Obiecare numbers don't add up

[Missouri_Mike]

Raise your hand if you're shocked to hear this.

WASHINGTON, DC – Data provided to the committee by every insurance provider in the health care law’s Federally Facilitated Marketplace (FFM) shows that, as of April 15, 2014, only 67 percent of individuals and families that had selected a health plan in the federally facilitated marketplace had paid their first month’s premium and therefore completed the enrollment process. Nationwide, only 25 percent of paid enrollees are ages 18 to 34. The Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations today invited the leaders of some of the nation’s largest insurance providers and their trade groups to testify at a hearing, “PPACA Enrollment and the Insurance Industry,” on Wednesday, May 7, 2014, at 10:15 a.m. in room 2123 Rayburn House Office Building.

Committee Learns Who?s Paid for Obamacare: As of April 15, Only 67 Percent of Enrollees in Federal Marketplace Had Paid First Month?s Premium | Energy & Commerce Committee

Personally I'm thinking to my self just how bad does a website such as oh let me think of an example...healthcare.gov? Have to fucking be in order to not be able to track who has paid for their products. It's not like the first line of business isn't taking orders and getting paid but apparently with obiecare we have to go to the insurer's for those numbers.

Oh and when we do the 7 million, then miraculously 8 million turns out to be complete bullshit.

And the younger people, the under 35 group that are supposed to pay for all of this?

Nationwide (as of April 15, 2014), 67 percent of people had completed enrollment and paid their first month’s premium and 33 percent had not. Of those who had paid their first month’s premium:

Under 18: six percent;
Ages 18 to 25: 10 percent;
26 to 34: 15 percent;
35 to 44: 16 percent;
45 to 54: 23 percent;
55 to 64: 29 percent;
65 and older: 1 percent.

Yep 25%, Not enough payers to float the takers on this ship. Also does anyone see a problem with the 18-25 demographic? It's impossible to grow. They can now stay on their parents private insurance.

Sure looks like we've been lied to again. Anyone shocked by that rise your other hand.

 

[The Rabbi]

It will come out in the wash in about 18 months when the insurers see skyrocketing claims in their pools and come to the government for a bailout.
That the administration cooked the numbers is hardly news. Nor will it matter to the brain dead supporters still on this site.

 

[Votto]

It will come out in the wash in about 18 months when the insurers see skyrocketing claims in their pools and come to the government for a bailout.
That the administration cooked the numbers is hardly news. Nor will it matter to the brain dead supporters still on this site.

That's cause it's "W" fault and the Koch brother's Tea Party are behind it as well.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

No lefties here to defend...hmmm.

 

[healthmyths]

Raise your hand if you're shocked to hear this.

WASHINGTON, DC – Data provided to the committee by every insurance provider in the health care law’s Federally Facilitated Marketplace (FFM) shows that, as of April 15, 2014, only 67 percent of individuals and families that had selected a health plan in the federally facilitated marketplace had paid their first month’s premium and therefore completed the enrollment process. Nationwide, only 25 percent of paid enrollees are ages 18 to 34. The Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations today invited the leaders of some of the nation’s largest insurance providers and their trade groups to testify at a hearing, “PPACA Enrollment and the Insurance Industry,” on Wednesday, May 7, 2014, at 10:15 a.m. in room 2123 Rayburn House Office Building.

Committee Learns Who?s Paid for Obamacare: As of April 15, Only 67 Percent of Enrollees in Federal Marketplace Had Paid First Month?s Premium | Energy & Commerce Committee

Personally I'm thinking to my self just how bad does a website such as oh let me think of an example...healthcare.gov? Have to fucking be in order to not be able to track who has paid for their products. It's not like the first line of business isn't taking orders and getting paid but apparently with obiecare we have to go to the insurer's for those numbers.

Oh and when we do the 7 million, then miraculously 8 million turns out to be complete bullshit.

And the younger people, the under 35 group that are supposed to pay for all of this?

Nationwide (as of April 15, 2014), 67 percent of people had completed enrollment and paid their first month’s premium and 33 percent had not. Of those who had paid their first month’s premium:

Under 18: six percent;
Ages 18 to 25: 10 percent;
26 to 34: 15 percent;
35 to 44: 16 percent;
45 to 54: 23 percent;
55 to 64: 29 percent;
65 and older: 1 percent.

Yep 25%, Not enough payers to float the takers on this ship. Also does anyone see a problem with the 18-25 demographic? It's impossible to grow. They can now stay on their parents private insurance.

Sure looks like we've been lied to again. Anyone shocked by that rise your other hand.

I would LIKE YOU to consider that the ENTIRE premise of "46 million uninsured" which at least 7 of the YES votes that just barely passed ACA is a LIE!

Tell me where these numbers and FACTS and sources are wrong.

1) Even Obama now has scaled back the 46 million number he used BEFORE ACA..
“I don’t have to explain to you that nearly 46 million Americans don’t have health insurance coverage today. "
Obama NOW uses 33 million because as the CENSUS reports 10 million of the "46 million" are NOT CITIZENS!!!
Source: Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau

That leaves 36 million!

2) 14 million PER THE CENSUS should be already enrolled under MEDICAID BEFORE Obamacare law was passed. They qualified but didn't enroll!
"Of the 44.7 million non-elderly uninsured individuals identified in the 2004 Census Current Population Survey (CPS) data,
nearly one-third — almost 14 million — were reachable through existing government health programs such as Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) under current rules!
In the latest Census health insurance report, the Census Bureau acknowledges that the survey “…underreports Medicare and Medicaid coverage compared with enrollment and participation data from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS).”
http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf
Do you understand?? Even the Census says they underreported how many people were REACHABLE i.e. Eligible and need only to register!

That leaves 22 million!

3) 18 million of the " Invincibles" that Obamacare WANTS enrolled NEVER NEEDED insurance... under 34.
The could afford their employers' health plans at $50,000+ a year or more but paid out of their own pocket their health insurance needs!

That leaves 4 million! JUST 4 million that truly needed and want insurance
SO why the...f...k were we lied there were 46 million americans clamoring and needing health insurance?

ALSO we heard ALL those terrible sob stories about millions and millions of people that were denied due to "PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS!"

LIE!

Obama's Pre-existing Conditions Whopper--- 10,000% exaggeration..
Obama’s Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) incredibly determined that almost half the American population could be ineligible for
health insurance due to a preexisting condition.
This sure sounds like a crisis, but the HHS simply counted all Americans with asthma, bad backs, diabetes, hypertension, and other chronic diseases
that theoretically could be a reason to deny coverage or charge a higher premium.

According to the latest Census Bureau data, 309 million Americans have health insurance.
Of these 4 percent are covered by directly purchased insurance alone.

The remaining 96 percent are covered by government or company insurance or some combination.
--- Government health insurance does not allow discrimination based on preexisting conditions.
--- Company insurance typically does not either, insofar as the risk pool is already incorporated in the premiums, and there are portability requirements
in moving from company to company.

---Thus 12 million people purchased private direct purchased health insurance on the eve of Obama Care.

Insurance industry studies show that one in eight applicants for private health insurance have preexisting conditions that affect their eligibility or premiums.
This gives a total of 1.5 million Americans who were denied health insurance or paid higher premiums due to pre-existing conditions.

The Obama administration has lied with statistics! Instead of 150 million, there are 1.5 million Americans, who “cannot get insurance or must pay higher premiums due to pre-existing conditions.” The pre-existing conditions crisis becomes a gnat bite when things are measured correctly.

THERE NEVER WERE millions and millions of people with "pre-existing conditions!
PURE LIE! BUNK!