Obama Warns GOP About Blocking Gun Bill

[rightwinger]

Well yeah, you do have whining rights. We have to give you something.

Since it's plainly unconstitutional, it shouldn't come up for a vote.

From Wikipedia:


A filibuster in the United States Senate usually refers to any dilatory or obstructive tactics used to prevent a measure from being brought to a vote. The most common form of filibuster occurs when a senator attempts to delay or entirely prevent a vote on a bill by extending the debate on the measure, but other dilatory tactics exist. The rules permit a senator, or a series of senators, to speak for as long as they wish and on any topic they choose, unless "three-fifths of the Senators duly chosen and sworn"[1] (usually 60 out of 100 senators) brings debate to a close by invoking cloture under Senate Rule XXII.

According to the Supreme Court ruling in United States v. Ballin (1892), changes to Senate rules could be achieved by a simple majority. Nevertheless, under current Senate rules, a rule change itself could be filibustered, with two-thirds of those senators present and voting (as opposed to the normal three-fifths of those sworn) needing to vote to end debate.[1] Despite this written requirement, the possibility exists that the Senate's presiding officer could on motion declare a Senate rule unconstitutional, which decision can be upheld by a simple majority vote of the Senate.

How can it be plainly unconstitutional when we have already had an assault weapon ban?

And Reid is a fucking pussy for not voting to change the filibuster rules

Because that was unconstitutional, too.
Must everything be explained to you?

Please provide the court case where it was declared unconstitutional

 

[Darkwind]

Why not vote on it and see where everyone stands?

There are 43 Republican passed bills in the Senate.

Why not vote on them and see where everyone stands.

 

[Spoonman]

Criminals and crazy people do not have a right to own guns

We already have laws against both of those. Keeping law-abiding sane people from having guns doesn't do anything to prevent criminals and crazy people from getting them.

Very true.

That is why we need improvements in our background checks and reporting of those who have mental issues

and its why we also need to include removing restrictions on what people can own who clear the background checks

 

[M14 Shooter]

"If there's even one thing we can do to prevent a father from having to bury his child, isn't that worth fighting for?" Obama asked.

What The Obama -won't- say is that He knows that none of the things He wants will prevent any such thing.

He believes that the state should have a monopoly on force and recognizes that an armed citizenry gets in the way of this.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Must everything be explained to you?

It is impossible to explain anything to the willfully ignorant.

 

[M14 Shooter]

It is the military type weapons that are used in most of these atrocities.

They are also the class of weapons least used in crime, especially murder.

Weapons that have no place in the hands of civilians without said civilians having pasted some stringent background checks.

Your unsupportable and unsubstantiated opinion is duly ignored.

 

[Redfish]

Criminals and crazy people do not have a right to own guns

We already have laws against both of those. Keeping law-abiding sane people from having guns doesn't do anything to prevent criminals and crazy people from getting them.

Very true.

That is why we need improvements in our background checks and reporting of those who have mental issues

the guys that would fail background checks will never try to buy a gun legally, this is foolishness fostered by ignorance.

 

[rightwinger]

We already have laws against both of those. Keeping law-abiding sane people from having guns doesn't do anything to prevent criminals and crazy people from getting them.

Very true.

That is why we need improvements in our background checks and reporting of those who have mental issues

the guys that would fail background checks will never try to buy a gun legally, this is foolishness fostered by ignorance.

Gerald Laughner? Adam Lanz? Seung-Hui Cho?

Where were they going to get their weapons?

Just because you can't make it impossible for criminals to buy weapons doesn't mean you should make it easy

 

[OriginalShroom]

Obama's first law of gun control legislation: When you have the facts on your side, argue the facts. When you have the law on your side, argue the law. When you have neither, stage a shooting at an elementary school.

What an asshole statement from a real asshole.

What's the matter? Does the truth hurt?

 

[OriginalShroom]

Looks like we need tougher requirements doesn't it?

Anybody who met Cho said he is batshit crazy......Same with Laughner.....Same with Lanza

Why do we allow them to walk into any gun shop and buy guns?

What would you propose? I think you're batshit crazy. You shouldn't own a gun. Or a car. Or a sharp object. Or a computer.

Background checks

I propose that mental health providers be required to share more information about potentially dangerous patients. If you are on an anti-psychotic drug you should be restricted from purchasing weapons so that you do not hurt yourself or other people

We ban people from driving who are on certain drugs....why not ban them from buying guns?

I would love to see the laws that you say that has the State pulling the driver's licenses of people on prescribed medications. Please provide supporting evidence for this claim of yours.

 

[OriginalShroom]

Lets take it further....

Forget about the homicidal maniacs buying guns. Lets look at suicide

Guns are the weapon of choice for those comitting suicide. People with severe depression who are on medication should not be out buying guns

You do realize that certain medications can cause temporary depression, aren't you? Or don't you ever listen to the required side effect warnings that are read or printed with ads for medications?

 

[OriginalShroom]

Background checks

I propose that mental health providers be required to share more information about potentially dangerous patients. If you are on an anti-psychotic drug you should be restricted from purchasing weapons so that you do not hurt yourself or other people

We ban people from driving who are on certain drugs....why not ban them from buying guns?

And then we'll have less people taking antipsychotics who really need them . Great plan.

Your doctor should be reporting you whether you are taking the drug or not

So much for Doctor/Patient confidentiality right?

 

[OriginalShroom]

Lets take it further....

Forget about the homicidal maniacs buying guns. Lets look at suicide

Guns are the weapon of choice for those comitting suicide. People with severe depression who are on medication should not be out buying guns

And then will have less people taking drugs for depression who need them You don't seem to think of cause and effect. All you seem to be concerned with is liberal good intentions.

We already pull their drivers license.....why not their guns?

Once again, please provide supporting evidence for this claim.

 

[rightwinger]

Lets take it further....

Forget about the homicidal maniacs buying guns. Lets look at suicide

Guns are the weapon of choice for those comitting suicide. People with severe depression who are on medication should not be out buying guns

You do realize that certain medications can cause temporary depression, aren't you? Or don't you ever listen to the required side effect warnings that are read or printed with ads for medications?

They should be worried about having guns at the ready. Someone taking those meds should voluntarilly turn their guns over to someone they trust.
However, those with serious clinical depression should not be allowed to buy guns

 

[M14 Shooter]

And then we'll have less people taking antipsychotics who really need them . Great plan.

Your doctor should be reporting you whether you are taking the drug or not

So much for Doctor/Patient confidentiality right?

The State has a Right to Know.

 

[Rocko]

Your doctor should be reporting you whether you are taking the drug or not

So much for Doctor/Patient confidentiality right?

The State has a Right to Know.

The State has a right to know what?

 

[rightwinger]

And then we'll have less people taking antipsychotics who really need them . Great plan.

Your doctor should be reporting you whether you are taking the drug or not

So much for Doctor/Patient confidentiality right?

When that patient is a danger to himself and others? Yup

 

[Sallow]

USMB has officially been overrun.

Remind us again how Obama's gun law is every bit as awesome as Hitlers

Obama's taking guns away from Jews and Gypsies?

Since when?

 

[Rocko]

Your doctor should be reporting you whether you are taking the drug or not

So much for Doctor/Patient confidentiality right?

When that patient is a danger to himself and others? Yup

The main problem with mentally ill people going on killing sprees is not guns, it's the fact that mentally ill people aren't getting adequate treatment, and what you're suggesting makes it more difficult for doctors to treat patients.

 

[The Rabbi]

Very true.

That is why we need improvements in our background checks and reporting of those who have mental issues

the guys that would fail background checks will never try to buy a gun legally, this is foolishness fostered by ignorance.

Gerald Laughner? Adam Lanz? Seung-Hui Cho?

Where were they going to get their weapons?

Just because you can't make it impossible for criminals to buy weapons doesn't mean you should make it easy

Loughner was not prohibited, nor was Cho. Lanza may not have been either. Where was he going to get a gun? Hmm, maybe shooting his mother and taking hers? Nah.