No Russian Collusion? What now?

[Faun]

/——/ When did Trump tell Russia to hack Hildabeast emails? Why would Russia need Trumps permission or request? Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

July 27, 2016 was when he asked for Russia's help to defeat Hillary.

If you are uneducated on the subject please go back and educate yourself first, then feel free to return. But when you sit there asking uninformed questions that just show you have no clue on the subject at hand, it doesn't help your stance.

Thanks!

Trump asked if anyone who had already hacked the DNC emails, could then also find the Benghazi emails of Hillary that Hillary said had already been deleted. Trump never asked for anyone to hack the DNC email. And no one ever hacked Hillary's emails as far as we know.

There is nothing wrong with asking for help, and there also would have been nothing wrong with giving help.
Emails have always been ruled public and not private.
But nothing happened
No one ever revealed Hillary's emails.

As far as the DNC emails, no contract was made until August, long after the June and July hacking.
And again, not only is hacking email legal, but it is also protected by whistleblower laws, since the DNC was deliberately conducting fraud by giving Hillary debate questions ahead of time.

”There is nothing wrong with asking for help, and there also would have been nothing wrong with giving help.”

LOLOL

Of course there’s something wrong with soliciting foreign nationals to hack a political opponent — it’s against the law...

Who can and can't contribute

Foreign nationals

Campaigns may not solicit[/red] or accept contributions from foreign nationals. Federal law prohibits contributions, donations, expenditures and disbursements solicited, directed, received or made directly or indirectly by or from foreign nationals in connection with any election — federal, state or local. This prohibition includes contributions or donations made to political committees and building funds and to make electioneering communications. Furthermore, it is a violation of federal law to knowingly provide substantial assistance in the making, acceptance or receipt of contributions or donations in connection with federal and nonfederal elections to a political committee, or for the purchase or construction of an office building. This prohibition includes, but is not limited to, acting as a conduit or intermediary for foreign national contributions and donations.​

That legislation is about MONEY.
Is not about information or EMAILS.
And anything except money is perfectly legal.

But Trump was talking about wanting help in finding the missing Clinton server emails after Benghazi.
Since Hillary said they were missing, then anyone looking for or finding them would be doing everyone a favor, and it would not at all be illegal.

And you are also wrong about email in general.
Since emails always are routed through dozens of servers in order to get delivered, the counts have ruled than can never be considered private, and it is not illegal to copy them.
All the servers they are routed through likely has copies of them.

”And anything except money is perfectly legal”

Nope, you’re wrong about that too. Just about everything you’re posting is unadulterated bullshit.

It’s illegal for a campaign to solicit contributions from a foreign national. Campaign contributions are not limited to monetary donations, but extend to anything of value.

Types of contributions

Contributions are the most common source of campaign support.

A contribution is anything of value given, loaned or advanced to influence a federal election. It is important to understand which receipts are considered contributions because:​

 

[Rigby5]

There is nothing wrong with asking for help, and there also would have been nothing wrong with giving help.

No and no.

There is something wrong with asking a foreign government to illegally obtain your election opponent's emails and then release them to the public, as it encourages a criminal act to damage your opponent politically. Do you think there is anything wrong with that?

And it would have been wrong to give this help, in the form of the act of stealing that private property and releasing it to the public, as it is actually a crime to do so.

That is ignorant.
Email has always been ruled by all courts to be public property.
They travel between dozens of servers to get to you, and everyone along the way might intentionally or accidentally have copies.

And negotiating with a foreign power over election help is only illegal if you deliberately harm the interest of the US in the process.
For example, like when Reagan talked Iran in to holding the US hostages until after the election, so that Carter would lose.

Hacking email is illegal. Try not to appear so unhinged.

Jury convicts Palin e-mail intruder on two counts; mistrial declared on ID theft

You are totally and completely wrong.
Damaging or deleting email is illegal, but you do NOT own your email service.
It is a cooperative, shared operation, with dozens of other computers and administrators.
If you look a the Palin case, it was that David Kernell deliberately stole Palin's identity, and then was charged with "felony destruction of records". If he had just copied emails to be a whistleblower on crimes the emailed revealed, then they could not have charged him with anything.

 

[Lesh]

/——/ When did Trump tell Russia to hack Hildabeast emails? Why would Russia need Trumps permission or request? Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

July 27, 2016 was when he asked for Russia's help to defeat Hillary.

If you are uneducated on the subject please go back and educate yourself first, then feel free to return. But when you sit there asking uninformed questions that just show you have no clue on the subject at hand, it doesn't help your stance.

Thanks!

Trump asked if anyone who had already hacked the DNC emails, could then also find the Benghazi emails of Hillary that Hillary said had already been deleted. Trump never asked for anyone to hack the DNC email. And no one ever hacked Hillary's emails as far as we know.

There is nothing wrong with asking for help, and there also would have been nothing wrong with giving help.
Emails have always been ruled public and not private.
But nothing happened
No one ever revealed Hillary's emails.

As far as the DNC emails, no contract was made until August, long after the June and July hacking.
And again, not only is hacking email legal, but it is also protected by whistleblower laws, since the DNC was deliberately conducting fraud by giving Hillary debate questions ahead of time.

”There is nothing wrong with asking for help, and there also would have been nothing wrong with giving help.”

LOLOL

Of course there’s something wrong with soliciting foreign nationals to hack a political opponent — it’s against the law...

Who can and can't contribute

Foreign nationals

Campaigns may not solicit[/red] or accept contributions from foreign nationals. Federal law prohibits contributions, donations, expenditures and disbursements solicited, directed, received or made directly or indirectly by or from foreign nationals in connection with any election — federal, state or local. This prohibition includes contributions or donations made to political committees and building funds and to make electioneering communications. Furthermore, it is a violation of federal law to knowingly provide substantial assistance in the making, acceptance or receipt of contributions or donations in connection with federal and nonfederal elections to a political committee, or for the purchase or construction of an office building. This prohibition includes, but is not limited to, acting as a conduit or intermediary for foreign national contributions and donations.​

That legislation is about MONEY.
Is not about information or EMAILS.
And anything except money is perfectly legal.

But Trump was talking about wanting help in finding the missing Clinton server emails after Benghazi.
Since Hillary said they were missing, then anyone looking for or finding them would be doing everyone a favor, and it would not at all be illegal.

And you are also wrong about email in general.
Since emails always are routed through dozens of servers in order to get delivered, the counts have ruled than can never be considered private, and it is not illegal to copy them.
All the servers they are routed through likely has copies of them.

Are you talking about Russian Law? Because that sure as shit ain't the law here Igor

 

[Rigby5]

/——/ When did Trump tell Russia to hack Hildabeast emails? Why would Russia need Trumps permission or request? Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

July 27, 2016 was when he asked for Russia's help to defeat Hillary.

If you are uneducated on the subject please go back and educate yourself first, then feel free to return. But when you sit there asking uninformed questions that just show you have no clue on the subject at hand, it doesn't help your stance.

Thanks!

Trump asked if anyone who had already hacked the DNC emails, could then also find the Benghazi emails of Hillary that Hillary said had already been deleted. Trump never asked for anyone to hack the DNC email. And no one ever hacked Hillary's emails as far as we know.

There is nothing wrong with asking for help, and there also would have been nothing wrong with giving help.
Emails have always been ruled public and not private.
But nothing happened
No one ever revealed Hillary's emails.

As far as the DNC emails, no contract was made until August, long after the June and July hacking.
And again, not only is hacking email legal, but it is also protected by whistleblower laws, since the DNC was deliberately conducting fraud by giving Hillary debate questions ahead of time.

”There is nothing wrong with asking for help, and there also would have been nothing wrong with giving help.”

LOLOL

Of course there’s something wrong with soliciting foreign nationals to hack a political opponent — it’s against the law...

Who can and can't contribute

Foreign nationals

Campaigns may not solicit[/red] or accept contributions from foreign nationals. Federal law prohibits contributions, donations, expenditures and disbursements solicited, directed, received or made directly or indirectly by or from foreign nationals in connection with any election — federal, state or local. This prohibition includes contributions or donations made to political committees and building funds and to make electioneering communications. Furthermore, it is a violation of federal law to knowingly provide substantial assistance in the making, acceptance or receipt of contributions or donations in connection with federal and nonfederal elections to a political committee, or for the purchase or construction of an office building. This prohibition includes, but is not limited to, acting as a conduit or intermediary for foreign national contributions and donations.​

That legislation is about MONEY.
Is not about information or EMAILS.
And anything except money is perfectly legal.

But Trump was talking about wanting help in finding the missing Clinton server emails after Benghazi.
Since Hillary said they were missing, then anyone looking for or finding them would be doing everyone a favor, and it would not at all be illegal.

And you are also wrong about email in general.
Since emails always are routed through dozens of servers in order to get delivered, the counts have ruled than can never be considered private, and it is not illegal to copy them.
All the servers they are routed through likely has copies of them.

”And anything except money is perfectly legal”

Nope, you’re wrong about that too. Just about everyyou’re posting is unadulterated bullshit.

It’s illegal for a campaign to solicit contributions from a foreign national. Campaign contributions are not limited to monetary donations, but extend to anything of value.

Types of contributions

Contributions are the most common source of campaign support.

A contribution is anything of value given, loaned or advanced to influence a federal election. It is important to understand which receipts are considered contributions because:​

These is nothing in the list that is remotely like emails.
Emails cost nothing to copy, so there is nothing like a service at all involved.

 

[Faun]

There is nothing wrong with asking for help, and there also would have been nothing wrong with giving help.

No and no.

There is something wrong with asking a foreign government to illegally obtain your election opponent's emails and then release them to the public, as it encourages a criminal act to damage your opponent politically. Do you think there is anything wrong with that?

And it would have been wrong to give this help, in the form of the act of stealing that private property and releasing it to the public, as it is actually a crime to do so.

That is ignorant.
Email has always been ruled by all courts to be public property.
They travel between dozens of servers to get to you, and everyone along the way might intentionally or accidentally have copies.

And negotiating with a foreign power over election help is only illegal if you deliberately harm the interest of the US in the process.
For example, like when Reagan talked Iran in to holding the US hostages until after the election, so that Carter would lose.

Hacking email is illegal. Try not to appear so unhinged.

Jury convicts Palin e-mail intruder on two counts; mistrial declared on ID theft

You are totally and completely wrong.
Damaging or deleting email is illegal, but you do NOT own your email service.
It is a cooperative, shared operation, with dozens of other computers and administrators.
If you look a the Palin case, it was that David Kernell deliberately stole Palin's identity, and then was charged with "felony destruction of records". If he had just copied emails to be a whistleblower on crimes the emailed revealed, then they could not have charged him with anything.

LOLOLOLOL

Quick, call David Kernell and tell him he was wrongfully incarnated for ”unlawfully obtaining information from a protected computer.” Oh, and you’re wrong again. He was not convicted of stealing Palin’s identity. Had you actually bothered to read or understand the link I posted, you would have seen...

U.S. District Judge Thomas W. Phillips declared a mistrial on another charge, felony identity theft, after the jurors said they were hopelessly deadlocked.​

Basically, you’re just making up everything you’re posting at this point. And almost none of it’s true.

And I was kidding about calling up Mr. Kernell. You’d need a Ouija Board as he’s dead.

 

[Faun]

/——/ When did Trump tell Russia to hack Hildabeast emails? Why would Russia need Trumps permission or request? Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

July 27, 2016 was when he asked for Russia's help to defeat Hillary.

If you are uneducated on the subject please go back and educate yourself first, then feel free to return. But when you sit there asking uninformed questions that just show you have no clue on the subject at hand, it doesn't help your stance.

Thanks!

Trump asked if anyone who had already hacked the DNC emails, could then also find the Benghazi emails of Hillary that Hillary said had already been deleted. Trump never asked for anyone to hack the DNC email. And no one ever hacked Hillary's emails as far as we know.

There is nothing wrong with asking for help, and there also would have been nothing wrong with giving help.
Emails have always been ruled public and not private.
But nothing happened
No one ever revealed Hillary's emails.

As far as the DNC emails, no contract was made until August, long after the June and July hacking.
And again, not only is hacking email legal, but it is also protected by whistleblower laws, since the DNC was deliberately conducting fraud by giving Hillary debate questions ahead of time.

”There is nothing wrong with asking for help, and there also would have been nothing wrong with giving help.”

LOLOL

Of course there’s something wrong with soliciting foreign nationals to hack a political opponent — it’s against the law...

Who can and can't contribute

Foreign nationals

Campaigns may not solicit[/red] or accept contributions from foreign nationals. Federal law prohibits contributions, donations, expenditures and disbursements solicited, directed, received or made directly or indirectly by or from foreign nationals in connection with any election — federal, state or local. This prohibition includes contributions or donations made to political committees and building funds and to make electioneering communications. Furthermore, it is a violation of federal law to knowingly provide substantial assistance in the making, acceptance or receipt of contributions or donations in connection with federal and nonfederal elections to a political committee, or for the purchase or construction of an office building. This prohibition includes, but is not limited to, acting as a conduit or intermediary for foreign national contributions and donations.​

That legislation is about MONEY.
Is not about information or EMAILS.
And anything except money is perfectly legal.

But Trump was talking about wanting help in finding the missing Clinton server emails after Benghazi.
Since Hillary said they were missing, then anyone looking for or finding them would be doing everyone a favor, and it would not at all be illegal.

And you are also wrong about email in general.
Since emails always are routed through dozens of servers in order to get delivered, the counts have ruled than can never be considered private, and it is not illegal to copy them.
All the servers they are routed through likely has copies of them.

Are you talking about Russian Law? Because that sure as shit ain't the law here Igor

That putz is just making all this shit up. He clearly doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about.

 

[candycorn]

Now that Cohen has been revealed as a total nothing-burger, what shall we do next?

Should we pretend Cohen never happened and continue the collusion narrative, promising an impending Mueller "bombshell"? Or shall we take a different, wiser tangent? One thing is certain, Trump is GUILTY and UNFIT, and something must be done. Even a Republican like me knows that!

So in true bipartisan spirit, I've compiled some possibilities that should be considered. I've run these through the same computer used to predict global warming, so the actual probabilities are included. They're 100% accurate, you can trust me:

• Trump is an alien from the planet Flaflooga, sent to take over the Earth with his mind-ray: 87%
• Trump is literally Hitler, thawed from cryogenic suspension and here to establish the New Reich: 92%
• A Genuine Birth Certificate will be found proving that Trump is a Russian national (how ironic!): 41%
• Cancelled checks from Trump to Putin with the memo "Thanks for the boost" will surface: 78%
• Trump and Pence will both get "an offer they can't refuse" from Kim: 18%
• Pelosi and Schumer will prove that Trump is actually their 17 year old love child: 29%
• AOC will tweet a clapback so stunning that Trump will resign in shame: 65%

As you can see, there is at least a 410% chance that Trump should not be President. I'm sure there are more possibilities, but the computer overheated. This should take us well past 2020.

You're welcome, Democrats!

‘What now’ is we vote Trump out of office next year.

The voters will have no other choice based on the preponderance of the facts and evidence provided by the various investigations – the fact that Trump is unfit to be president and doesn’t deserve a second term.

Trump will be gotten rid of through the political process – not legal; and appropriately so, allowing the people to correct the mistake they made in 2016.

Sure hope so

 

[Lesh]

July 27, 2016 was when he asked for Russia's help to defeat Hillary.

If you are uneducated on the subject please go back and educate yourself first, then feel free to return. But when you sit there asking uninformed questions that just show you have no clue on the subject at hand, it doesn't help your stance.

Thanks!

Trump asked if anyone who had already hacked the DNC emails, could then also find the Benghazi emails of Hillary that Hillary said had already been deleted. Trump never asked for anyone to hack the DNC email. And no one ever hacked Hillary's emails as far as we know.

There is nothing wrong with asking for help, and there also would have been nothing wrong with giving help.
Emails have always been ruled public and not private.
But nothing happened
No one ever revealed Hillary's emails.

As far as the DNC emails, no contract was made until August, long after the June and July hacking.
And again, not only is hacking email legal, but it is also protected by whistleblower laws, since the DNC was deliberately conducting fraud by giving Hillary debate questions ahead of time.

”There is nothing wrong with asking for help, and there also would have been nothing wrong with giving help.”

LOLOL

Of course there’s something wrong with soliciting foreign nationals to hack a political opponent — it’s against the law...

Who can and can't contribute

Foreign nationals

Campaigns may not solicit[/red] or accept contributions from foreign nationals. Federal law prohibits contributions, donations, expenditures and disbursements solicited, directed, received or made directly or indirectly by or from foreign nationals in connection with any election — federal, state or local. This prohibition includes contributions or donations made to political committees and building funds and to make electioneering communications. Furthermore, it is a violation of federal law to knowingly provide substantial assistance in the making, acceptance or receipt of contributions or donations in connection with federal and nonfederal elections to a political committee, or for the purchase or construction of an office building. This prohibition includes, but is not limited to, acting as a conduit or intermediary for foreign national contributions and donations.​

That legislation is about MONEY.
Is not about information or EMAILS.
And anything except money is perfectly legal.

But Trump was talking about wanting help in finding the missing Clinton server emails after Benghazi.
Since Hillary said they were missing, then anyone looking for or finding them would be doing everyone a favor, and it would not at all be illegal.

And you are also wrong about email in general.
Since emails always are routed through dozens of servers in order to get delivered, the counts have ruled than can never be considered private, and it is not illegal to copy them.
All the servers they are routed through likely has copies of them.

Are you talking about Russian Law? Because that sure as shit ain't the law here Igor

That putz is just making all this shit up. He clearly doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about.

Putin is getting ripped off on HIS paycheck

 

[Faun]

July 27, 2016 was when he asked for Russia's help to defeat Hillary.

If you are uneducated on the subject please go back and educate yourself first, then feel free to return. But when you sit there asking uninformed questions that just show you have no clue on the subject at hand, it doesn't help your stance.

Thanks!

Trump asked if anyone who had already hacked the DNC emails, could then also find the Benghazi emails of Hillary that Hillary said had already been deleted. Trump never asked for anyone to hack the DNC email. And no one ever hacked Hillary's emails as far as we know.

There is nothing wrong with asking for help, and there also would have been nothing wrong with giving help.
Emails have always been ruled public and not private.
But nothing happened
No one ever revealed Hillary's emails.

As far as the DNC emails, no contract was made until August, long after the June and July hacking.
And again, not only is hacking email legal, but it is also protected by whistleblower laws, since the DNC was deliberately conducting fraud by giving Hillary debate questions ahead of time.

”There is nothing wrong with asking for help, and there also would have been nothing wrong with giving help.”

LOLOL

Of course there’s something wrong with soliciting foreign nationals to hack a political opponent — it’s against the law...

Who can and can't contribute

Foreign nationals

Campaigns may not solicit[/red] or accept contributions from foreign nationals. Federal law prohibits contributions, donations, expenditures and disbursements solicited, directed, received or made directly or indirectly by or from foreign nationals in connection with any election — federal, state or local. This prohibition includes contributions or donations made to political committees and building funds and to make electioneering communications. Furthermore, it is a violation of federal law to knowingly provide substantial assistance in the making, acceptance or receipt of contributions or donations in connection with federal and nonfederal elections to a political committee, or for the purchase or construction of an office building. This prohibition includes, but is not limited to, acting as a conduit or intermediary for foreign national contributions and donations.​

That legislation is about MONEY.
Is not about information or EMAILS.
And anything except money is perfectly legal.

But Trump was talking about wanting help in finding the missing Clinton server emails after Benghazi.
Since Hillary said they were missing, then anyone looking for or finding them would be doing everyone a favor, and it would not at all be illegal.

And you are also wrong about email in general.
Since emails always are routed through dozens of servers in order to get delivered, the counts have ruled than can never be considered private, and it is not illegal to copy them.
All the servers they are routed through likely has copies of them.

”And anything except money is perfectly legal”

Nope, you’re wrong about that too. Just about everyyou’re posting is unadulterated bullshit.

It’s illegal for a campaign to solicit contributions from a foreign national. Campaign contributions are not limited to monetary donations, but extend to anything of value.

Types of contributions

Contributions are the most common source of campaign support.

A contribution is anything of value given, loaned or advanced to influence a federal election. It is important to understand which receipts are considered contributions because:​

These is nothing in the list that is remotely like emails.
Emails cost nothing to copy, so there is nothing like a service at all involved.

LOLOL

Revealing a candidate’s personal hacked email is of value to their opposition. That’s self evident as Trump wouldn’t have solicited Russia to hack her unless it was worth something to him.

 

[Rigby5]

There is nothing wrong with asking for help, and there also would have been nothing wrong with giving help.

No and no.

There is something wrong with asking a foreign government to illegally obtain your election opponent's emails and then release them to the public, as it encourages a criminal act to damage your opponent politically. Do you think there is anything wrong with that?

And it would have been wrong to give this help, in the form of the act of stealing that private property and releasing it to the public, as it is actually a crime to do so.

That is ignorant.
Email has always been ruled by all courts to be public property.
They travel between dozens of servers to get to you, and everyone along the way might intentionally or accidentally have copies.

And negotiating with a foreign power over election help is only illegal if you deliberately harm the interest of the US in the process.
For example, like when Reagan talked Iran in to holding the US hostages until after the election, so that Carter would lose.

Hacking email is illegal. Try not to appear so unhinged.

Jury convicts Palin e-mail intruder on two counts; mistrial declared on ID theft

You are totally and completely wrong.
Damaging or deleting email is illegal, but you do NOT own your email service.
It is a cooperative, shared operation, with dozens of other computers and administrators.
If you look a the Palin case, it was that David Kernell deliberately stole Palin's identity, and then was charged with "felony destruction of records". If he had just copied emails to be a whistleblower on crimes the emailed revealed, then they could not have charged him with anything.

LOLOLOLOL

Quick, call David Kernell and tell him he was wrongfully incarnated for ”unlawfully obtaining information from a protected computer.” Oh, and you’re wrong again. He was not convicted of stealing Palin’s identity. Had you actually bothered to read or understand the link I posted, you would have seen...

U.S. District Judge Thomas W. Phillips declared a mistrial on another charge, felony identity theft, after the jurors said they were hopelessly deadlocked.​

Basically, you’re just making up everything you’re posting at this point. And almost none of it’s true.

And I was kidding about calling up Mr. Kernell. You’d need a Ouija Board as he’s dead.

You are not making sense.
I never said he was convicted of anything, just charged with stealing Palin's identity.
And if you notice, it said ”unlawfully obtaining information from a protected computer.”
That implies it was a secured government computer, with additional layers of protections and warnings.
That is not the same as hacking Hillary's private email server or the DNC email server.
To make your case, you would have to prove a whole lot more details as to what he actually did.
People hack email all the time, whether from Nigeria or Russia, and no one gets convicted over copying email.
That simply is not a crime.
Nor could anyone prove they did not get it as it passed through some server on the way through the chain of servers.

 

[Rigby5]

Trump asked if anyone who had already hacked the DNC emails, could then also find the Benghazi emails of Hillary that Hillary said had already been deleted. Trump never asked for anyone to hack the DNC email. And no one ever hacked Hillary's emails as far as we know.

There is nothing wrong with asking for help, and there also would have been nothing wrong with giving help.
Emails have always been ruled public and not private.
But nothing happened
No one ever revealed Hillary's emails.

As far as the DNC emails, no contract was made until August, long after the June and July hacking.
And again, not only is hacking email legal, but it is also protected by whistleblower laws, since the DNC was deliberately conducting fraud by giving Hillary debate questions ahead of time.

”There is nothing wrong with asking for help, and there also would have been nothing wrong with giving help.”

LOLOL

Of course there’s something wrong with soliciting foreign nationals to hack a political opponent — it’s against the law...

Who can and can't contribute

Foreign nationals

Campaigns may not solicit[/red] or accept contributions from foreign nationals. Federal law prohibits contributions, donations, expenditures and disbursements solicited, directed, received or made directly or indirectly by or from foreign nationals in connection with any election — federal, state or local. This prohibition includes contributions or donations made to political committees and building funds and to make electioneering communications. Furthermore, it is a violation of federal law to knowingly provide substantial assistance in the making, acceptance or receipt of contributions or donations in connection with federal and nonfederal elections to a political committee, or for the purchase or construction of an office building. This prohibition includes, but is not limited to, acting as a conduit or intermediary for foreign national contributions and donations.​

That legislation is about MONEY.
Is not about information or EMAILS.
And anything except money is perfectly legal.

But Trump was talking about wanting help in finding the missing Clinton server emails after Benghazi.
Since Hillary said they were missing, then anyone looking for or finding them would be doing everyone a favor, and it would not at all be illegal.

And you are also wrong about email in general.
Since emails always are routed through dozens of servers in order to get delivered, the counts have ruled than can never be considered private, and it is not illegal to copy them.
All the servers they are routed through likely has copies of them.

”And anything except money is perfectly legal”

Nope, you’re wrong about that too. Just about everyyou’re posting is unadulterated bullshit.

It’s illegal for a campaign to solicit contributions from a foreign national. Campaign contributions are not limited to monetary donations, but extend to anything of value.

Types of contributions

Contributions are the most common source of campaign support.

A contribution is anything of value given, loaned or advanced to influence a federal election. It is important to understand which receipts are considered contributions because:​

These is nothing in the list that is remotely like emails.
Emails cost nothing to copy, so there is nothing like a service at all involved.

LOLOL

Revealing a candidate’s personal hacked email is of value to their opposition. That’s self evident as Trump wouldn’t have solicited Russia to hack her unless it was worth something to him.

You don't get it.
Whether or not something is of value to someone is irrelevant.
The ONLY basis for campaign finance laws is that you can try to assure that no one uses secret money to buy up a monopoly on the media.
And PERSONAL value can't do that.
Lots of things have personal value.
But the campaign finance laws can't touch that unless it can be turned into control over the media.

And in fact, there is no evidence Hillary EVER got hacked at all.
It was the DNC that got hacked, but that was BEFORE Trump suggested the Russians look for Hillary's missing emails.
So you don't seem to know at all what is even being discussed?

 

[Faun]

No and no.

There is something wrong with asking a foreign government to illegally obtain your election opponent's emails and then release them to the public, as it encourages a criminal act to damage your opponent politically. Do you think there is anything wrong with that?

And it would have been wrong to give this help, in the form of the act of stealing that private property and releasing it to the public, as it is actually a crime to do so.

That is ignorant.
Email has always been ruled by all courts to be public property.
They travel between dozens of servers to get to you, and everyone along the way might intentionally or accidentally have copies.

And negotiating with a foreign power over election help is only illegal if you deliberately harm the interest of the US in the process.
For example, like when Reagan talked Iran in to holding the US hostages until after the election, so that Carter would lose.

Hacking email is illegal. Try not to appear so unhinged.

Jury convicts Palin e-mail intruder on two counts; mistrial declared on ID theft

You are totally and completely wrong.
Damaging or deleting email is illegal, but you do NOT own your email service.
It is a cooperative, shared operation, with dozens of other computers and administrators.
If you look a the Palin case, it was that David Kernell deliberately stole Palin's identity, and then was charged with "felony destruction of records". If he had just copied emails to be a whistleblower on crimes the emailed revealed, then they could not have charged him with anything.

LOLOLOLOL

Quick, call David Kernell and tell him he was wrongfully incarnated for ”unlawfully obtaining information from a protected computer.” Oh, and you’re wrong again. He was not convicted of stealing Palin’s identity. Had you actually bothered to read or understand the link I posted, you would have seen...

U.S. District Judge Thomas W. Phillips declared a mistrial on another charge, felony identity theft, after the jurors said they were hopelessly deadlocked.​

Basically, you’re just making up everything you’re posting at this point. And almost none of it’s true.

And I was kidding about calling up Mr. Kernell. You’d need a Ouija Board as he’s dead.

You are not making sense.
I never said he was convicted of anything, just charged with stealing Palin's identity.
And if you notice, it said ”unlawfully obtaining information from a protected computer.”
That implies it was a secured government computer, with additional layers of protections and warnings.
That is not the same as hacking Hillary's private email server or the DNC email server.
To make your case, you would have to prove a whole lot more details as to what he actually did.
People hack email all the time, whether from Nigeria or Russia, and no one gets convicted over copying email.
That simply is not a crime.
Nor could anyone prove they did not get it as it passed through some server on the way through the chain of servers.

You’re still making shit up.

”That implies it was a secured government computer, with additional layers of protections and warnings.”

That implies no such thing; and in fact, it was Palin’s Yahoo! account which was hacked, not a “secure government computer.” And the hacker was convicted of hacking into her email account, so yes, it most certainly is a crime, despite your lies. Compared to Hillary, who did use her own personal email server.

 

[Faun]

”There is nothing wrong with asking for help, and there also would have been nothing wrong with giving help.”

LOLOL

Of course there’s something wrong with soliciting foreign nationals to hack a political opponent — it’s against the law...

Who can and can't contribute

Foreign nationals

Campaigns may not solicit[/red] or accept contributions from foreign nationals. Federal law prohibits contributions, donations, expenditures and disbursements solicited, directed, received or made directly or indirectly by or from foreign nationals in connection with any election — federal, state or local. This prohibition includes contributions or donations made to political committees and building funds and to make electioneering communications. Furthermore, it is a violation of federal law to knowingly provide substantial assistance in the making, acceptance or receipt of contributions or donations in connection with federal and nonfederal elections to a political committee, or for the purchase or construction of an office building. This prohibition includes, but is not limited to, acting as a conduit or intermediary for foreign national contributions and donations.​

That legislation is about MONEY.
Is not about information or EMAILS.
And anything except money is perfectly legal.

But Trump was talking about wanting help in finding the missing Clinton server emails after Benghazi.
Since Hillary said they were missing, then anyone looking for or finding them would be doing everyone a favor, and it would not at all be illegal.

And you are also wrong about email in general.
Since emails always are routed through dozens of servers in order to get delivered, the counts have ruled than can never be considered private, and it is not illegal to copy them.
All the servers they are routed through likely has copies of them.

”And anything except money is perfectly legal”

Nope, you’re wrong about that too. Just about everyyou’re posting is unadulterated bullshit.

It’s illegal for a campaign to solicit contributions from a foreign national. Campaign contributions are not limited to monetary donations, but extend to anything of value.

Types of contributions

Contributions are the most common source of campaign support.

A contribution is anything of value given, loaned or advanced to influence a federal election. It is important to understand which receipts are considered contributions because:​

These is nothing in the list that is remotely like emails.
Emails cost nothing to copy, so there is nothing like a service at all involved.

LOLOL

Revealing a candidate’s personal hacked email is of value to their opposition. That’s self evident as Trump wouldn’t have solicited Russia to hack her unless it was worth something to him.

You don't get it.
Whether or not something is of value to someone is irrelevant.
The ONLY basis for campaign finance laws is that you can try to assure that no one uses secret money to buy up a monopoly on the media.
And PERSONAL value can't do that.
Lots of things have personal value.
But the campaign finance laws can't touch that unless it can be turned into control over the media.

And in fact, there is no evidence Hillary EVER got hacked at all.
It was the DNC that got hacked, but that was BEFORE Trump suggested the Russians look for Hillary's missing emails.
So you don't seem to know at all what is even being discussed?

I already showed you contributions do not need to be monetary. Anything of value is a contribution. Soliciting Russia’s service to hack Hillary’s email might very well constitute a crime. We’ll see what Mueller finds when he releases his report.

 

[beautress]

Now that Cohen has been revealed as a total nothing-burger, what shall we do next?

Should we pretend Cohen never happened and continue the collusion narrative, promising an impending Mueller "bombshell"? Or shall we take a different, wiser tangent? One thing is certain, Trump is GUILTY and UNFIT, and something must be done. Even a Republican like me knows that!

So in true bipartisan spirit, I've compiled some possibilities that should be considered. I've run these through the same computer used to predict global warming, so the actual probabilities are included. They're 100% accurate, you can trust me:

• Trump is an alien from the planet Flaflooga, sent to take over the Earth with his mind-ray: 87%
• Trump is literally Hitler, thawed from cryogenic suspension and here to establish the New Reich: 92%
• A Genuine Birth Certificate will be found proving that Trump is a Russian national (how ironic!): 41%
• Cancelled checks from Trump to Putin with the memo "Thanks for the boost" will surface: 78%
• Trump and Pence will both get "an offer they can't refuse" from Kim: 18%
• Pelosi and Schumer will prove that Trump is actually their 17 year old love child: 29%
• AOC will tweet a clapback so stunning that Trump will resign in shame: 65%

As you can see, there is at least a 410% chance that Trump should not be President. I'm sure there are more possibilities, but the computer overheated. This should take us well past 2020.

You're welcome, Democrats!

I think all this fanfare is a little over-the-top. Really. Dems are dragging people onscreen to humiliate and divide. It's sad to watch people so intent on taking aim and shooting self in foot.

 

[Rigby5]

That is ignorant.
Email has always been ruled by all courts to be public property.
They travel between dozens of servers to get to you, and everyone along the way might intentionally or accidentally have copies.

And negotiating with a foreign power over election help is only illegal if you deliberately harm the interest of the US in the process.
For example, like when Reagan talked Iran in to holding the US hostages until after the election, so that Carter would lose.

Hacking email is illegal. Try not to appear so unhinged.

Jury convicts Palin e-mail intruder on two counts; mistrial declared on ID theft

You are totally and completely wrong.
Damaging or deleting email is illegal, but you do NOT own your email service.
It is a cooperative, shared operation, with dozens of other computers and administrators.
If you look a the Palin case, it was that David Kernell deliberately stole Palin's identity, and then was charged with "felony destruction of records". If he had just copied emails to be a whistleblower on crimes the emailed revealed, then they could not have charged him with anything.

LOLOLOLOL

Quick, call David Kernell and tell him he was wrongfully incarnated for ”unlawfully obtaining information from a protected computer.” Oh, and you’re wrong again. He was not convicted of stealing Palin’s identity. Had you actually bothered to read or understand the link I posted, you would have seen...

U.S. District Judge Thomas W. Phillips declared a mistrial on another charge, felony identity theft, after the jurors said they were hopelessly deadlocked.​

Basically, you’re just making up everything you’re posting at this point. And almost none of it’s true.

And I was kidding about calling up Mr. Kernell. You’d need a Ouija Board as he’s dead.

You are not making sense.
I never said he was convicted of anything, just charged with stealing Palin's identity.
And if you notice, it said ”unlawfully obtaining information from a protected computer.”
That implies it was a secured government computer, with additional layers of protections and warnings.
That is not the same as hacking Hillary's private email server or the DNC email server.
To make your case, you would have to prove a whole lot more details as to what he actually did.
People hack email all the time, whether from Nigeria or Russia, and no one gets convicted over copying email.
That simply is not a crime.
Nor could anyone prove they did not get it as it passed through some server on the way through the chain of servers.

You’re still making shit up.

”That implies it was a secured government computer, with additional layers of protections and warnings.”

That implies no such thing; and in fact, it was Palin’s Yahoo! account which was hacked, not a “secure government computer.” And the hacker was convicted of hacking into her email account, so yes, it most certainly is a crime, despite your lies. Compared to Hillary, who did use her own personal email server.

Nonsense, you proved nothing of the kind.
Clearly the felony charges were things, like destruction of information.
The fact he reposted things also violated privacy laws.

 

[Rigby5]

That legislation is about MONEY.
Is not about information or EMAILS.
And anything except money is perfectly legal.

But Trump was talking about wanting help in finding the missing Clinton server emails after Benghazi.
Since Hillary said they were missing, then anyone looking for or finding them would be doing everyone a favor, and it would not at all be illegal.

And you are also wrong about email in general.
Since emails always are routed through dozens of servers in order to get delivered, the counts have ruled than can never be considered private, and it is not illegal to copy them.
All the servers they are routed through likely has copies of them.

”And anything except money is perfectly legal”

Nope, you’re wrong about that too. Just about everyyou’re posting is unadulterated bullshit.

It’s illegal for a campaign to solicit contributions from a foreign national. Campaign contributions are not limited to monetary donations, but extend to anything of value.

Types of contributions

Contributions are the most common source of campaign support.

A contribution is anything of value given, loaned or advanced to influence a federal election. It is important to understand which receipts are considered contributions because:​

These is nothing in the list that is remotely like emails.
Emails cost nothing to copy, so there is nothing like a service at all involved.

LOLOL

Revealing a candidate’s personal hacked email is of value to their opposition. That’s self evident as Trump wouldn’t have solicited Russia to hack her unless it was worth something to him.

You don't get it.
Whether or not something is of value to someone is irrelevant.
The ONLY basis for campaign finance laws is that you can try to assure that no one uses secret money to buy up a monopoly on the media.
And PERSONAL value can't do that.
Lots of things have personal value.
But the campaign finance laws can't touch that unless it can be turned into control over the media.

And in fact, there is no evidence Hillary EVER got hacked at all.
It was the DNC that got hacked, but that was BEFORE Trump suggested the Russians look for Hillary's missing emails.
So you don't seem to know at all what is even being discussed?

I already showed you contributions do not need to be monetary. Anything of value is a contribution. Soliciting Russia’s service to hack Hillary’s email might very well constitute a crime. We’ll see what Mueller finds when he releases his report.

Wrong.
Yes it DOES have to be something liquid.
Campaign finance laws have no jurisdiction over things like dirty tricks.
They ONLY have jurisdiction over being able to buy up media access.
And after Citizens United, there really is no longer anyway to regulate any campaign contributions.
Any company with foreign assets can mix those into combined company campaign contributions any time it wants, since they no longer have to list the sources.

 

[Care4all]

”There is nothing wrong with asking for help, and there also would have been nothing wrong with giving help.”

LOLOL

Of course there’s something wrong with soliciting foreign nationals to hack a political opponent — it’s against the law...

Who can and can't contribute

Foreign nationals

Campaigns may not solicit[/red] or accept contributions from foreign nationals. Federal law prohibits contributions, donations, expenditures and disbursements solicited, directed, received or made directly or indirectly by or from foreign nationals in connection with any election — federal, state or local. This prohibition includes contributions or donations made to political committees and building funds and to make electioneering communications. Furthermore, it is a violation of federal law to knowingly provide substantial assistance in the making, acceptance or receipt of contributions or donations in connection with federal and nonfederal elections to a political committee, or for the purchase or construction of an office building. This prohibition includes, but is not limited to, acting as a conduit or intermediary for foreign national contributions and donations.​

That legislation is about MONEY.
Is not about information or EMAILS.
And anything except money is perfectly legal.

But Trump was talking about wanting help in finding the missing Clinton server emails after Benghazi.
Since Hillary said they were missing, then anyone looking for or finding them would be doing everyone a favor, and it would not at all be illegal.

And you are also wrong about email in general.
Since emails always are routed through dozens of servers in order to get delivered, the counts have ruled than can never be considered private, and it is not illegal to copy them.
All the servers they are routed through likely has copies of them.

”And anything except money is perfectly legal”

Nope, you’re wrong about that too. Just about everyyou’re posting is unadulterated bullshit.

It’s illegal for a campaign to solicit contributions from a foreign national. Campaign contributions are not limited to monetary donations, but extend to anything of value.

Types of contributions

Contributions are the most common source of campaign support.

A contribution is anything of value given, loaned or advanced to influence a federal election. It is important to understand which receipts are considered contributions because:​

These is nothing in the list that is remotely like emails.
Emails cost nothing to copy, so there is nothing like a service at all involved.

LOLOL

Revealing a candidate’s personal hacked email is of value to their opposition. That’s self evident as Trump wouldn’t have solicited Russia to hack her unless it was worth something to him.

You don't get it.
Whether or not something is of value to someone is irrelevant.
The ONLY basis for campaign finance laws is that you can try to assure that no one uses secret money to buy up a monopoly on the media.
And PERSONAL value can't do that.
Lots of things have personal value.
But the campaign finance laws can't touch that unless it can be turned into control over the media.

And in fact, there is no evidence Hillary EVER got hacked at all.
It was the DNC that got hacked, but that was BEFORE Trump suggested the Russians look for Hillary's missing emails.
So you don't seem to know at all what is even being discussed?

FYI
Clinton's private server was hacked by Russian operatives the night Candidate Trump made his "Russia, if you are listening...." comment, and there is PROOF, it is in the Mueller indictment of the Russian intelligence operatives.

 

[Snouter]

It is nice to see some of the verified TDS folks still are not too embarrassed to post their idiotic, fake news.

 

[SandSquid]

Trump asked if anyone who had already hacked the DNC emails, could then also find the Benghazi emails of Hillary that Hillary said had already been deleted. Trump never asked for anyone to hack the DNC email. And no one ever hacked Hillary's emails as far as we know.

There is nothing wrong with asking for help, and there also would have been nothing wrong with giving help.
Emails have always been ruled public and not private.
But nothing happened
No one ever revealed Hillary's emails.

As far as the DNC emails, no contract was made until August, long after the June and July hacking.
And again, not only is hacking email legal, but it is also protected by whistleblower laws, since the DNC was deliberately conducting fraud by giving Hillary debate questions ahead of time.

”There is nothing wrong with asking for help, and there also would have been nothing wrong with giving help.”

LOLOL

Of course there’s something wrong with soliciting foreign nationals to hack a political opponent — it’s against the law...

Who can and can't contribute

Foreign nationals

Campaigns may not solicit[/red] or accept contributions from foreign nationals. Federal law prohibits contributions, donations, expenditures and disbursements solicited, directed, received or made directly or indirectly by or from foreign nationals in connection with any election — federal, state or local. This prohibition includes contributions or donations made to political committees and building funds and to make electioneering communications. Furthermore, it is a violation of federal law to knowingly provide substantial assistance in the making, acceptance or receipt of contributions or donations in connection with federal and nonfederal elections to a political committee, or for the purchase or construction of an office building. This prohibition includes, but is not limited to, acting as a conduit or intermediary for foreign national contributions and donations.​

That legislation is about MONEY.
Is not about information or EMAILS.
And anything except money is perfectly legal.

But Trump was talking about wanting help in finding the missing Clinton server emails after Benghazi.
Since Hillary said they were missing, then anyone looking for or finding them would be doing everyone a favor, and it would not at all be illegal.

And you are also wrong about email in general.
Since emails always are routed through dozens of servers in order to get delivered, the counts have ruled than can never be considered private, and it is not illegal to copy them.
All the servers they are routed through likely has copies of them.

Are you talking about Russian Law? Because that sure as shit ain't the law here Igor

That putz is just making all this shit up. He clearly doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about.

Putin is getting ripped off on HIS paycheck

I dunno, he got a guy in office who's pushing to relax sanctions on Russia, who's ignoring the overtaking in the Ukraine. Who's working to weaken US support for NATO. Who's leaving Russia to expand their influence in Syria. Who's siding with Putin over US intelligence agencies.

Seems like he's doing pretty well

 

[Faun]

Hacking email is illegal. Try not to appear so unhinged.

Jury convicts Palin e-mail intruder on two counts; mistrial declared on ID theft

You are totally and completely wrong.
Damaging or deleting email is illegal, but you do NOT own your email service.
It is a cooperative, shared operation, with dozens of other computers and administrators.
If you look a the Palin case, it was that David Kernell deliberately stole Palin's identity, and then was charged with "felony destruction of records". If he had just copied emails to be a whistleblower on crimes the emailed revealed, then they could not have charged him with anything.

LOLOLOLOL

Quick, call David Kernell and tell him he was wrongfully incarnated for ”unlawfully obtaining information from a protected computer.” Oh, and you’re wrong again. He was not convicted of stealing Palin’s identity. Had you actually bothered to read or understand the link I posted, you would have seen...

U.S. District Judge Thomas W. Phillips declared a mistrial on another charge, felony identity theft, after the jurors said they were hopelessly deadlocked.​

Basically, you’re just making up everything you’re posting at this point. And almost none of it’s true.

And I was kidding about calling up Mr. Kernell. You’d need a Ouija Board as he’s dead.

You are not making sense.
I never said he was convicted of anything, just charged with stealing Palin's identity.
And if you notice, it said ”unlawfully obtaining information from a protected computer.”
That implies it was a secured government computer, with additional layers of protections and warnings.
That is not the same as hacking Hillary's private email server or the DNC email server.
To make your case, you would have to prove a whole lot more details as to what he actually did.
People hack email all the time, whether from Nigeria or Russia, and no one gets convicted over copying email.
That simply is not a crime.
Nor could anyone prove they did not get it as it passed through some server on the way through the chain of servers.

You’re still making shit up.

”That implies it was a secured government computer, with additional layers of protections and warnings.”

That implies no such thing; and in fact, it was Palin’s Yahoo! account which was hacked, not a “secure government computer.” And the hacker was convicted of hacking into her email account, so yes, it most certainly is a crime, despite your lies. Compared to Hillary, who did use her own personal email server.

Nonsense, you proved nothing of the kind.
Clearly the felony charges were things, like destruction of information.
The fact he reposted things also violated privacy laws.

LOLOL

The guy went to jail for hacking into her email; yet here you are, still denying it’s s crime.

Meanwhile, at the same time, nearly everything you’ve posted has been wrong.