Now We Know The Truth About Accusing the Right of Being Racists

[MaggieMae]

Here's the basic fact: A cabal of leftwing journalist conspired to suppress news and accuse innocent people of racism as a diversionary tactic.

There is no equivalent incident on the right.

Ya think?

On the team: The stunning hypocrisy of Journolist's critics - Joe Conason - Salon.com
And then, from the conservative "American Spectator" regarding Journolist:

Perhaps it is appropriate to give the last word to the American Spectator's John Tabin, who has written a striking dissent from the right-wing hysterics over Journolist:

Since 1993, Grover Norquist has held an off-the-record meeting every Wednesday where conservative activists, policy wonks, and government officials exchange ideas about policy and politics. Sometimes journalists attend. Depending on a particular journalist's ideological and partisan disposition -- which can vary quite a lot given the state of our media landscape, which includes both 'straight news' reporters (i.e. people who attempt to hide the almost-always-left-of-center opinions that shape their journalistic choices) and opinion journalists with various worldviews and temperaments -- journalists may be there to get ideas that will influence how they think about issues, or they may just be there to get perspective on how conservatives are thinking about the issues of the day.

The Wednesday Meeting has periodically been the source of breathless fear-mongering on the left about the all-powerful conservative conspiracy to control media narratives. This is, of course, absurd. Much of the hyperventilating over Journolist is equally absurd ...

yeah
and i agree that any hyperventilating is absurd
i dont see much of that over the journolist so much as showing the utter hypocrisy of it

So does that mean you agree that posting the content of Journolist NOW was overreaction?

 

[DiveCon]

Can you prove that? Among hundreds of contributors to the documentary, these were former Fox employees:

Frank O'Donnell, Former Fox News Producer, Washington DC
Dave Burnett, Former Fox News Reporter, Washington DC
Diana Winthrop, Former Fox News Producer
Larry C. Johnson, Former Fox News Contributor
Jon Du Pre, Former Fox News Anchor-West Coast Bureau
Clara Frenk, Former Fox News Producer
Dave Korb, Former Freelance Fox News Writer
David Hnatiuk, Former Fox Music Supervisor

yeah, and you've never heard of disgruntled former employees bashing the former employer
LOL

Now how did I KNOW you were going to say that?! In fact, I almost added it when I posted the list.

because its LOGICAL

 

[DiveCon]

Ya think?

On the team: The stunning hypocrisy of Journolist's critics - Joe Conason - Salon.com
And then, from the conservative "American Spectator" regarding Journolist:

yeah
and i agree that any hyperventilating is absurd
i dont see much of that over the journolist so much as showing the utter hypocrisy of it

So does that mean you agree that posting the content of Journolist NOW was overreaction?

no, i think it needed to be exposed

SOME might be over reacting, but i dont see so much of that in this thread
its just proof that they planed to just call anyone a racist and they did

 

[MaggieMae]

I don't know if the left is worse. But sometimes I think that's all the left has. Those on the right can articulate why they hold the opinions that they do and can defend them without name calling if they have to. I'm not sure many on the left can do that. Very few accept when challenged to do so.

So it's okay when someone like Boedicca, when she runs out of debate points, decides to call me Maggie Maggot. I suggest you not make sweeping assessments if you haven't actually read some of the insulting remarks made by members of your own club.

You are not still angry at me for my remark a few days ago about thinking you were "older than dirt," are you?

I thought for sure that you would know I only thought you were half the age of dirt.

Immie

No, I often refer to myself as "older than dirt." I sometimes FEEL older than dirt. But with age comes wisdom and I'm a very happy person because of it.

 

[MaggieMae]

I can agree with that.

The Democrats cater to the poor, needy and the downtrodden. They cater to them with promises and sometimes they even follow through.

I don't think they necessarily care any more for them than Conservatives/Republicans do, but I think the message is easier to sell coming from the liberal/Democrat perspective. The Democrats believe that Welfare is the answer to saving the poor. Republicans believe it to be much of the problem. Conservatives/Republicans believe in the hand up rather than the hand out. Who is right? Personally, I think the hand up is better in the long run.

But, how do you sell the Conservative/Republican message to the single mother of five who is struggling to make ends meet? You don't. Even if in the long run she would be better off being out from under Welfare.

Immie

Conservatives with a conscience do; conservative politicans most assuredly do NOT offer a "hand up." Ever. They may go along with some of the social umbrella policies, but I can't think of a single one that they have actually sponsored independent of Democrats.

Is there such a thing as conservative politician these days?

If so, name one please.

Immie

A true conservative, one with a conscience, and one whom I greatly admire is Tom Coburn. He not only truly believes in his convictions, is always willing to listen and study opposing viewpoints, but he isn't afraid to call out his fellow "conservative" lawmakers who fake it all the way.

 

[MaggieMae]

Conservatives with a conscience do; conservative politicans most assuredly do NOT offer a "hand up." Ever. They may go along with some of the social umbrella policies, but I can't think of a single one that they have actually sponsored independent of Democrats.

Is there such a thing as conservative politician these days?

If so, name one please.

Immie

Newt Gingrich

There are more than a few things I could find fault with Newt about, but he is another one who is at least willing to sit down and compromise.

 

[MaggieMae]

Is there such a thing as conservative politician these days?

If so, name one please.

Immie

Newt Gingrich

Newt's not really politicking these days though is he.

I can think of one who appears to be conservative, but I don't think he is well known outside of this district. He is my rep, Adam Putnam. Seems to be relatively conservative as far as I can tell.

Immie

Gingrich is sounding more and more like he will run. He has said he will make a decision by the end of August, and has been making public appearances for months now. A final matchup between Romney and Gingrich would be wonderful to watch, as the GOP would finally have two viable candidates with a ton of experience backing them up.

 

[MaggieMae]

Gee Whiz. The Dems tell blacks that the GOP is racist, and then gather up black voters into busses and take them to polling places. One year, they even gave out fried chicken dinner coupons to their shepherded voters in Oakland.

I don't believe for a moment that all blacks think all GOP (what's that, anyway?) is racist, but I must say it's comments LIKE YOURS^ that make them believers.

You don't know what GOP stands for? Or are you being facetious? GOP stands for Grand Ol' Party, which is the Republican party.

I was being sarcastic. In my opinion, the Grand Old Party has been hijacked by the extreme right.

 

[MaggieMae]

Gee Whiz. The Dems tell blacks that the GOP is racist, and then gather up black voters into busses and take them to polling places. One year, they even gave out fried chicken dinner coupons to their shepherded voters in Oakland.

I don't believe for a moment that all blacks think all GOP (what's that, anyway?) is racist, but I must say it's comments LIKE YOURS^ that make them believers.

i dont know about what she claims in oakland, but i do know what the dems did in St Louis in 2000
they had the polls open 2.5 hours after they were supposed to be closed while they were busing people to them to vote

And what happened in Ohio in 2004?

 

[boedicca]

i dont know about what she claims in oakland, but i do know what the dems did in St Louis in 2000
they had the polls open 2.5 hours after they were supposed to be closed while they were busing people to them to vote

Oakland Mayor Elihu Harris promised free fried chicken to Oaklanders who showed their "proof of voting" at supermarkets in largely black neighborhoods. I remember it well, having moved to Oakland a couple of years earlier. The backlash was quite negative, even in the liberal Bay Area media.

you'll be asked for it anyway, but do you have a link for that?

It was a bit before the web became the source of all human knowledge.

The incidence appears in his bio on wiki:

Elihu Harris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And here:

The return of Audie Bock | Political Blotter

 

[MaggieMae]

Newt's not really politicking these days though is he.

I can think of one who appears to be conservative, but I don't think he is well known outside of this district. He is my rep, Adam Putnam. Seems to be relatively conservative as far as I can tell.

Immie

there are hints he might get back in a race for something

Newt's not really politicking these days though is he.

I can think of one who appears to be conservative, but I don't think he is well known outside of this district. He is my rep, Adam Putnam. Seems to be relatively conservative as far as I can tell.

Immie

He's thinking about running for POTUS in 2012.

I have heard that as well, but nothing solid on it.

If you ask me, I'd say he's crazy for even considering it. I always liked him and was sorry to see him get involved in the scandal he did, but, I don't know why anyone would want to put themselves through the wringer he would end up going through.

Immie

Politicians having affairs is so passe. Who cares?

 

[WillowTree]

FOX is newsinfotainment. That's why I can't stand it.

well if that's all it is why is obie wan obsessed with shutting it down doyathink?

 

[DiveCon]

Oakland Mayor Elihu Harris promised free fried chicken to Oaklanders who showed their "proof of voting" at supermarkets in largely black neighborhoods. I remember it well, having moved to Oakland a couple of years earlier. The backlash was quite negative, even in the liberal Bay Area media.

you'll be asked for it anyway, but do you have a link for that?

It was a bit before the web became the source of all human knowledge.

The incidence appears in his bio on wiki:

Elihu Harris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And here:

The return of Audie Bock | Political Blotter

thanks

 

[MaggieMae]

yeah
and i agree that any hyperventilating is absurd
i dont see much of that over the journolist so much as showing the utter hypocrisy of it

So does that mean you agree that posting the content of Journolist NOW was overreaction?

no, i think it needed to be exposed

SOME might be over reacting, but i dont see so much of that in this thread
its just proof that they planed to just call anyone a racist and they did

They did? Ackerman publicly called Fred Barnes and Karl Rove racists? When was that published? Or was it just a comment exchanged within the Journolist website? See what I mean? Just having discussions on a website means squat.

 

[DiveCon]

there are hints he might get back in a race for something

He's thinking about running for POTUS in 2012.

I have heard that as well, but nothing solid on it.

If you ask me, I'd say he's crazy for even considering it. I always liked him and was sorry to see him get involved in the scandal he did, but, I don't know why anyone would want to put themselves through the wringer he would end up going through.

Immie

Politicians having affairs is so passe. Who cares?

well, it seems some only care when the person has an (R) after their name, but its passe if they have a (D)

not that i'm saying YOU are one of those some

 

[DiveCon]

So does that mean you agree that posting the content of Journolist NOW was overreaction?

no, i think it needed to be exposed

SOME might be over reacting, but i dont see so much of that in this thread
its just proof that they planed to just call anyone a racist and they did

They did? Ackerman publicly called Fred Barnes and Karl Rove racists? When was that published? Or was it just a comment exchanged within the Journolist website? See what I mean? Just having discussions on a website means squat.

Barnes and Rove were only an example
but they did call anyone that opposed Obama racist

 

[The Infidel]

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[MaggieMae]

I have heard that as well, but nothing solid on it.

If you ask me, I'd say he's crazy for even considering it. I always liked him and was sorry to see him get involved in the scandal he did, but, I don't know why anyone would want to put themselves through the wringer he would end up going through.

Immie

Politicians having affairs is so passe. Who cares?

well, it seems some only care when the person has an (R) after their name, but its passe if they have a (D)

not that i'm saying YOU are one of those some

Thank you. No, I haven't been critical unless they happened to be a person who was loudly vocal about the sanctity of marriage, for example, then we find out he's been screwing around all the time. I've forgotten the S.C. governor's name, but I thought he was a good governor and completely honest in his feelings with regard to his love affair. It's too bad it ruined his career.

I should add that it took me a long time to get past Bill Clinton's sexcapades. I think I would have been more understanding if he hadn't been so blase' about where he carried on. I think it must be extremely difficult, especially for a man, to be constantly in the presence of beautiful women, some of whom throw themselves at them hoping for their own self-gratification in having 'done a politician.'

 

[Immanuel]

I'm through arguing.

How can we have a rational discussion if you won't participate?

Without you holding up your end of the bargain, who knows what radical lefty, we might get?

Immie

I don't think she's being "radical" at all. She simply sees the situation from a totally different perspective. I'm willing to bet there are a whole lot more people who once looked down their noses at welfare recipients but who are now very thankful that those social umbrellas were in place if they have been caught between that proverbial rock and a hard place of being unexpectedly unemployed for any length of time. Being there changes ones perspective. Greatly.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Is there something wrong with the bandwidth tonight and full messages are not getting through? I did not say she was radical. I said "who knows what radical lefty we might get"... hmmm, and then you showed up.

I'm tired of arguing. You guys can do my part.

Ah, but not as good as you.

I see Maggie's joined the discussion, but haven't read her post.

Maggie is an excellent relief pitcher when she doesn't start. At least there is still hope to continue this discussion.

I do understand your frustration and desire to end the discussion. There always becomes a point when you feel like a discussion is going around and around in circles and nothing gets accomplished.

Immie

Thanks, but I've only got about another good half-hour left in me too. It's almost time for the night shift anyway!

But you can come back and play later, right?

Immie

 

[Immanuel]

Conservatives with a conscience do; conservative politicans most assuredly do NOT offer a "hand up." Ever. They may go along with some of the social umbrella policies, but I can't think of a single one that they have actually sponsored independent of Democrats.

Is there such a thing as conservative politician these days?

If so, name one please.

Immie

A true conservative, one with a conscience, and one whom I greatly admire is Tom Coburn. He not only truly believes in his convictions, is always willing to listen and study opposing viewpoints, but he isn't afraid to call out his fellow "conservative" lawmakers who fake it all the way.

Hmm, don't think I have ever heard of him.

Is he up to running in 2012?

Immie