Obama asking for open ended power to go to war

[Plasmaball]

Does Obama really want war with his muslim brothers?

I doubt it...... he just want to have some fireworks over there.... then come back.

He is too weak for real war, so don't fear all of you who are afraid that he can make a proper war....

he said it ..it's a limited surgical war ...whatever that means.

Surgical war?????? yes...a Liberal war.

in other words... a joke of a war.

Um.....you are a fucking retard. Anyone with half a brain knows what a limited surgical strike is.

What do you think shock and awe was? It was surgical strikes.

Go the fuck away before you hurt yourself trying to think.

 

[Plasmaball]

Which is why we need to have a clear policy in place. If we don't, we might end up using nukes to prevent WMDs from getting out of Syria.

I cannot see that ending well.

We wont be using nukes. ..shut up

Here are a few facts for you to consider.

• The only way to destroy chemical weapons is to subject them to intense heat.
• Unless we invade Syria with a force large enough to overwhelm both sides of the civil war instantaneously it will give someone time to move the existing weapons.
• Using conventional weapons, even fuel air bombs, will not guarantee the destruction of chemical weapons.
• If we bomb chemical weapons and they are not destroyed, they will be dispersed.
• We do have weapons at our disposal that would entirely eliminate the risk of any chemical weapon from being dispersed accidentally.

Please note, I am not saying we should use them I am just pointing out the inescapable fact that we only have a few options on how to deal with their spread.



None of then are acceptable, and only two are possible. One would force Obama to support Assad, the other would force him to nuke the ME and trigger WWIII.


Which one do you think makes more sense to Obama?

He wont use nukes....end of story

 

[Synthaholic]

The U.S. can't afford to put boots on the ground there. Can't even afford a no fly zone.

Which is why we need to have a clear policy in place. If we don't, we might end up using nukes to prevent WMDs from getting out of Syria.

I cannot see that ending well.

We wont be using nukes. ..shut up

He can't shut up - he's got diarrhea of the mouth.

 

[Synthaholic]

Does Obama really want war with his muslim brothers?

I doubt it...... he just want to have some fireworks over there.... then come back.

He is too weak for real war, so don't fear all of you who are afraid that he can make a proper war....

he said it ..it's a limited surgical war ...whatever that means.

Surgical war?????? yes...a Liberal war.

in other words... a joke of a war.

Um.....you are a fucking retard. Anyone with half a brain knows what a limited surgical strike is.

What do you think shock and awe was? It was surgical strikes.

Go the fuck away before you hurt yourself trying to think.

She's a sock.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

We wont be using nukes. ..shut up

Here are a few facts for you to consider.

• The only way to destroy chemical weapons is to subject them to intense heat.
• Unless we invade Syria with a force large enough to overwhelm both sides of the civil war instantaneously it will give someone time to move the existing weapons.
• Using conventional weapons, even fuel air bombs, will not guarantee the destruction of chemical weapons.
• If we bomb chemical weapons and they are not destroyed, they will be dispersed.
• We do have weapons at our disposal that would entirely eliminate the risk of any chemical weapon from being dispersed accidentally.

Please note, I am not saying we should use them I am just pointing out the inescapable fact that we only have a few options on how to deal with their spread.



None of then are acceptable, and only two are possible. One would force Obama to support Assad, the other would force him to nuke the ME and trigger WWIII.


Which one do you think makes more sense to Obama?

He wont use nukes....end of story

Then you agree that he wants Assad in power, which is what I said. Yet, for some reason, you still want to argue with me.

 

[TooTall]

More evidence of the idiocy of the partisan right and ODS, everything the president does is ‘wrong.’

When Saddam butchered tens of thousands of Kurds with poison gas it didn't seem to bother the left then. Now all of the sudden it matters.

Who gives a flying-fuck if these people murder each other as long as it doesn't spread into other countries. It's none of our business.

Oh? I seem to remember the Right wing not giving a damn.

I seem to remember that the Democrats had a huge majority in the House and the Senate when this happened. (85 seat majority in the House and 10 seat majority in the Senate.) What did they propose to do about it?

 

[boedicca]

Now I can see why he wants to go to Congress under the guise of getting permission to strike Syria. If he gets what he wants he will be free to order an invasion if he thinks Syria is moving the weapons, or if he thinks terrorists will win and get their hands on them.

(a) Authorization. -- The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in connection with the use of chemical weapons or other weapons of mass destruction in the conflict in Syria in order to --
(1) prevent or deter the use or proliferation (including the transfer to terrorist groups or other state or non-state actors), within, to or from Syria, of any weapons of mass destruction, including chemical or biological weapons or components of or materials used in such weapons; or
(2) protect the United States and its allies and partners against the threat posed by such weapons.

Text of Obama's draft legislation - CNN.com

Tell me again how different he is from Bush.

Poor Obama.

It's so hard to Not Be King.

 

[Plasmaball]

Here are a few facts for you to consider.

• The only way to destroy chemical weapons is to subject them to intense heat.
• Unless we invade Syria with a force large enough to overwhelm both sides of the civil war instantaneously it will give someone time to move the existing weapons.
• Using conventional weapons, even fuel air bombs, will not guarantee the destruction of chemical weapons.
• If we bomb chemical weapons and they are not destroyed, they will be dispersed.
• We do have weapons at our disposal that would entirely eliminate the risk of any chemical weapon from being dispersed accidentally.

Please note, I am not saying we should use them I am just pointing out the inescapable fact that we only have a few options on how to deal with their spread.



None of then are acceptable, and only two are possible. One would force Obama to support Assad, the other would force him to nuke the ME and trigger WWIII.


Which one do you think makes more sense to Obama?

He wont use nukes....end of story

Then you agree that he wants Assad in power, which is what I said. Yet, for some reason, you still want to argue with me.

he wont use nukes.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

He wont use nukes....end of story

Then you agree that he wants Assad in power, which is what I said. Yet, for some reason, you still want to argue with me.

he wont use nukes.

Why not? Is it because he is the most honest and truthful man who was ever elected president? Can you show me where he said he wouldn't do it, even if it was the only way to prevent chemical weapons from being deployed in the US?

 

[gallantwarrior]

More evidence of the idiocy of the partisan right and ODS, everything the president does is ‘wrong.’

When Saddam butchered tens of thousands of Kurds with poison gas it didn't seem to bother the left then. Now all of the sudden it matters.

Who gives a flying-fuck if these people murder each other as long as it doesn't spread into other countries. It's none of our business.

Oh? I seem to remember the Right wing not giving a damn.

Means we shouldn't give a damn now...right?

 

[Clementine]

I've been saying that Obama was just another Bush for years now, and Righties have been telling me that he's a radical Muslim Socialist.

Which is it? Or was Bush a radical Muslim Socialist too?

You forgot Kenyan.

You do know where the Kenyan stuff started, don't you? First, it was Hillary. Then it was Obama's own grandmother who claimed she was present at his birth in Kenya.

Then there was the write up about young Obama where his editor stated he was a Kenyan student. In all those years, that supposed typo was never corrected. Fishy.

Then there was the newspaper write up about Obama running for Illinois senate. One would guess they interviewed Obama. They stated he was from Kenya.

So, seems it was mostly Obama that gave the impression he was from Kenya. Maybe scamming the system by getting financial aid as a foreign student?

Whatever the case, just how many stories do we accept? And, of course, it's ALWAYS the fault of someone other than Obama.

 

[Plasmaball]

Then you agree that he wants Assad in power, which is what I said. Yet, for some reason, you still want to argue with me.

he wont use nukes.

Why not? Is it because he is the most honest and truthful man who was ever elected president? Can you show me where he said he wouldn't do it, even if it was the only way to prevent chemical weapons from being deployed in the US?

Hes not going to use nukes

 

[Synthaholic]

When Saddam butchered tens of thousands of Kurds with poison gas it didn't seem to bother the left then. Now all of the sudden it matters.

Who gives a flying-fuck if these people murder each other as long as it doesn't spread into other countries. It's none of our business.

Oh? I seem to remember the Right wing not giving a damn.

I seem to remember that the Democrats had a huge majority in the House and the Senate when this happened. (85 seat majority in the House and 10 seat majority in the Senate.) What did they propose to do about it?

Oh, now this is interesting. Congress is supposed to lead on international issues?

Then why aren't the House Republicans leading on this?

 

[gallantwarrior]

Now I can see why he wants to go to Congress under the guise of getting permission to strike Syria. If he gets what he wants he will be free to order an invasion if he thinks Syria is moving the weapons, or if he thinks terrorists will win and get their hands on them.

(a) Authorization. -- The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in connection with the use of chemical weapons or other weapons of mass destruction in the conflict in Syria in order to --
(1) prevent or deter the use or proliferation (including the transfer to terrorist groups or other state or non-state actors), within, to or from Syria, of any weapons of mass destruction, including chemical or biological weapons or components of or materials used in such weapons; or
(2) protect the United States and its allies and partners against the threat posed by such weapons.

Text of Obama's draft legislation - CNN.com

Tell me again how different he is from Bush.

More evidence of the idiocy of the partisan right and ODS, everything the president does is ‘wrong.’

Did you think it was wrong for Bush to put us into Iraq?

 

[Synthaholic]

Charlie Pierce is always good:


We Will Defeat Them With Our Adjectives

By Charles P. Pierce
at 4:15PM


The terms of art started flying thick and fast when Senator Bob Corker wanted to know why the limited, surgical war that the president wants to conduct in Syria won't do enough to support the "Vetted Opposition." And meanwhile, General Martin Dempsey declined to talk in open session about what we're going to be doing with the "Moderate Opposition." (I'm old enough to remember both The Vested Opposition and the Loyal Opposition.) This is the way we're going to launder the fact that there really is no good option for us going forward within the context of the ongoing civil war. (This is why the administration's representatives had to tap-dance so vigorously about regime change while denying that there will be no ground invasion.) So expect to hear about the Vetted Moderate Opposition as things go along.




We Will Defeat Them With Our Adjectives - Esquire

 

[Quantum Windbag]

he wont use nukes.

Why not? Is it because he is the most honest and truthful man who was ever elected president? Can you show me where he said he wouldn't do it, even if it was the only way to prevent chemical weapons from being deployed in the US?

Hes not going to use nukes

I see now, you believe it without any evidence because you would hate to have voted for a man who would use them.

 

[Plasmaball]

Why not? Is it because he is the most honest and truthful man who was ever elected president? Can you show me where he said he wouldn't do it, even if it was the only way to prevent chemical weapons from being deployed in the US?

Hes not going to use nukes

I see now, you believe it without any evidence because you would hate to have voted for a man who would use them.

he's not going to use nukes.

 

[Circe]

Does Obama really want war with his muslim brothers?

I doubt it...... he just want to have some fireworks over there.... then come back.

He is too weak for real war, so don't fear all of you who are afraid that he can make a proper war....

he said it ..it's a limited surgical war ...whatever that means.

Surgical war?????? yes...a Liberal war.

in other words... a joke of a war.

Um.....you are a fucking retard. Anyone with half a brain knows what a limited surgical strike is.

What do you think shock and awe was? It was surgical strikes.

Go the fuck away before you hurt yourself trying to think.

So the White House tells you it "will" be a "surgical strike" and you just, what, ---- believe them???!!

No problem, they say it, you believe it??

I bet you believed in George Bush's WMD, too.

This is a crisis they can exploit to clean up Iran and their nukes. Magically, an explosion will be said to have happened in the Mediterranean or the Gulf --- oh, noes! Looks like Iran shot up one of our ships!!

And I bet you will believe every word of that, right away, just because he said it.

Well, Obama is black, so that means he can have any war he wants, evidently. I guess you think it would be prejudiced not to let him have any size war he wants, no questions asked.

 

[dilloduck]

Hes not going to use nukes

I see now, you believe it without any evidence because you would hate to have voted for a man who would use them.

he's not going to use nukes.

oh good---that makes all the killing legal, right ?

 

[Circe]

It is true that Obama cannot use nukes.

Second, that is. We cannot be the second power in the world to use nukes. You all see why, right?

Third would work fine, though.