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All the rankings debunked already
Perhaps if everyone counted the same things, used the same standards for reporting etc.. it MIGHT be taken seriously.. but they are not and thus they are a joke
The purpose for all this 'ranking' bullshit being splattercast is to call for government healthcare where the entitlement junkie crowd can have someone else pay for their 'care'
Dave is lying, no one debunked anything
Stossel debunked the WHO rankings.. the CDC and doctors debunked the infant mortality ratings....
YOU are indeed the liar.... ain't it time for you to create yet another troll thread to go to the rubber room or badlands??
One hospital charges $8,000 ? another, $38,000
For the first time, the federal government will release the prices that hospitals charge for the 100 most common inpatient procedures. Until now, these charges have been closely held by facilities that see a competitive advantage in shielding their fees from competitors. What the numbers reveal is a health-care system with tremendous, seemingly random variation in the costs of services.
In the District, George Washington University’s average bill for a patient on a ventilator was $115,000, while Providence Hospital’s average charge for the same service was just under $53,000. For a lower joint replacement, George Washington University charged almost $69,000 compared with Sibley Memorial Hospital’s average of just under $30,000.
Virginia’s highest average rate for a lower limb replacement was at CJW Medical Center in Richmond, more than $117,000, compared with Winchester Medical Center charging $25,600 per procedure. CJW charged more than $38,000 for esophagitis and gastrointestinal conditions, while Carilion Tazewell Community Hospital averaged $8,100 in those cases.
Maryland has a unique system for hospital rate charges, so differences were smaller, and its average rate was lower than that of any other state in the most common procedures reviewed by The Washington Post. The highest average charge for a lower joint replacement was $36,000 by University of Maryland Medical Center in Baltimore, much lower than the highest rates in other states.
The Free Market system for Healthcare is all screwed up. Since they never tell how much a procedure is or will be and most don't shop around because when you're sick you don't exactly have the time to do so..that creates this situation
Experts attribute the disparities to a health system that can set prices with impunity because consumers rarely see them — and rarely shop for discounts. Although the government has collected this information for years, it was housed in a bulky database that researchers had to pay to access.
The hospital charges being released Wednesday — all from 2011 — show the hospitals’ average list prices. Adding another layer of opacity, Medicare and private insurance companies typically negotiate lower charges with hospitals. But the data shed light on fees that the uninsured could pay.
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“It’s true that Medicare and a lot of private insurers never pay the full charge,” said Renee Hsia, an assistant professor at the University of California at San Francisco Medical School whose research focuses on price variation. “But you have a lot of private insurance companies where the consumer pays a portion of the charge. For uninsured patients, they face the full bill. In that sense, the price matters.”
Lifestyle is the biggest problem with healthcare in America. Michelle Obama, for all her flaws, at least has that one right. We've spent more treating diabetes than has been spent on all the wars in American history. 90 percent of diabetes is type 2 which typically can be managed or prevented by exercise and diet. Not too mention the number one killer in America is heart disease, once again prevented by diet and exercise.
The right even fights Michelle on taking care of yourself. They always chant do for yourself until Michelle Obama says it then they scream "Mind your business!"
Lifestyle is the biggest problem with healthcare in America. Michelle Obama, for all her flaws, at least has that one right. We've spent more treating diabetes than has been spent on all the wars in American history. 90 percent of diabetes is type 2 which typically can be managed or prevented by exercise and diet. Not too mention the number one killer in America is heart disease, once again prevented by diet and exercise.
The right even fights Michelle on taking care of yourself. They always chant do for yourself until Michelle Obama says it then they scream "Mind your business!"
Well I am "the right" and I'm not so you shouldn't point with such a broad brush. Some on the right do feel shes forcing things on them and even moving to ban things. That's not a good thing either. Anything is okay in moderation. The key is encouraging personal responsibility which is lost and instilled over the course of generations. Not just with one issue or over a few years.
One hospital charges $8,000 ? another, $38,000
The Free Market system for Healthcare is all screwed up. Since they never tell how much a procedure is or will be and most don't shop around because when you're sick you don't exactly have the time to do so..that creates this situationFor the first time, the federal government will release the prices that hospitals charge for the 100 most common inpatient procedures. Until now, these charges have been closely held by facilities that see a competitive advantage in shielding their fees from competitors. What the numbers reveal is a health-care system with tremendous, seemingly random variation in the costs of services.
In the District, George Washington Universitys average bill for a patient on a ventilator was $115,000, while Providence Hospitals average charge for the same service was just under $53,000. For a lower joint replacement, George Washington University charged almost $69,000 compared with Sibley Memorial Hospitals average of just under $30,000.
Virginias highest average rate for a lower limb replacement was at CJW Medical Center in Richmond, more than $117,000, compared with Winchester Medical Center charging $25,600 per procedure. CJW charged more than $38,000 for esophagitis and gastrointestinal conditions, while Carilion Tazewell Community Hospital averaged $8,100 in those cases.
Maryland has a unique system for hospital rate charges, so differences were smaller, and its average rate was lower than that of any other state in the most common procedures reviewed by The Washington Post. The highest average charge for a lower joint replacement was $36,000 by University of Maryland Medical Center in Baltimore, much lower than the highest rates in other states.
Clip*Experts attribute the disparities to a health system that can set prices with impunity because consumers rarely see them and rarely shop for discounts. Although the government has collected this information for years, it was housed in a bulky database that researchers had to pay to access.
The hospital charges being released Wednesday all from 2011 show the hospitals average list prices. Adding another layer of opacity, Medicare and private insurance companies typically negotiate lower charges with hospitals. But the data shed light on fees that the uninsured could pay.
Its true that Medicare and a lot of private insurers never pay the full charge, said Renee Hsia, an assistant professor at the University of California at San Francisco Medical School whose research focuses on price variation. But you have a lot of private insurance companies where the consumer pays a portion of the charge. For uninsured patients, they face the full bill. In that sense, the price matters.
If Americans ate right and exercised we'd shoot up to number 1 in health care without question and costs would go down.
Walmart charges $4 for a tshirt.. Pimpercrombe and Bitch charges $45... What gives??
But leave it to a commie troll to want everything to be the same
There are a bunch of nations with Health Care Systems that take care of all of their citizens, and do so at about one half the cost of the system we have at present. And their outcomes, infant mortality and longevity are much better than ours. Seems to me we should be looking at how they achieve that outcome. Instead, this is our attitude;
"We're Number 37" - Paul Hipp - YouTube
All the rankings debunked already
Perhaps if everyone counted the same things, used the same standards for reporting etc.. it MIGHT be taken seriously.. but they are not and thus they are a joke
The purpose for all this 'ranking' bullshit being splattercast is to call for government healthcare where the entitlement junkie crowd can have someone else pay for their 'care'
Walmart charges $4 for a tshirt.. Pimpercrombe and Bitch charges $45... What gives??
But leave it to a commie troll to want everything to be the same
Lifestyle is the biggest problem with healthcare in America. Michelle Obama, for all her flaws, at least has that one right. We've spent more treating diabetes than has been spent on all the wars in American history. 90 percent of diabetes is type 2 which typically can be managed or prevented by exercise and diet. Not too mention the number one killer in America is heart disease, once again prevented by diet and exercise.
Walmart charges $4 for a tshirt.. Pimpercrombe and Bitch charges $45... What gives??
But leave it to a commie troll to want everything to be the same
Does Wal Mart wait till after you've taken the shirt home for a couple of weeks before they tell you what the price is? If you ask a Wal Mart employee how much something is, do they throw up their arms and say "Gee whiz, I dunno, I can't really find that out." ?
I find it ironic that while Michelle worries so much about school lunches, nothing is ever said about physical activity levels for our kids in school.
First Lady Michelle Obama was in Chicago today, to announce a new collaboration designed to bring physical activity back to American schools.
Walmart charges $4 for a tshirt.. Pimpercrombe and Bitch charges $45... What gives??
But leave it to a commie troll to want everything to be the same
Does Wal Mart wait till after you've taken the shirt home for a couple of weeks before they tell you what the price is? If you ask a Wal Mart employee how much something is, do they throw up their arms and say "Gee whiz, I dunno, I can't really find that out." ?
Funny.. I have seen the bill each and every time I, or my children have ever had a stay in the hospital...
But that still takes nothing away from the fact that things of differing quality cost different prices.. and there is a difference in the location too (hence why things cost more in NYC than in Bald Knob Arkansas)... but don't let that little fact get in your way.. just ignore it like you typically do
Lifestyle is the biggest problem with healthcare in America. Michelle Obama, for all her flaws, at least has that one right. We've spent more treating diabetes than has been spent on all the wars in American history. 90 percent of diabetes is type 2 which typically can be managed or prevented by exercise and diet. Not too mention the number one killer in America is heart disease, once again prevented by diet and exercise.
We need healthcare like those lucky cuban communists get..........
Cuban and "american" comrades agree
Walmart charges $4 for a tshirt.. Pimpercrombe and Bitch charges $45... What gives??
But leave it to a commie troll to want everything to be the same
Does Wal Mart wait till after you've taken the shirt home for a couple of weeks before they tell you what the price is? If you ask a Wal Mart employee how much something is, do they throw up their arms and say "Gee whiz, I dunno, I can't really find that out." ?
Funny.. I have seen the bill each and every time I, or my children have ever had a stay in the hospital...
But that still takes nothing away from the fact that things of differing quality cost different prices.. and there is a difference in the location too (hence why things cost more in NYC than in Bald Knob Arkansas)... but don't let that little fact get in your way.. just ignore it like you typically do
