Two Thumbs
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there's a vast difference between doing a real crime and getting justice done to you, and committing a petty crime and getting fucked.No it hasn't. There are plenty of Americans in prisons all over the world for committing crimes in foreign countries. We aren't trying to recover them.Nope. You got that wrong too. We're not going to negotiate for this vandal/thief. Hopefully in 15 years, he's a wiser man.I said the United States won't negotiate FOR a criminal, so don't correct me. And you're conflating material crimes with political crimes such as having a bible. His wasn't a political crime, it was one of theft and vandalism and your claim that a North Korean national committing the same offense wouldn't be punished is nonsense.Not wrong.
I didn't say harsh punishments weren't common in North Korea, I wasn't talking about many of the things that are considered crimes for North Korean citizens. I was talking about what this guy did.
The US doesn't negotiate with "criminals"? Well actually they'd be negotiating FOR a criminal. North Korea makes the rules within its own borders, the regime aren't criminals, unless of course you want to get into international law, in which case many of the countries the US deal with are criminals.
List of Americans detained by North Korea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jeffery Edward Fowle, flew out on a US govt jet from North Korea. Arrested for leaving a Bible behind (deliberately as well, they should have let him rot).
Matthew Todd Miller and Kenneth Bae released after intervention from US GOVERNMENT WORKER James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence.
Merril Newman was taken off his flight back to Beijing, Bill Richardson went and mediated and the Swedish Embassy there (which does work for the US who don't have an Embassy there) were also in touch relaying messages from the US to the North Koreans.
Yep, the US doesn't negotiate with terrorists, much, well, most of the time, but hey.
The kid will be back before March 2017.
Okay, i got something wrong, what I didn't get wrong is that he'll be back soon.
Any evidence to suggest why the US would suddenly change policy now? It's gone in there for every other person, why not now?