police, firearms violations occur at a rate of 16.5 per 100,000 officers. Among permit holders in Florida and Texas, the rate is only 2.4 per 100,000.10 That is just 1/7th of the rate for police officers. But there's no need to focus on Texas and Florida — the data are similar in other states."

The report found that while concealed carry-permits have surged since 1999, the murder rates have declined:

Now try to refute that.

3 years is quite a long time to read one study Ray. Don't be silly. Violent crime is up the last two years. And well look at my link for all the killers.

Your stupid post includes suicides. That's where most of gun deaths come from. What a hack site.

 

[Brain357]

You are comparing laws instead of comparing people. You can't compare mostly white countries to ours where we are very diverse. Most of our violent crime is caused by minorities in this country. Take them out of the picture, and even with our guns, you will find much closer numbers.

take out minorities and our 5 most violent cities and our homicide rate is almost zero.

Was this school shooter a minority or from a violent city?

no, but we are talking about national statistics. Sounds like this kid was a nutcase. Dimitri--------maybe he was a minority. Russian, Serb, ?

Was the florida school shooter a minority? How about our worst mass shooter ever from the Vegas shooting?

Ok,. if you want to talk about individual crimes, lets do that. How about the boston marathon bombers? the Orlando gay night club shooter. We still don't know much about the Vegas guy, why is it taking so long for the authorities to find out who he was and why he did it? are they hiding something?

But you brought up nation by nation crime stats, that includes all violent acts, and in the USA most of those violent crimes are committed either by minorities or in big cities or both. mostly both.

Yes they are in gangs, just like most the violent crimes are done by gangs in every other country. You have no real point to your claim.

 

[Redfish]

take out minorities and our 5 most violent cities and our homicide rate is almost zero.

Was this school shooter a minority or from a violent city?

no, but we are talking about national statistics. Sounds like this kid was a nutcase. Dimitri--------maybe he was a minority. Russian, Serb, ?

Was the florida school shooter a minority? How about our worst mass shooter ever from the Vegas shooting?

Moving the goal posts from overall violence to mass shootings? Nice move, but it doesn't work here.

He is claiming all our problems are big city and minority. I'm giving examples of horrible violent crimes that are neither. I can't point out how silly his argument is? He set the posts, I just proved him wrong.

I said "most" not "all". do you understand the difference between those two words?

 

[Redfish]

take out minorities and our 5 most violent cities and our homicide rate is almost zero.

Was this school shooter a minority or from a violent city?

no, but we are talking about national statistics. Sounds like this kid was a nutcase. Dimitri--------maybe he was a minority. Russian, Serb, ?

Was the florida school shooter a minority? How about our worst mass shooter ever from the Vegas shooting?

Ok,. if you want to talk about individual crimes, lets do that. How about the boston marathon bombers? the Orlando gay night club shooter. We still don't know much about the Vegas guy, why is it taking so long for the authorities to find out who he was and why he did it? are they hiding something?

But you brought up nation by nation crime stats, that includes all violent acts, and in the USA most of those violent crimes are committed either by minorities or in big cities or both. mostly both.

Yes they are in gangs, just like most the violent crimes are done by gangs in every other country. You have no real point to your claim.

are you going to take guns away from gangs? if so, how?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

take out minorities and our 5 most violent cities and our homicide rate is almost zero.

Was this school shooter a minority or from a violent city?

no, but we are talking about national statistics. Sounds like this kid was a nutcase. Dimitri--------maybe he was a minority. Russian, Serb, ?

Was the florida school shooter a minority? How about our worst mass shooter ever from the Vegas shooting?

Moving the goal posts from overall violence to mass shootings? Nice move, but it doesn't work here.

He is claiming all our problems are big city and minority. I'm giving examples of horrible violent crimes that are neither. I can't point out how silly his argument is? He set the posts, I just proved him wrong.

No, you decided that since you were wrong, you were going to change the subject from overall statistics to mass murders.

In the US, most of the gun and violent crime are caused by minorities per capita. This is something you cannot deny. In the US, you are eight times more likely to be murdered by a black than a white.

 

[Brain357]

A law requiring gun owners to store and secure weapons in a standardized method or face civil and even criminal charges for failure to do so may have had an impact in this latest school shooting incident and would have had absolutely nothing to do with gun ownership rights.

And if we also made a law against drinking alcohol and driving a motor vehicle, that would eliminate drunk drivers.

So, we should make it legal.

Great plan asshole.

No you dumb F, the point is that laws don't guarantee results.

Maybe this will make clear how silly your arguments are...
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1819576527
ISLA VISTA, CA—In the days following a violent rampage in southern California in which a lone attacker killed seven individuals, including himself, and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said North Carolina resident Samuel Wipper, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what he really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past five years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

 

[Brain357]

VPC: Concealed Carry Killers

Oh come on, you want me to start posting hack sites too? You never ever read my link; there was no possible way given the time you responded. Would you like me to post some highlights for you?

Your study is quite old and as you should be able to tell I follow this subject quite well. I am well aware of it. Just as I am aware concealed carry holders are often killers.

You didn't even read the Fn thing. If you did, you'd know that the study was from 2015; less than three years old. But since you didn't read it, allow me to point out a main factor:

"Combining the data for Florida and Texas data, we find that permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors and felonies at less than a sixth the rate for police officers," Lott writes. "Among police, firearms violations occur at a rate of 16.5 per 100,000 officers. Among permit holders in Florida and Texas, the rate is only 2.4 per 100,000.10 That is just 1/7th of the rate for police officers. But there's no need to focus on Texas and Florida — the data are similar in other states."

The report found that while concealed carry-permits have surged since 1999, the murder rates have declined:

Now try to refute that.

3 years is quite a long time to read one study Ray. Don't be silly. Violent crime is up the last two years. And well look at my link for all the killers.

Your stupid post includes suicides. That's where most of gun deaths come from. What a hack site.

Includes plenty of homicides....