North Carolina approves amendment banning gay marriage

[Dr Grump]

Should Catholic churches be forced to marry gay people??

No. Nor should they have any say in same sex couples going to the registry office and getting married.

Hence Civil Unions......

What's the difference if they get a marriage license from a registry office?

 

[theHawk]

orth Carolina voters approved a constitutional amendment on Tuesday defining marriage solely as a union between a man and a woman, making it the 30th state to adopt such a ban.
With 35 percent of precincts reporting Tuesday, unofficial returns showed the amendment passing with about 58 percent of the vote to 42 percent against.
In the final days before the vote, members of President Barack Obama's cabinet expressed support for gay marriage and former President Bill Clinton recorded phone messages urging voters to reject the amendment. Opponents also held marches, ran TV ads and gave speeches, including one by Jay Bakker, son of televangelists Jim Bakker and the late Tammy Faye Bakker.


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Is evolver in chief too late?

Good thing the Democratic National Convention is in this battleground state, because that is sure to change the mind of all the racist, homophobic hillbillies that voted against gay marriage!



As for the Hussein, he is so intelligent, so nuanced in his critical thinking, that we must not question his stance on any issue. We should just accept that he is more wise than any of us, and leave it at that.

 

[Dr Grump]

Stay out of this philosophy - I don't believe you're intelligent enough to participate.

once again, your beliefs are false and irrelevant. but its always funny when someone with half my IQ pretends they're smarter than i am.

feel free to find another board if i trouble you.

You can't even capitalize...

Poor form....

And if you debate intelligence with her, you'd lose every time...

 

[nitroz]

Meh, this gay marriage debate needs to die allready.
It shouldn't be legal or illegal for the state to rule on marriage. It should be left to the Churches and the state should respectfully recognize those marriages.

 

[koshergrl]

Now that's a thought.

 

[Mr.Nick]

No. Nor should they have any say in same sex couples going to the registry office and getting married.

Hence Civil Unions......

What's the difference if they get a marriage license from a registry office?

Well one is authorized and endorsed by the church/temple/mosque, the other is endorsed by the state.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

once again, your beliefs are false and irrelevant. but its always funny when someone with half my IQ pretends they're smarter than i am.

feel free to find another board if i trouble you.

You can't even capitalize...

Poor form....

And if you debate intelligence with her, you'd lose every time...

To bad you have yet to show any intelligence. Stop being a bludge

 

[Mr.Nick]

once again, your beliefs are false and irrelevant. but its always funny when someone with half my IQ pretends they're smarter than i am.

feel free to find another board if i trouble you.

You can't even capitalize...

Poor form....

And if you debate intelligence with her, you'd lose every time...

Poor form?

You can believe what you like..

 

[koshergrl]

What is debating intelligence?

Is that like CIA stuff?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Meh, this gay marriage debate needs to die allready.
It shouldn't be legal or illegal for the state to rule on marriage. It should be left to the Churches and the state should respectfully recognize those marriages.

So you force a church to have gay marriages? Not to many churches are going to do that

 

[Quantum Windbag]

In the context of this discussion, we're talking about two consenting adult humans.

I don't recall anybody arguing anything related to minors.
.

Are you saying that no one who is getting married has children? I think that is a bit close minded of you.

The simple fact is that some people who are involved in same sex relationships have children, and that any talk of same sex marriage has to admit that, and admit that those children also have rights. I am pretty sure the entire rational for allowing the state to jump into regulating marriage in the first place can be boiled down to "It's for the children." That means that this debate has to include the rights of children to be realistic.

Apologies - I misunderstood you earlier.

So - obviously everyone has rights. But what are the rights, exactly, that you are talking about with regards to children and their parents, as it relates to this conversation about same-sex couples?

The same rights that they have in any marriage. I don't really know what they are, not being a family law specialist.

 

[Mr.Nick]

I love the fucking idiots that don't know the difference between "Marriage" and "Civil Union."

 

[Unkotare]

And if you debate intelligence with her, you'd lose every time...

If he debated intelligence with a door knob he'd lose.

 

[theHawk]

Well, there is a difference between marriage and civil unions.

I suppose I could care less if gays want civil unions, however I am opposed to gay marriage.

I view marriage as a religious based sacrament which has First Amendment implications...

Can you tell me how it affects you.

let's pretend a gay couple (male or female, doesn't matter) get married and move in next door to you.

Habits aside (maybe they like loud music, or rev up their car at 5.30 every morning), how does their maritial status impact on your life one iota.

If anybody could give me one example where a gay couple getting married impacts on their life, then please do...but be prepared for your answer to be eviscerated....

If you could give us one example where a neighbor who doesn't recognize gay marriages impacts the gay couple's lives, then please do so....because thats what this "issue" is really about. Gays can get married in any state at any "church" that performs them. All these so called "gay marriage bans" do is say that the government won't recognize gay marriages.

Why do gay people care so much if everyone else doesn't care about their so-called marriages? None of their rights are being denied or violated, they enjoy the same rights as non-married folks.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Should Catholic churches be forced to marry gay people??

This question makes no sense, the 14th Amendment applies only to public sector entities. The issue doesn’t involve religious institutions in any way.

 

[Mr.Nick]

What is debating intelligence?

Is that like CIA stuff?

Well, anyone who implies another is an idiot while they fail to use 1st grade grammar properly themselves should be scolded.....

 

[Dr Grump]

Hence Civil Unions......

What's the difference if they get a marriage license from a registry office?

Well one is authorized and endorsed by the church/temple/mosque, the other is endorsed by the state.

I realise this. Therefore if gay couples went to the registry office they would be getting a marriage license, yeah?

I do realise that there are some Christian gays who would want the Church to force them to be married, and yes, that would be an issue. I know that Church of England pastors etc marry gay couples in the UK. Sure there would be a few happy to do the same in the US..

 

[Dr Grump]

You can't even capitalize...

Poor form....

And if you debate intelligence with her, you'd lose every time...

To bad you have yet to show any intelligence. Stop being a bludge

That piece of wind your boyfriend just passed showed more signs of intelligence than you ever will...

 

[Dr Grump]

You can't even capitalize...

Poor form....

And if you debate intelligence with her, you'd lose every time...

Poor form?

You can believe what you like..

Not a matter of belief at all...

 

[Mr.Nick]

Should Catholic churches be forced to marry gay people??

This question makes no sense, the 14th Amendment applies only to public sector entities. The issue doesn’t involve religious institutions in any way.

Try the First Amendment....

Outside of that -- that is the difference between a civil union and a marriage. A marriage is endorsed by the church and a Civil Union is endorsed by the government.