Obama vs. Nixon - who is the bigger crook?

[jknowgood]

Nixon didn't throw the whole country under the bus for personal gain.

Nixon was a sociopath responsible for the deaths of millions.

He was a true villain.

Lol, your so full of crap you don't realize how stupid you look. You will defend obama till the end! Lol, you are what a uniformed voter sounds like.

 

[Sallow]

That would be interesting, but any attempt would be amusing, to say the least.

What attempt?

What part of the Vietnam war did you miss?

Oh yeah..the Nixon part.

Nixon was bringing troops out in early 1972 as a result of the Nixon Doctrine and the war ended in 1973 under Nixon. Perhaps you are thinking of another president.

Nixon expanded the war after he was elected.

He got so nutty with it..that Kissinger, of all people had to set him straight.

Nixon White House Considered Nuclear Options Against North Vietnam



He secretly bombed Laos and Cambodia, and helped to overthrow Prince Sihanouk's government. That gave rise to the Khmer Rouge.

Cambodia: The Coup excerpted from the book The Price of Power Kissinger in the Nixon White House

 

[Redfish]

What attempt?

What part of the Vietnam war did you miss?

Oh yeah..the Nixon part.

Nixon was bringing troops out in early 1972 as a result of the Nixon Doctrine and the war ended in 1973 under Nixon. Perhaps you are thinking of another president.

Nixon expanded the war after he was elected.

He got so nutty with it..that Kissinger, of all people had to set him straight.

Nixon White House Considered Nuclear Options Against North Vietnam



He secretly bombed Laos and Cambodia, and helped to overthrow Prince Sihanouk's government. That gave rise to the Khmer Rouge.

Cambodia: The Coup excerpted from the book The Price of Power Kissinger in the Nixon White House

the whole southeast asia thing is a sad chapter in our history, 58,000 dead americans and billions of dollars for NOTHING.

and the fact is that Kennedy and Johnson got us into it and Nixon ended it. Posting biased articles does not change those facts.

whats really sad is that we do not seem to have learned anything from it.

 

[rightwinger]

Clinton was impeached, Nixon was not.

He sure was

And Republicans still haven't learned their lesson

Do they ever ? Repeating the same 50 year old bullshit , no they never will .

Balanced budget !!! fucking joke

Family values !!fucking joke

Using religion as a shield !!! Fucking joke

No they are the same lying hypocritical pos party they have always been

Cutting taxes for deficit reduction

 

[Sallow]

Nixon was bringing troops out in early 1972 as a result of the Nixon Doctrine and the war ended in 1973 under Nixon. Perhaps you are thinking of another president.

Nixon expanded the war after he was elected.

He got so nutty with it..that Kissinger, of all people had to set him straight.

Nixon White House Considered Nuclear Options Against North Vietnam



He secretly bombed Laos and Cambodia, and helped to overthrow Prince Sihanouk's government. That gave rise to the Khmer Rouge.

Cambodia: The Coup excerpted from the book The Price of Power Kissinger in the Nixon White House

the whole southeast asia thing is a sad chapter in our history, 58,000 dead americans and billions of dollars for NOTHING.

and the fact is that Kennedy and Johnson got us into it and Nixon ended it. Posting biased articles does not change those facts.

whats really sad is that we do not seem to have learned anything from it.

I hold that Johnson was one of the worst American Presidents specifically because of Vietnam.

Johnson, however, wasn't a sociopath. It killed him when he found out how wrong he was.

Nixon? Yeah..pretty much he was a sociopath..

 

[Kosh]

Obama is far worse than Nixon, but the far left Obama drones will argue otherwise due to the limits of their programming.

 

[Redfish]

He sure was

And Republicans still haven't learned their lesson

Do they ever ? Repeating the same 50 year old bullshit , no they never will .

Balanced budget !!! fucking joke

Family values !!fucking joke

Using religion as a shield !!! Fucking joke

No they are the same lying hypocritical pos party they have always been

Cutting taxes for deficit reduction

Hmmm., dems------raising taxes and increasing the debt.

 

[Katzndogz]

Do democrats think that Carter ended the war, or Ford?

 

[Redfish]

Obama is far worse than Nixon, but the far left Obama drones will argue otherwise due to the limits of their programming.

they will never admit to themselves that the first black president was a total failure.

they will never admit to themselves that they chose the wrong guy to make history.

they will make the same mistake if they run Hillary to be the first female president.

 

[Redfish]

Do democrats think that Carter ended the war, or Ford?

Obama-----of course.

 

[whitehall]

Obama supporters are hysterical about the slightest criticism of Hussein in the media but the entire freaking media was against Nixon. Democrats rally around Hussein but republicans (as usual?) abandoned Nixon. What administration would tolerate a soap opera of unverified information screaming in the papers from an unidentified informant alleged to be in the administration? How could Americans allow the alleged informant's identity to remain secret for forty years until he was dead and could not verify the information? Hatred and hysteria will do that to a society. One member of the "investigative" team was the son of card carrying communists and was brought up with a hatred for Nixon who was a US attorney prosecuting communists. Only a completely biased hysterical media would keep that little tidbit a secret. There was no fair and balance concept in the media at the time. There was only Cronkite and his clones and liberal slants on every story. Bill Clinton's abuse of women and Obama's use of drone planes to execute American citizens without due cause are a hundred times worse than the "black bag" tricks common in the government that the media pretended to be outraged about.

 

[Meathead]

Nixon was bringing troops out in early 1972 as a result of the Nixon Doctrine and the war ended in 1973 under Nixon. Perhaps you are thinking of another president.

Nixon expanded the war after he was elected.

He got so nutty with it..that Kissinger, of all people had to set him straight.

Nixon White House Considered Nuclear Options Against North Vietnam



He secretly bombed Laos and Cambodia, and helped to overthrow Prince Sihanouk's government. That gave rise to the Khmer Rouge.

Cambodia: The Coup excerpted from the book The Price of Power Kissinger in the Nixon White House

the whole southeast asia thing is a sad chapter in our history, 58,000 dead americans and billions of dollars for NOTHING.

and the fact is that Kennedy and Johnson got us into it and Nixon ended it. Posting biased articles does not change those facts.

whats really sad is that we do not seem to have learned anything from it.

Swallow's hare-brained antics are usually amusing, but you're right - because of the topic this one is sad.

 

[Freewill]

What attempt?

What part of the Vietnam war did you miss?

Oh yeah..the Nixon part.

Nixon was bringing troops out in early 1972 as a result of the Nixon Doctrine and the war ended in 1973 under Nixon. Perhaps you are thinking of another president.

Nixon expanded the war after he was elected.

He got so nutty with it..that Kissinger, of all people had to set him straight.

Nixon White House Considered Nuclear Options Against North Vietnam



He secretly bombed Laos and Cambodia, and helped to overthrow Prince Sihanouk's government. That gave rise to the Khmer Rouge.

Cambodia: The Coup excerpted from the book The Price of Power Kissinger in the Nixon White House

The truth is that Nixon inherited a war that could not be won unless some really drastic action was taken. He tried that with Operation Linebacker. Sure nuclear weapons could have been considered they are after all in our arsenal. But the fact is they were not seriously considered but might have "won" the war. The sad part is that the North was willing to negotiate a treaty after they got their asses handed to them after the TET offensive. Operation Linebacker was also bringing them to the table. But unfortunately for the US we had people like Walter Cronkite who, without blinking, lied. He lied about the TET offensive he lied about the war.

How Walter Cronkite Helped Lose the Vietnam War 44 Years Ago

Forty-four years ago, on Feb 27, 1968, Walter Cronkite, once called the most trusted man in America, ended his half-hour broadcast on the "CBS Evening News" with the observation the Vietnam War was in stalemate and negotiations offered the only way out. This was not reporting news but offering an opinion, one that later turned out to be, while wide of reality, self fulfilling.

The story sets up a legend that upon hearing Cronkite opine, then President Lyndon Johnson concluded that if he had lost Cronkite he had lost the country and thus the war. But W. Joseph Campbell, author of "Getting it Wrong," suggests this part of the story is more legend than reality.

Whether Cronkite's observation eventually affected American policy in Vietnam or not, it was one of the first overt cases of liberal bias in TV media. And despite the initial shock of the Tet Offensive, which led to Cronkite concluding that victory in Vietnam was impossible, the most trusted man in America got it wrong.

Years after the Tet Offensive, shortly after the Vietnam War was over, Washington Post reporter Peter Braestrup published a two-volume work called "The Big Story" that suggested media reporting on the Tet Offensive was overly negative and contributed to a psychological defeat of American policy makers and the American public. Col. Harry Summers, who wrote a 2001 review of the book, calls it the best book on Tet and the media's treatment of it.

Steven Hayward reports the Viet Cong and the North Vietnamese suffered massive losses as a result of Tet. But Cronkite and the media firestorm that followed, as well as the burgeoning costs of the war, precluded any strategy of capitalizing on what was a clear communist defeat. Tet might well have been a military victory for America and her allies, but partly thanks to Cronkite and the liberal media, it proved to be a psychological defeat.

 

[Redfish]

Nixon expanded the war after he was elected.

He got so nutty with it..that Kissinger, of all people had to set him straight.

Nixon White House Considered Nuclear Options Against North Vietnam



He secretly bombed Laos and Cambodia, and helped to overthrow Prince Sihanouk's government. That gave rise to the Khmer Rouge.

Cambodia: The Coup excerpted from the book The Price of Power Kissinger in the Nixon White House

the whole southeast asia thing is a sad chapter in our history, 58,000 dead americans and billions of dollars for NOTHING.

and the fact is that Kennedy and Johnson got us into it and Nixon ended it. Posting biased articles does not change those facts.

whats really sad is that we do not seem to have learned anything from it.

I hold that Johnson was one of the worst American Presidents specifically because of Vietnam.

Johnson, however, wasn't a sociopath. It killed him when he found out how wrong he was.

Nixon? Yeah..pretty much he was a sociopath..

Wow, we agree on something. will wonders never cease?

Johnson was probably the most corrupt president in recent times. Kennedy could have been great if he had lived. He was not a liberal, he cut taxes, got us to the moon, but also started the Viet Nam fiasco, and could not keep his zipper closed.

 

[plant]

Obama is far worse than Nixon, but the far left Obama drones will argue otherwise due to the limits of their programming.

they will never admit to themselves that the first black president was a total failure.

they will never admit to themselves that they chose the wrong guy to make history.

they will make the same mistake if they run Hillary to be the first female president.

Obama will be judged by his actions ,not what faux so called news or what teatards say .

Obama is making history everyday he is in the Oval Office , so deal with it !!

Hillary will win !!!! To use the repukes terms are SCARED

 

[plant]

Agree 100 %^

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

As usual, the right wing shitheads who dominate this message board need a history lesson.

Obama has committed no crimes.

Here's the list of just some of the domestic "White House Horrors" that occurred under the Nixon administration.

The White House Horrors is a term attributed to Richard Nixon's former United States Attorney General, John N. Mitchell to describe the crimes and abuses committed by Nixon's staff during his presidency.[1][2] The revelation of their existence and scope is among the many events of the Watergate scandal. More than 70 people were convicted of crimes related to Watergate (some pleaded guilty before trial).

Here is a listing of much of the criminality involved:

Breaking into Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office.
Mitchell gave approval to the break-in at the Watergate.
Charles Colson proposed firebombing the Brookings Institution.
E. Howard Hunt fabricated documents implicating John Kennedy in the assassination of South Vietnamese President Diem.
John Ehrlichman ordered FBI Director L. Patrick Gray to take possession of the files in Hunt's safe, keeping them secret from prosecutors.
Gray destroyed the evidence from Hunt's safe.
Watergate investigator Henry E. Petersen gave John Dean secret grand jury testimony.
Gray at the FBI gave Dean access to all FBI investigation files.
Creation of the White House Plumbers to plug leaks through the use of illegal wiretaps.
Operation Sandwedge: The Jack Caulfield operation designed to orchestrate a massive campaign to spy on the Democrats.
Ehrlichman claimed he did not know in advance about the Ellsberg break-in; he knew.
Gemstone: The Liddy operation to kidnap students who might disrupt the Republican convention in 1972; use prostitutes to compromise Democratic politicians. Attorney General Mitchell objected to the plan on the grounds it cost too much; he later approved a scaled-down plan. Mitchell, Haldeman and Jeb Magruder approved of Gemstone.
Hush money paid to Watergate break-in defendants.
Nixon promised clemency to Watergate criminals.
Caulfield sent to Chappaquiddick Island to pose as a reporter to dig up dirt on Edward M. "Ted" Kennedy before all the leaks.
Nixon is heard on the tapes telling Ehrlichman in April 1973 that he should hint to Dean to stay on the reservation because in the end the only man who can grant Dean clemency and save his ability to practice law is the president.
Charles Colson was guilty of offering clemency to Hunt at Nixon's orders.
Nixon told Petersen to stay out of the Ellsberg psychiatrist's break-in on the grounds that an investigation would compromise national security.
Nixon proposed to Alexander Haig and Fred Buzhardt that they manufacture evidence—a missing dictabelt tape—wanted by Judge John Sirica; both refused.
Nixon ordered the IRS to audit the tax returns of Larry O'Brien, head of the Democratic National Committee.
Nixon ordered the IRS to stop an investigation of Howard Hughes.
Huston Plan: In June 1970 Tom Huston persuaded the heads of the CIA, DIA, and NSA to approve a plan for black bag jobs against "enemies" of the Nixon administration. (J. Edgar Hoover opposed the Huston Plan; Nixon, fearful Hoover would blackmail him by leaking word of the plan, dropped it.)
References[edit]1.Jump up ^ The Watergate hearings: break-in and cover-up; proceedings. New York: Viking Press. 1973. p. 378. ISBN 0-670-75152-9. OCLC 865966.
2.Jump up ^ Dean, John Aurie (1976). Blind ambition: the White House years. New York: Simon and Schuster. p. 123. ISBN 0-671-22438-7. OCLC 2373288.

 

[Sallow]

Obama is far worse than Nixon, but the far left Obama drones will argue otherwise due to the limits of their programming.

they will never admit to themselves that the first black president was a total failure.

they will never admit to themselves that they chose the wrong guy to make history.

they will make the same mistake if they run Hillary to be the first female president.

Clinton wasn't a total failure.

Quite the contrary..he was pretty successful.

 

[Sallow]

Obama is far worse than Nixon, but the far left Obama drones will argue otherwise due to the limits of their programming.

they will never admit to themselves that the first black president was a total failure.

they will never admit to themselves that they chose the wrong guy to make history.

they will make the same mistake if they run Hillary to be the first female president.

Obama will be judged by his actions ,not what faux so called news or what teatards say .

Obama is making history everyday he is in the Oval Office , so deal with it !!

Hillary will win !!!! To use the repukes terms are SCARED

They are pretty much resigned to it.

Which is why they are trying to chip away at Presidential power.

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

And he was going to be impeached for Obstruction of Justice.

The History Place - Impeachment: Richard Nixon