No One Has Ever Fallen Faster

BUT ANDY SAID WHAT WAS GOING ON BEFORE BUSH WAS EVEN PRESIDENT....ANDY AND BLOW JOB OWN THE HOUSING BUBBLE COLLAPSE!!! :ahole-1::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

:bsflag:No he didn't, lol LYING POS :bsflag:


No, the GSEs Did Not Cause the Financial Meltdown (but thats just according to the data)

1. Private markets caused the shady mortgage boom: The first thing to point out is that the both the subprime mortgage boom and the subsequent crash are very much concentrated in the private market, especially the private label securitization channel (PLS) market. The Government-Sponsored Entities (GSEs, or Fannie and Freddie) were not behind them. The fly-by-night lending boom, slicing and dicing mortgage bonds, derivatives and CDOs, and all the other shadiness of the mortgage market in the 2000s were Wall Street creations, and they drove all those risky mortgages.

Here’s some data to back that up: “More than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending institutions… Private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers that year.”


“But from 2002-2005, [GSEs] saw a fairly precipitous drop in market share, going from about 50% to just under 30% of all mortgage originations. Conversely, private label securitization [PLS] shot up from about 10% to about 40% over the same period. This is, to state the obvious, a very radical shift in mortgage originations that overlapped neatly with the origination of the most toxic home loans.”


2. The government’s affordability mission didn’t cause the crisis:



3. There is a lot of research to back this up and little against it: This is not exactly an obscure corner of the wonk world — it is one of the most studied capital markets in the world.


4. Conservatives sang a different tune before the crash: Conservative think tanks spent the 2000s saying the exact opposite of what they are saying now



Hey Mayor Bloomberg No the GSEs Did Not Cause the Financial Meltdown but thats just according to the data The Big Picture



In 2004, as regulators warned that subprime lenders were saddling borrowers with mortgages they could not afford, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development helped fuel more of that risky lending.


...In 1995, President Bill Clinton's HUD agreed to let Fannie and Freddie get affordable-housing credit for buying subprime securities that included loans to low-income borrowers. The idea was that subprime lending benefited many borrowers who did not qualify for conventional loans. HUD expected that Freddie and Fannie would impose their high lending standards on subprime lenders.


In 2000 (CLINTON), as HUD revisited its affordable-housing goals, the housing market had shifted. With escalating home prices, subprime loans were more popular. Consumer advocates warned that lenders were trapping borrowers with low "teaser" interest rates and ignoring borrowers' qualifications.

HUD restricted Freddie and Fannie, saying it would not credit them for loans they purchased that had abusively high costs or that were granted without regard to the borrower's ability to repay. Freddie and Fannie adopted policies not to buy some high-cost loans.

That year, Freddie bought $18.6 billion in subprime loans; Fannie did not disclose its number.


In 2001, HUD researchers warned of high foreclosure rates among subprime loans.

"Given the very high concentration of these loans in low-income and African American neighborhoods, the growth in subprime lending and resulting very high levels of foreclosure is a real cause for concern," an agency report said.

But by 2004, (DUBYA) when HUD next revised the goals, Freddie and Fannie's purchases of subprime-backed securities had risen tenfold. Foreclosure rates also were rising.

That year, President Bush's HUD ratcheted up the main affordable-housing goal over the next four years, from 50 percent to 56 percent. John C. Weicher, then an assistant HUD secretary, said the institutions lagged behind even the private market and "must do more."

In 2003, the two bought $81 billion in subprime securities. In 2004, they purchased $175 billion -- 44 percent of the market. In 2005, they bought $169 billion, or 33 percent. In 2006, they cut back to $90 billion, or 20 percent. Generally, Freddie purchased more than Fannie and relied more heavily on the securities to meet goals.

"The market knew we needed those loans," said Sharon McHale, a spokeswoman for Freddie Mac. The higher goals (BY DUBYA, 2004, LOL) "forced us to go into that market to serve the targeted populations that HUD wanted us to serve," she said.


How HUD Mortgage Policy Fed The Crisis


June 17, 2004


Builders to fight Bush's low-income plan


NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Home builders, realtors and others are preparing to fight a Bush administration plan that would require Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to increase financing of homes for low-income people,
a home builder group said Thursday. :oops-28::oops-28::oops-28::oops-28::oops-28::oops-28:


Home builders fight Bush's low-income housing - Jun. 17, 2004


Subprime_mortgage_originations,_1996-2008.GIF
You are becoming the copy and paste queen of the board, Dad2three. Don't you have anything original to say? Democrat congressmen and that ugly bitch, Watters, caused the housing crises. They demanded the banks to give loans to people out of work.

Yeah, sorry, how rude of me to pop the right wing bubble, lol'


It was poor people who caused the subprime bubble, NOT the Banktsers creating a world wide credit bubble and bust in DOZENS OF NATIONS, cheered on by Dubya in the USA. I forgot it was poor areas that received loans during Dubya's bubble, NOT middle class areas that Banksters flooded with money


Examining the big lie: How the facts of the economic crisis stack up
 
Sarah Palin hasn't fallen evidently that you all need to post about her. she does live in your wee heads 24/7 though. and she's thinking FREE Advertising for her.

She's not going anywhere no matter how many times you losers claim SHE HAS FALLEN
Sarah Palin will be declared the goddess of the liberals someday. They will be forced to worship her.
Sarah Palin is pure tea party. Willfully ignorant and damn proud of it.
 
Yes, Andrew Cuomo, BJ Clinton's head of HUD, has been PROVEN to be the start of the housing bubble that burst...we have video of him so stating, and these leftist assholes are trying to spin it anyway they can.... fascinating to watch them squirm!
 
Yes, Andrew Cuomo, BJ Clinton's head of HUD, has been PROVEN to be the start of the housing bubble that burst...we have video of him so stating, and these leftist assholes are trying to spin it anyway they can.... fascinating to watch them squirm!

Yes, fascinating to see Dubya's own working group say it started under him from 'LATE 2004 extending into 2007' lol


Yep, THAT looks like it was BJ Bill's problem, lol


Subprime_mortgage_originations,_1996-2008.GIF
 
Yes, Andrew Cuomo, BJ Clinton's head of HUD, has been PROVEN to be the start of the housing bubble that burst...we have video of him so stating, and these leftist assholes are trying to spin it anyway they can.... fascinating to watch them squirm!

Yes, fascinating to see Dubya's own working group say it started under him from 'LATE 2004 extending into 2007' lol


Yep, THAT looks like it was BJ Bill's problem, lol


Subprime_mortgage_originations,_1996-2008.GIF

Old Andy Boy ADMITTED IT in 1998...You can't admit that, but keep posting that same BULLSHIT, which means NOTHING as to who STARTED the housing bubble collapse!...YOUR PATHETIC, and WE HAVE THE VIDEO!!!!:321:
:ahole-1::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:
 
Yes, Andrew Cuomo, BJ Clinton's head of HUD, has been PROVEN to be the start of the housing bubble that burst...we have video of him so stating, and these leftist assholes are trying to spin it anyway they can.... fascinating to watch them squirm!

Yes, fascinating to see Dubya's own working group say it started under him from 'LATE 2004 extending into 2007' lol


Yep, THAT looks like it was BJ Bill's problem, lol


Subprime_mortgage_originations,_1996-2008.GIF

Old Andy Boy ADMITTED IT in 1998...You can't admit that, but keep posting that same BULLSHIT, which means NOTHING as to who STARTED the housing bubble collapse!...YOUR PATHETIC, and WE HAVE THE VIDEO!!!!:321:
:ahole-1::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:

You have a vid? Like Barney Franks out of context vid? lol
 
Yes, Andrew Cuomo, BJ Clinton's head of HUD, has been PROVEN to be the start of the housing bubble that burst...we have video of him so stating, and these leftist assholes are trying to spin it anyway they can.... fascinating to watch them squirm!

Yes, fascinating to see Dubya's own working group say it started under him from 'LATE 2004 extending into 2007' lol


Yep, THAT looks like it was BJ Bill's problem, lol


Subprime_mortgage_originations,_1996-2008.GIF

Old Andy Boy ADMITTED IT in 1998...You can't admit that, but keep posting that same BULLSHIT, which means NOTHING as to who STARTED the housing bubble collapse!...YOUR PATHETIC, and WE HAVE THE VIDEO!!!!:321:
:ahole-1::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:

You have a vid? Like Barney Franks out of context vid? lol

You mean you, as stupid as you are, DIDN'T watch him say exactly that! IDIOT!!!

:dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:
 
Yes, Andrew Cuomo, BJ Clinton's head of HUD, has been PROVEN to be the start of the housing bubble that burst...we have video of him so stating, and these leftist assholes are trying to spin it anyway they can.... fascinating to watch them squirm!

Yes, fascinating to see Dubya's own working group say it started under him from 'LATE 2004 extending into 2007' lol


Yep, THAT looks like it was BJ Bill's problem, lol


Subprime_mortgage_originations,_1996-2008.GIF

Old Andy Boy ADMITTED IT in 1998...You can't admit that, but keep posting that same BULLSHIT, which means NOTHING as to who STARTED the housing bubble collapse!...YOUR PATHETIC, and WE HAVE THE VIDEO!!!!:321:
:ahole-1::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:

At least be creative, go with Ed Pinto, Peter Wallison and AEI's premise that affordable housing goals around for decades caused the crisis, lol

No instead you'll stick to the FACT that GSE's (F/F ) lost market share during the period of Dubya's bubble, BUT they were to blame anyways, lol


Abstract:


U.S. policymakers often treat market competition as a panacea. However, in the case of mortgage securitization, policymakers’ faith in competition is misplaced. Competitive mortgage securitization has been tried three times in U.S. history - during the 1880s, the 1920s, and the 2000s - and every time it has failed. Most recently, competition between mortgage securitizers led to a race to the bottom on mortgage underwriting standards that ended in the late 2000s financial crisis. This article provides original evidence that when competition was less intense and securitizers had more market power, securitizers acted to monitor mortgage originators and to maintain prudent underwriting. However, securitizers’ ability to monitor originators and maintain high standards was undermined as competition shifted market power away from securitizers and toward originators. Although standards declined across the market, the largest and most powerful of the mortgage securitizers, the Government Sponsored Enterprises (“GSEs”), remained more successful than other mortgage securitizers at maintaining prudent underwriting.

Competition and Crisis in Mortgage Securitization by Michael Simkovic SSRN



lol

 
Yes, Andrew Cuomo, BJ Clinton's head of HUD, has been PROVEN to be the start of the housing bubble that burst...we have video of him so stating, and these leftist assholes are trying to spin it anyway they can.... fascinating to watch them squirm!

Yes, fascinating to see Dubya's own working group say it started under him from 'LATE 2004 extending into 2007' lol


Yep, THAT looks like it was BJ Bill's problem, lol


Subprime_mortgage_originations,_1996-2008.GIF

Old Andy Boy ADMITTED IT in 1998...You can't admit that, but keep posting that same BULLSHIT, which means NOTHING as to who STARTED the housing bubble collapse!...YOUR PATHETIC, and WE HAVE THE VIDEO!!!!:321:
:ahole-1::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:

You have a vid? Like Barney Franks out of context vid? lol

You mean you, as stupid as you are, DIDN'T watch him say exactly that! IDIOT!!!

:dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:

PLEASE, pretty please give me the vid? lol
 
Yes, Andrew Cuomo, BJ Clinton's head of HUD, has been PROVEN to be the start of the housing bubble that burst...we have video of him so stating, and these leftist assholes are trying to spin it anyway they can.... fascinating to watch them squirm!

Yes, fascinating to see Dubya's own working group say it started under him from 'LATE 2004 extending into 2007' lol


Yep, THAT looks like it was BJ Bill's problem, lol


Subprime_mortgage_originations,_1996-2008.GIF

Old Andy Boy ADMITTED IT in 1998...You can't admit that, but keep posting that same BULLSHIT, which means NOTHING as to who STARTED the housing bubble collapse!...YOUR PATHETIC, and WE HAVE THE VIDEO!!!!:321:
:ahole-1::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:

You have a vid? Like Barney Franks out of context vid? lol

You mean you, as stupid as you are, DIDN'T watch him say exactly that! IDIOT!!!

:dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:


HUD (GSE's, F/F) into commercial paper too?

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lol
 
This is why we need to get rid of Public Sector Unions.

What dimocrap filth are too stupid to understand is this -- The entire Civil Service has been infiltrated by liberal scumbags. Top to bottom, inside and out.

It's what they do. A dimocrap scumbag's fondest wish, their heart's desire is to get goobermint job. That's just the way it is.

Is that to mean that ALL Civil Servants are scumof the earht dimocraps? No, but most are.

And that's is why the EPA is the way it is, why the IRS is the way it is, why the VA is the way its and why REGULATORS are they way they are.

And that's who/what caused this shit -- Regulation. The regulators took on a life of their own, they became Judge, Jury and Executioner to Banks and loan originators. Fannie and Freddie (under Franklin Raines and Jamie Gore-Lick [both of whom should be executed for treason] who both got rich) was also a big contributor. Big time

The CRA didn't directly CAUSE the meltdown.... No one thing did.

But the CRA lit the fuse.

I know. I was knee-deep in it. I saw it coming. I tried to advise my friends and people I knew and worked with to be careful. Very careful.

Some were, most weren't.

I survived. The ones that didn't listen -- Not so much.

The CRA was the root cause of the problem.

Period.
 
This is why we need to get rid of Public Sector Unions.

What dimocrap filth are too stupid to understand is this -- The entire Civil Service has been infiltrated by liberal scumbags. Top to bottom, inside and out.

It's what they do. A dimocrap scumbag's fondest wish, their heart's desire is to get goobermint job. That's just the way it is.

Is that to mean that ALL Civil Servants are scumof the earht dimocraps? No, but most are.

And that's is why the EPA is the way it is, why the IRS is the way it is, why the VA is the way its and why REGULATORS are they way they are.

And that's who/what caused this shit -- Regulation. The regulators took on a life of their own, they became Judge, Jury and Executioner to Banks and loan originators. Fannie and Freddie (under Franklin Raines and Jamie Gore-Lick [both of whom should be executed for treason] who both got rich) was also a big contributor. Big time

The CRA didn't directly CAUSE the meltdown.... No one thing did.

But the CRA lit the fuse.

I know. I was knee-deep in it. I saw it coming. I tried to advise my friends and people I knew and worked with to be careful. Very careful.

Some were, most weren't.

I survived. The ones that didn't listen -- Not so much.

The CRA was the root cause of the problem.

Period.

As usual, right wingers NEVER let something as small as FACTS get in the way of their beliefs



Q When did the Bush Mortgage Bubble start?

A The general timeframe is it started late 2004.

From Bush’s President’s Working Group on Financial Markets October 2008

“The Presidents Working Group’s March policy statement acknowledged that turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and extending into 2007.”



Q Did the Community Reinvestment Act under Carter/Clinton caused it?


A "Since 1995 there has been essentially no change in the basic CRA rules or enforcement process that can be reasonably linked to the subprime lending activity. This fact weakens the link between the CRA and the current crisis since the crisis is rooted in poor performance of mortgage loans made between 2004 and 2007. "

http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/speech/20081203_analysis.pdf


Fannie & Freddie Mac & CRA didn’t cause the Mortgage Crisis




A study by the Joint Center for Housing Studies Harvard University on the Subprime Lending and the Community Reinvestment Act concluded that: data provided by the Home Mortgage Disclosure Act (HMDA) reveal that loans covered by the CRA accounted for only a fraction of mortgage lending to lower-income borrowers and neighborhood

Read entire article here (PDF)

Their data clearly shows that the vast majority of subprime lending was conducted by lenders outside of CRA scrutiny, and therefore under no government ‘coercion’ to lend to lower income and/or higher risk borrowers.



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Fannie Freddie Mac CRA didn 8217 t cause the Mortgage Crisis Fact and Myth


No, Marco Rubio, government did not cause the housing crisis


The Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission (FCIC) panel looked carefully at this argument and also ended up finding it doesn't work. So those who blame the GSEs can't get the numbers to work when they make up categories.

(Fun fact: These same conservatives sang a different tune before the crash. They argued that the CRA and the GSEs were getting in the way of getting risky subprime mortgages to risky subprime borrowers. See Should CRA Stand for 'Community Redundancy Act? from Cato in 2000 or AEI's Peter Wallison in 2004 arguing "study after study has shown that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are failing to do even as much as banks and S&Ls in providing financing for affordable housing, including minority and low income housing.")

No Marco Rubio government did not cause the housing crisis - The Washington Post



Fed Study Debunks Conservative Myth That Affordable Housing Policies Caused Subprime Crisis


One would think that understanding that loans made by CRA banks in CRA areas reached their height in 1994 and steadily decreased right through the bubble would convince even the most stubborn ideologue to look elsewhere.

http://www.jchs.harvard.edu/publications/governmentprograms/n08-2_park.pdf

But like the 40% loss of market share of the GSEs during the bubble, the almost equal market share loss of CRA banks means nothing. Instead, we have to listen to people talking about a bubble caused by banks that were losing business, and in the case of CRA banks, steadily losing business over a ten year period.


Given CEOs' proclivity for government bashing, any lenders being driven to write bad loans by the CRA OR ANY OTHER POLICY, would have been on CNBC screaming at the top of their lungs.

But that dog that didn't bark.
 
GOP Summit—The Good, The Bad And The Absolutely Crazy
GOP presidential contenders flocked to Iowa on Saturday to try out their pitches on the unofficial beginning of the Iowa Caucus. Hint: Sarah Palin has lost her mind.



*snip*


What did we learn?

Palin is past her sell-by date.

It’s the unofficial policy of many serious political reporters (myself included) to not cover Palin speeches. So it’s entirely possible I missed a key stretch of her decline that would help make sense of, or have prepared me for, the word-salad-with-a-cup-of-moose-stew that she presented.

Sample passage: “Things must change for our government! It isn’t too big to fail, it’s too big to succeed! It’s too big to succeed, so we can afford no retreads or nothing will change, with the same people and same policies that got us into the status quo! Another Latin word, status quo, and it stands for, ‘Man, the middle class and everyday Americans are really gettin’ taken for a ride.’”

The speech (perhaps a generous description) went on 15 minutes past the 20 minutes allotted other speakers. And even as she ended it, one sensed less a crescendo than the specter of a gong, a hook to pull her off, or—a sincere thought I had—an ambulance to take her… somewhere.
I listened to parts of that rw whinefest until I had to either turn it off or :puke:
 
This is why we need to get rid of Public Sector Unions.

What dimocrap filth are too stupid to understand is this -- The entire Civil Service has been infiltrated by liberal scumbags. Top to bottom, inside and out.

It's what they do. A dimocrap scumbag's fondest wish, their heart's desire is to get goobermint job. That's just the way it is.

Is that to mean that ALL Civil Servants are scumof the earht dimocraps? No, but most are.

And that's is why the EPA is the way it is, why the IRS is the way it is, why the VA is the way its and why REGULATORS are they way they are.

And that's who/what caused this shit -- Regulation. The regulators took on a life of their own, they became Judge, Jury and Executioner to Banks and loan originators. Fannie and Freddie (under Franklin Raines and Jamie Gore-Lick [both of whom should be executed for treason] who both got rich) was also a big contributor. Big time

The CRA didn't directly CAUSE the meltdown.... No one thing did.

But the CRA lit the fuse.

I know. I was knee-deep in it. I saw it coming. I tried to advise my friends and people I knew and worked with to be careful. Very careful.

Some were, most weren't.

I survived. The ones that didn't listen -- Not so much.

The CRA was the root cause of the problem.

Period.

"And that's who/what caused this shit -- Regulation"


Conservatives Can’t Escape Blame for the Financial Crisis



The onset of the recent financial crisis in late 2007 created an intellectual crisis for conservatives, who had been touting for decades the benefits of a hands-off approach to financial market regulation. As the crisis quickly spiraled out of control, it quickly became apparent that the massive credit bubble of the mid-2000s, followed by the inevitable bust that culminated with the financial markets freeze in the fall of 2008, occurred predominantly among those parts of the financial system that were least regulated, or where regulations existed but were largely unenforced.

Predictably, many conservatives sought to blame the bogeymen they always blamed.


Politics Most Blatant Center for American Progress



"Another form of easing facilitated the rapid rise of mortgages that didn't require borrowers to fully document their incomes. In 2006, these low- or no-doc loans comprised 81 percent of near-prime, 55 percent of jumbo, 50 percent of subprime and 36 percent of prime securitized mortgages."

Q HOLY JESUS! DID YOU JUST PROVE THAT OVER 50 % OF ALL MORTGAGES IN 2006 DIDN'T REQUIRE BORROWERS TO DOCUMENT THEIR INCOME?!?!?!?

A Yes.





Q WHO THE HELL LOANS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO PEOPLE WITHOUT CHECKING THEIR INCOMES?!?!?

A Banks.

Q WHY??!?!!!?!

A Two reasons, greed and Bush's regulators let them.

FACTS on Dubya s great recession US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
 
The DERANGEMENT of these poor soulless people that continue to post the same garbage, over and over again, thinking that they sway anyone's THINKING ability.... By now most have seen the video I posted of Andy "RUN ME FOR PRESIDENT IN 202!" Cuomo, and his admitting to HIS and the Blow Job Clinton START of all our economic problems. But, fear not, brave viewer, these pond scum shall continue their effort (lack of intellect, for sure! :badgrin:) and will continue to entertain us throughout the day.... You have to bet that THIS is more interesting than reruns of LAW & ORDER!
 
The DERANGEMENT of these poor soulless people that continue to post the same garbage, over and over again, thinking that they sway anyone's THINKING ability.... By now most have seen the video I posted of Andy "RUN ME FOR PRESIDENT IN 202!" Cuomo, and his admitting to HIS and the Blow Job Clinton START of all our economic problems. But, fear not, brave viewer, these pond scum shall continue their effort (lack of intellect, for sure! :badgrin:) and will continue to entertain us throughout the day.... You have to bet that THIS is more interesting than reruns of LAW & ORDER!

So, NO you will NOT give me the vid so I can show CONTEXT and why the right ONLY has bullshit. Got it
 
The DERANGEMENT of these poor soulless people that continue to post the same garbage, over and over again, thinking that they sway anyone's THINKING ability.... By now most have seen the video I posted of Andy "RUN ME FOR PRESIDENT IN 202!" Cuomo, and his admitting to HIS and the Blow Job Clinton START of all our economic problems. But, fear not, brave viewer, these pond scum shall continue their effort (lack of intellect, for sure! :badgrin:) and will continue to entertain us throughout the day.... You have to bet that THIS is more interesting than reruns of LAW & ORDER!

So, NO you will NOT give me the vid so I can show CONTEXT and why the right ONLY has bullshit. Got it

Of course I won't give YOU the video, I gave it to all that have bothered to read this thread...which either you haven't, or are just plain stupid... I go with both, but #2 is certainly in the lead!
 

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