There are degrees to socialism....Bush was a big spender, social on some, and conservatice on others. Obama is going to take us a lot further into socialism that Bush ever did. Remember, Obama just got into his office, and with the likes of Pelosi, and Reid...
No there's aren't.
Socialism has a MEANING.
Obama might be fifty kinds of fool, he may be all sort of things you disapprove of but until he nationalizes this nations MEANS OF PRODUCTION he is no more a socialist than you are.
Jesus christ on a crutch go get a fucking education.
What the hell are you talking about??
I'm talking about socialism, and what it really means.
Right now we have social security, we have medicare, welfare....which is socialiism...that is socialism...
ACtually no, they are not socialism.
They may be something that our government does which you object to, and your complaints about them might be 100% spot on, but they are NOT socialism.
Socialism is when the government takes owwnership and control over the means of PRODUCTION. What is then spends its resources on is irrelevant to that nation being socialist.
For example, the government takes over all means of production but provided absolutely NO SOCIAL SERVICES would still be SOCIALIST.
. That's what I mean about degrees of socialism.
Yes, I understood what you meant.
I will merely pointing out that you are wrong.
If he takes us more and more in the direction of nationalizing, like healthcare, or energy, financing, expanding welfare...that is more and more socialism.
Ah now there you are onto something...if he NATIONALIZES the means of production such that the government OWNS them, THEN that truly is socialism, I quite agree.
He wants this along with redistribution of wealth in America.
All TAXATION, whether or not you and I like it, or think it is a good thing, is REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH.
ATaxing for the military? Redistribution of wealth
Taxing to give the money to welfare mothers driving cadillacs? ALSO redistribution of wealth.
Governments are about the business of TAXING in order to DO SOEMTHING, and regardless of how you or I might feel about what they are doing, it is all REDISTRIBUTION of WEALTH.
This is from HIS own mouth. Then you have the full blown socialists like Nancy pelosi, and Harry Reid..that is a recipe for socialism. You may like it, but I assure you most Americans won't like it. Give him, and the House, and Senate a chance. They will move a lot closer. Perhaps, if their are some changes in the next election in 2010 that will hinder what he proposes. This stimulus bill has a lot of social overtones to it. Socialism isn't done over night, it chips away a little at a time, Edit. That's how it was done in France, and all over Europe. I assure you....I'm no socialist..don't call me one. But we do have some socialism in our country right now.
I understand your concerns, and more or less agree with some of them, too.
However, if you want you concerns to be taken seriously by people who really care just as much as you do about these issues, you have GOT to learn that words like socialism and marxism and capitalism, actually do have SPECIFIC meanings.
I do NOT balme you for not fully understanding why this is important.
The talking heads have done a marvelous job of destroying our language, and by doing so, they make it impossible to have rational discussions about what is happening.
If you object to welfare, for example, call it WELFARE...it is NOT socialism.
If you object to military spending, call it MILITARY SPENDING...it is not socialism either.