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I want to better health care that doesn't cost a arm @ leg. If it doesn't do that = fail.
I agree, but that is what we need for ALL Americans.
I want to better health care that doesn't cost a arm @ leg. If it doesn't do that = fail.
I agree, but that is what we need for ALL Americans.
Wait, what? Matt said it needed to lower costs for people yet obiecare pretty much makes the cost sky rocket. And you follow that up with it's what ALL Americans need? And I'm sure by all you purposely meant that all wouldn't include congress, special unions, certain friends of obie and anyone else that can possibly wiggle themselves out of this disaster. Is that the ALL you mean?
I agree, but that is what we need for ALL Americans.
So you love the Idea of forciing Obama care on the folks that dont want it? and cant afford a extra $100 ~ $400 bucks a month on a part time job? what are you old and retarded? where is these folks going to get the money from?
No more freeloaders, and if you make less than 140% of poverty level, you get free medicaid, unless you live in some red states, which should be fun for Dems lol. And everyone under 4 times the poverty level gets help paying. STFU!! tyvm
I'm going to do my best to educate you. You are obviously on the internet but can't quite find out how to function in the online world.I want to better health care that doesn't cost a arm @ leg. If it doesn't do that = fail.
I agree, but that is what we need for ALL Americans.
Wait, what? Matt said it needed to lower costs for people yet obiecare pretty much makes the cost sky rocket. And you follow that up with it's what ALL Americans need? And I'm sure by all you purposely meant that all wouldn't include congress, special unions, certain friends of obie and anyone else that can possibly wiggle themselves out of this disaster. Is that the ALL you mean?
Pure BS- Try reading some facts, hater dupe.
And lobbyists reaped hundreds of millions from Bush boon doogles.
The best you can up with in defense of obiecare is...Bush? Really?
When 17% of the nations economy becomes up for grabs for the lobbyists and their cronies there will be a huge fight for that money. None of that being in the best interests of the people. Obiecare isn't about peoples health or getting them healthcare. It's people lining up for their share of the mandate money.
Thats Jake's famous comeback... He doesn't have much else
I want to better health care that doesn't cost a arm @ leg. If it doesn't do that = fail.
So you love the Idea of forciing Obama care on the folks that dont want it? and cant afford a extra $100 ~ $400 bucks a month on a part time job? what are you old and retarded? where is these folks going to get the money from?
No more freeloaders, and if you make less than 140% of poverty level, you get free medicaid, unless you live in some red states, which should be fun for Dems lol. And everyone under 4 times the poverty level gets help paying. STFU!! tyvm
Umm, no more freeloaders, freeloaders that include people making 4 times of poverty level get subsidies, or as you incorrectly stated "free". Nothing is free you stupid f*ck somebody has to pay the damn bill. And as happens every damn time a government goes in the direction of providing "free" for some others must pay and eventually they stop paying because it is much easier to join the "free" group. That's when everything shuts down.
I want to better health care that doesn't cost a arm @ leg. If it doesn't do that = fail.
The cost to treat my wife's leukemia was $1.3 million over ten months from 2001 to 2002, and it failed to save her life. How much would it cost today? I'd venture to guess that it would be close to $2 million. Now when we look at wrongful death settlements, we find that the median payout is around $1 million. The average is higher because a smaller number of wrongful death cases receive extraordinary payouts.
My point is that the average person's life is valued somewhere around $1 million, although I truly do not believe in putting a dollar value on a person's life. This is just for demonstration to show what we are spending on medical care can be outlandish to say the least. i do not question the treatment, the need for treatment, or the right of a person to receive treatment. What I do question is the unbelievable cost.
I want to better health care that doesn't cost a arm @ leg. If it doesn't do that = fail.
The cost to treat my wife's leukemia was $1.3 million over ten months from 2001 to 2002, and it failed to save her life. How much would it cost today? I'd venture to guess that it would be close to $2 million. Now when we look at wrongful death settlements, we find that the median payout is around $1 million. The average is higher because a smaller number of wrongful death cases receive extraordinary payouts.
My point is that the average person's life is valued somewhere around $1 million, although I truly do not believe in putting a dollar value on a person's life. This is just for demonstration to show what we are spending on medical care can be outlandish to say the least. i do not question the treatment, the need for treatment, or the right of a person to receive treatment. What I do question is the unbelievable cost.
I want to better health care that doesn't cost a arm @ leg. If it doesn't do that = fail.
The cost to treat my wife's leukemia was $1.3 million over ten months from 2001 to 2002, and it failed to save her life. How much would it cost today? I'd venture to guess that it would be close to $2 million. Now when we look at wrongful death settlements, we find that the median payout is around $1 million. The average is higher because a smaller number of wrongful death cases receive extraordinary payouts.
My point is that the average person's life is valued somewhere around $1 million, although I truly do not believe in putting a dollar value on a person's life. This is just for demonstration to show what we are spending on medical care can be outlandish to say the least. i do not question the treatment, the need for treatment, or the right of a person to receive treatment. What I do question is the unbelievable cost.
How do you fix the medical system to give good healthcare(treatment) at a price that doesn't destroy the families lives? Let's not even get into such a system that allows for more advancements into cures for the disease.
My guess is robotic as robots have cut cost hugely within other fields.
One time cost for the infrastructure for a product that is mass produced...
ObamaCare looks a lot like the Bush/Republican Medicare Drug Bill.
It was written under massive lobbying pressure and the result was bill that fleeced taxpayers. Eli Lilly, whose lobbying ranks are filled with former senators, secured a no-bid contract to charge above market prices at the taxpayer's expense.
ObamaCare is no different. It forces poor consumers to buy monopolized health care. It is a "screw the poor" program that is designed to increase the profits of the businesses and investors whose lobbyists wrote the bill.
Business has captured the state.
When Clinton turned his back on Labor in order to get Wall Street money, the takeover was complete.
The country is run on behalf of the large corporations which fund our elections and write our laws.
Talk Radio tells us that Government persecutes business only to feed itself. However, once you see the lobbying process up close, you realize that the centralized power of government has been captured by business, which has turned Washington into a subsidy and bailout machine. As a results, nearly every law benefits the concentrated wealth that wields the concentrated power of Washington. And our great citizens cannot see what has happened because those same corporations which own government fund a message machine which is designed to distract the poor with communist socialist Islam-lesbo gay terrorists atheist demons.
Game over.
ObamaCare looks a lot like the Bush/Republican Medicare Drug Bill.
It was written under massive lobbying pressure and the result was bill that fleeced taxpayers. Eli Lilly, whose lobbying ranks are filled with former senators, secured a no-bid contract to charge above market prices at the taxpayer's expense.
ObamaCare is no different. It forces poor consumers to buy monopolized health care. It is a "screw the poor" program that is designed to increase the profits of the businesses and investors whose lobbyists wrote the bill.
Business has captured the state.
When Clinton turned his back on Labor in order to get Wall Street money, the takeover was complete.
The country is run on behalf of the large corporations which fund our elections and write our laws.
Talk Radio tells us that Government persecutes business only to feed itself. However, once you see the lobbying process up close, you realize that the centralized power of government has been captured by business, which has turned Washington into a subsidy and bailout machine. As a results, nearly every law benefits the concentrated wealth that wields the concentrated power of Washington. And our great citizens cannot see what has happened because those same corporations which own government fund a message machine which is designed to distract the poor with communist socialist Islam-lesbo gay terrorists atheist demons.
Game over.
Sorry, have to disagree- How the HELL is it screwing the poor when ALL the poor get free Medicaid LOL? And the poor workers above the poverty line get cheap guaranteed health care? (and for Pubs- bends cost curve down for everybody and guarantees care NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS)...
Ok, O-Care protected big health and Pharma on some things to get it passed, but NOW they are regulated and it'll get tougher for them...Finally hallelujah!
Can you read, total dupe? All waivers end next year except some union ones that end by 2017, the end of their contracts. The congress is NOT EXEMPT! Pubdupes!! READ!!:Its so great that O is granting waivers to all his buddies along with delaying implementation of key aspects of this travesty. Its so great that govt employees want no part of it while the rest of us get fleeced.
So in other words they weren't thrown into the obiecare system because they get the tax payers to pay into their benefit package. Good luck joining that special group you moron.For example (those other waivers end next year or by 2017, when the last union contracts run out)- ans soon this will be moved to health care so we'll have to tell the dupes AGAIN and again again etc...
MORE stupid BS, for hater dupes only. Factcheck, Snopes, and everyone else says you're a brainwashed idiot. LOL!!
Explanation:The trouble started in 2009 with a cheap stunt orchestrated by Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa). While lawmakers already get insurance through the Federal Employees Health Benefits Plan, just like other federal employees, the Iowa Republican pushed a proposal to force members of Congress out of the federal system and into exchanges.The point wasn't to shape policy, but to create a talking point for Republicans. Grassley desperately wanted to say, "Those darn Democrats think the exchanges are good enough for millions of Americans, but not good enough for themselves," and he assumed Dems would balk at his "plan" because they'd be unwilling to give up the generous Federal Employees Health Benefits Plan.But Democrats called Grassley's bluff, embraced his idea, and added it to the Affordable Care Act.And that's where the story gets a little tricky -- Grassley's partisan-stunt-gone-wrong sent members and their aides to get coverage through exchange marketplaces, but never created a mechanism to make that happen.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------As Jonathan Cohn explained yesterday:The federal government, like most large employers, not only provides the opportunity for its workers to get insurance. It also pays a large portion of the premium. Now that lawmakers and their advisers were going into the exchanges, what would happen to that contribution? Would they just lose the money?The answer, the administration decided last week, is no. Lawmakers and their staffs could keep their employer contributions, and apply that money towards the cost of whatever insurance they buy in the exchanges.The policy has nothing to do with "exempting" Congress from the health care law, and everything to do with creating a mechanism through which lawmakers will kick themselves off their own insurance plan and into exchanges without a major premium hike.For Republicans and their allies to whine incessantly about this is ridiculous, even by contemporary conservative standards. We are, after all, talking about an idea pushed by a Republican senator and quietly celebrated away from the cameras by Republican offices.Jon Chait added that the manufactured outrage over an "exemption" for Congress represents "the toxic combination of ignorance and bad faith that has characterized the right's approach to Obamacare."So Grassley's amendment created a situation for government workers that Republicans claimed, falsely, the law would create for everybody else: forcing them off their employer insurance and on to the exchanges. Grassley's amendment didn't even attempt to design a coherent way of changing health-care worker benefits, because, again, it wasn't an attempt to reform health care for Congress and its staff -- it was an attempt to furnish a talking point for Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. It yanked away the subsidized health insurance Congress and its staff get, essentially imposing a massive pay cut on those workers.<.blockquote>It was up to the Obama administration to figure out a resolution to this, and last week, to the relief of lawmakers and their staffers, it did -- offering the patch to a problem a Republican senator inadvertently imposed on lawmakers.Bottom line: has Congress exempted itself from Obamacare? No. Members of the House and Senate, as well as their aides, will be kicked out of the federal system -- all because Grassley played a stupid game -- and will get coverage through exchanges.The exchanges were, of course, designed for Americans who can't get coverage through their employer, but this pool of consumers will have a very notable exception: Congress.Anyone who tells you there's a congressional "exemption" from the law either doesn't know what they're talking about, or assumes you're easily fooled into believing nonsense.Congress isn't 'exempt' from Obamacare - The Maddow Blog
Don't you EVER get tired of being a haterdupe?
ObamaCare looks a lot like the Bush/Republican Medicare Drug Bill.
It was written under massive lobbying pressure and the result was bill that fleeced taxpayers. Eli Lilly, whose lobbying ranks are filled with former senators, secured a no-bid contract to charge above market prices at the taxpayer's expense.
ObamaCare is no different. It forces poor consumers to buy monopolized health care. It is a "screw the poor" program that is designed to increase the profits of the businesses and investors whose lobbyists wrote the bill.
Business has captured the state.
When Clinton turned his back on Labor in order to get Wall Street money, the takeover was complete.
The country is run on behalf of the large corporations which fund our elections and write our laws.
Talk Radio tells us that Government persecutes business only to feed itself. However, once you see the lobbying process up close, you realize that the centralized power of government has been captured by business, which has turned Washington into a subsidy and bailout machine. As a results, nearly every law benefits the concentrated wealth that wields the concentrated power of Washington. And our great citizens cannot see what has happened because those same corporations which own government fund a message machine which is designed to distract the poor with communist socialist Islam-lesbo gay terrorists atheist demons.
Game over.
Sorry, have to disagree- How the HELL is it screwing the poor when ALL the poor get free Medicaid LOL? And the poor workers above the poverty line get cheap guaranteed health care? (and for Pubs- bends cost curve down for everybody and guarantees care NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS)...
Ok, O-Care protected big health and Pharma on some things to get it passed, but NOW they are regulated and it'll get tougher for them...Finally hallelujah!
ObamaCare looks a lot like the Bush/Republican Medicare Drug Bill.
It was written under massive lobbying pressure and the result was bill that fleeced taxpayers. Eli Lilly, whose lobbying ranks are filled with former senators, secured a no-bid contract to charge above market prices at the taxpayer's expense.
ObamaCare is no different. It forces poor consumers to buy monopolized health care. It is a "screw the poor" program that is designed to increase the profits of the businesses and investors whose lobbyists wrote the bill.
Business has captured the state.
When Clinton turned his back on Labor in order to get Wall Street money, the takeover was complete.
The country is run on behalf of the large corporations which fund our elections and write our laws.
Talk Radio tells us that Government persecutes business only to feed itself. However, once you see the lobbying process up close, you realize that the centralized power of government has been captured by business, which has turned Washington into a subsidy and bailout machine. As a results, nearly every law benefits the concentrated wealth that wields the concentrated power of Washington. And our great citizens cannot see what has happened because those same corporations which own government fund a message machine which is designed to distract the poor with communist socialist Islam-lesbo gay terrorists atheist demons.
Game over.
Sorry, have to disagree- How the HELL is it screwing the poor when ALL the poor get free Medicaid LOL? And the poor workers above the poverty line get cheap guaranteed health care? (and for Pubs- bends cost curve down for everybody and guarantees care NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS)...
Ok, O-Care protected big health and Pharma on some things to get it passed, but NOW they are regulated and it'll get tougher for them...Finally hallelujah!
Take you O blinders off. Ocare screws all people who work and the people who refuse to participate.
