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If you recall, it was the UK that first suggested the no fly zone backed by France. As Editec mentioned, this is not all about the US and certainly not about Obama. Taking the US into another bloody war would not play well with voters and you can bet that he is not going to make this a big issue in 2012.
Germany's military doesn't do offensive ops. Haven't done since WWII. No change, and they provide their support in other ways.
They block NATO involvement and NATO assuming control of the operation, together with Turkey.
This position might change, but that's where we are as of now after 2 days of NATO meetings.
Gotta keep the Muslims happy somehow.
Al-Qaeda has a small foothold in eastern Libya. Does Al-Qaeda gain a larger foothold if Libya splits in two or if Ghadafi gets overthrown?
Following multiple reports about China mistreating journalists covering the budding protest movement in the country, fearful Beijing has threatened the Hong Kong media.
According to Yonhap:
"Hong Kong media are free to cover the mainland as long as they are in compliance with the country's 'basic law,' but if their attitudes are inclined to overthrow the regime, no country will accept that," Hao Tiechuan, director general of publicity at the Liaison Office of the Chinese government in Hong Kong, said in an interview with Radio Television Hong Kong (RTHK).
The Chinese Foreign Ministry claimed that journalists had not followed the necessary procedures for covering an incident at a major shopping mall at Wangfujing, Beijing, last Sunday.
"The Beijing police properly handled the incident at Wangfujing," Foreign ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu said in the face of criticism voiced by foreign correspondents and envoys of United States and European Union over incidents of beating and detention of journalists. At least four journalists were pushed and kicked around at the Wang Fu Jiang shopping street on Sunday. They had gone there expecting protests by rebels who has been giving calls for demonstrations to create a Egyptian type 'Jasmine revolution' in China.
China Warns Hong Kong Media About "Jasmine Revolution" Coverage :: FOOYOH ENTERTAINMENT
China is now mistreating journalists who are covering Chinese protesters. When will Obama attack? It'll be interesting to see how the Obama administration handles this issue with the largest holder of US debt.
George Bush assembled coalitions of the willing, a euphemism for his failure to get the UN to back his invasion of Iraq in 2003. Barack Obama has UN cover for a no-fly zone in Libya, but he has paradoxically produced a coalition of the unwilling to enforce it. US commanders expected that Nato would announce yesterday that it was taking over. That was blocked by Turkey, whose prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan called for immediate talks. Neither Germany nor eastern European members are keen on Nato heading an operation that has nothing to do with the defence of Europe.
Libya: Moving targets | Editorial | Comment is free | The Guardian
The scale of the bombing is a clear intervention in in the war as a party.
The so-called coalition provides Aircover for rebels driving tanks and jeep-mounted automatic guns of high claibre, that's not civilians.
It is another aggression by the 'West' against an Arab nation.
Obama's coalition is starting to crumble.
This thread lauches off the pad with a erroneous presumption...that the NATO forces are "Obama's coalition".
All part of the American centristic POV that pervades this place, I guess.
Here's a clue, kids...it ain't ALL about America.
In this case it is all about America. Not one other country has the strategic, and operational resources to run an operation of this magnitude. One of two things will happen. NATO will stick it to the USA, and we'll be stuck holding the bag. We'll then be stuck in Libya for years.
Another option would be that after NATO sticks it the USA, Obama, tucks his tail between his legs, and leaves. Qaddafi, stays in power. He kills millions of his own people. US credibility would be irrevocably damaged. That seems to happen every time the libs are in control.
The results in either case would have disastrous consequences for this country. The moral of this story is that you can't send an ACORN operative to do a President's job. Obama, is in way over his head.
Lets look at the coalition. Obama, instructed Sec. State Clinton to push for the UN resolution, and put the coalition together after the international pressure for him to resolve this issue increased. At the moment all theater forces are under US command and control. The US is bringing the most assets, and resources to the issue. Neither the UN, or NATO have ever moved with out US support. This is Obama's coalition.
I will agree that what Obama put together is a giant Charlie Foxtrot. He has made just about every rookie mistake that he can make. We don't have a clear mission, we don't have an exit strategy. The troops don't even know if they're going to be under American command and control tomorrow. This tells me that Obama isn't listening to his professional war fighters. Hitler had that problem too. We kicked his ass.
The good news is that we only have 1 1/2 years of the Obama nightmare to go. Our exit strategy from the Obama debacle will be put into place in November 2012. Booyah! What say you.
It certainly is. The US could have vetoed the resolution and none of this would be occurring.
This happens, when you 1st bomb and think later. And present facts to the Alliance to swallow.
It was almost a competition who will get to bomb Libya 1st.
Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung
NATO will only patrol Mediteranean Sea with ships and enforce weapons embargo.
Nothing More.
Rassmussen is accusing France, Germany and Turkey to disable NATO.
Einsatz gegen Gaddafi: Europas neue Risse - Arabische Welt - Politik - FAZ.NET
Now let's see. What Italy's stance will be... Whilst Obama has fled Washington to S.America to get away from the pressure.
This happens, when you 1st bomb and think later. And present facts to the Alliance to swallow.
It was almost a competition who will get to bomb Libya 1st.
Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung
NATO will only patrol Mediteranean Sea with ships and enforce weapons embargo.
Nothing More.
Rassmussen is accusing France, Germany and Turkey to disable NATO.
Einsatz gegen Gaddafi: Europas neue Risse - Arabische Welt - Politik - FAZ.NET
Now let's see. What Italy's stance will be... Whilst Obama has fled Washington to S.America to get away from the pressure.
Actually, it was about taking quick, decisive action to ensure he didn't have time to move any assets. But, please, do continue with the hyperbolic ranting.
This happens, when you 1st bomb and think later. And present facts to the Alliance to swallow.
It was almost a competition who will get to bomb Libya 1st.
Good point. This looks nothing like a "No Fly Zone." Unless Libya has flying buildings,cars,and tanks. This is not a "No Fly Zone." This is a massacre. It's very sad.
And in Muslim Newspapers it will read:
'Obama kills Muslims to steal Libya's Oil'.
Simple as that.
