Obstruction of Justice Thread and Poll

[CrusaderFrank]

Firing the guy directing the investigation into Trump’s campaign and it’s dealings with Russia to influence (i.e. win) an election does.

One vote for Russia Russia Russia

 

[JoeMoma]

Obstruction of justice obstructs a process, no matter what the outcome of the process is.

what process was obstructed? this ought to be good.

That's what the investigation is now trying to determine.

So anyone can be investigated for obstruction of justice at any time to determine if obstruction of justice occurred or not.

Usually obstruction of justice charges come as an offshoot of another investigation into wrong doing. Much like Watergate; it was a burglary that was being investigated. Then Nixon started firing people and then you had OOJ.

Note that I was responding to NYcarnineer who said that the investigation is now trying to determine what process was obstructed. Seems to be putting the carriage in front of the horse.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Firing the guy directing the investigation into Trump’s campaign and it’s dealings with Russia to influence (i.e. win) an election does.

The issue of obstruction of justice is so obvious, it is amazing that the rightwingers on this board don't get it.

Definition: the crime or act of willfully interfering with the process of justice and law especially by influencing, threatening, harming, or impeding a witness, potential witness, juror, or judicial or legal officer or by furnishing false information in or otherwise impeding an investigation or legal process ...

Trump tried to impede the investigation into Flynn's Russia connection by asking Comey to backoff. When Comey didn't back off, he fired him. He was trying to influence and impede the investigation and the legal process. His telling Comey he 'hoped' he could let the investigation go and at the same time asking Comey if he wanted to keep his job was a threat. When Comey didn't back off, he fired him.

It's really very obvious to anyone who can think about it in an unbiased way. If your boss 'suggested' you stop doing something and you continued to do it, and then he/she fired you, you would believe you were fired for not doing what the boss wanted, especially if up until that time he/she had nothing but praise for you.

You mean the Flynn investigation that originated because of the Illegally obtained FISA warrant and then involved the multiple unmasking felonies on the part of the Obamaroid Holdovers?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Obstruction of justice obstructs a process, no matter what the outcome of the process is.

what process was obstructed? this ought to be good.

That's what the investigation is now trying to determine.

So anyone can be investigated for obstruction of justice at any time to determine if obstruction of justice occurred or not.

Usually obstruction of justice charges come as an offshoot of another investigation into wrong doing. Much like Watergate; it was a burglary that was being investigated. Then Nixon started firing people and then you had OOJ.

Note that I was responding to NYcarnineer who said that the investigation is now trying to determine what process was obstructed. Seems to be putting the carriage in front of the horse.

What do you think investigations do?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Firing the guy directing the investigation into Trump’s campaign and it’s dealings with Russia to influence (i.e. win) an election does.

So it was illegal for Trump to exercise his constitutional given authority?

Correct. It is known that no one on the Trump team was allowed any contact with anyone from Russia, or with a Russian last name without prior written approval from Stats & Starkey, PC and that Trump could not make any untrue statement of a material fact or to omit to state a material fact necessary in order to make the statements made, in the light of the circumstances under which they were made, not misleading.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Colluding with Russia has nothing to do with Obstruction of Justice. It's a totally separate issue.

Bill Clinton was impeached for two things, perjury and Obstruction of Justice. That Obstruction of Justice was for a civil case, the Paula Jones sexual harassment lawsuit, that had already been dismissed.

Ruh-roh. The Trump-snowflakes keep telling us it's not possible to commit Obstruction of Justice unless an actual criminal case is in progress. They apparently impeached Bill Clinton for something they now say isn't a crime.

Trump-snowflakes, if Obstruction of Justice requires an actual crime be obstructed, can you explain why the Republicans impeached Bill Clinton for Obstruction of Justice on a civil case that had already been dismissed?

So Trump obstructed justice by not colluding with Russia, right G5000?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What is Crooked Donny guilty of?

Failure to disclose contact with a foreign government
Money laundering
Collusion
Obstruction
Treason


What will Mueller find?

He should find himself fired and prosecuted for leaking confidential information to the WaPost

 

[JoeMoma]

Question: When Obama issued the order for ICE to lay off of the dreamers, was he exercising prosecutorial discretion, or was he obstructing justice?

 

[jc456]

Firing the guy directing the investigation into Trump’s campaign and it’s dealings with Russia to influence (i.e. win) an election does.

The issue of obstruction of justice is so obvious, it is amazing that the rightwingers on this board don't get it.

Definition: the crime or act of willfully interfering with the process of justice and law especially by influencing, threatening, harming, or impeding a witness, potential witness, juror, or judicial or legal officer or by furnishing false information in or otherwise impeding an investigation or legal process ...

Trump tried to impede the investigation into Flynn's Russia connection by asking Comey to backoff. When Comey didn't back off, he fired him. He was trying to influence and impede the investigation and the legal process. His telling Comey he 'hoped' he could let the investigation go and at the same time asking Comey if he wanted to keep his job was a threat. When Comey didn't back off, he fired him.

It's really very obvious to anyone who can think about it in an unbiased way. If your boss 'suggested' you stop doing something and you continued to do it, and then he/she fired you, you would believe you were fired for not doing what the boss wanted, especially if up until that time he/she had nothing but praise for you.

You mean the Flynn investigation that originated because of the Illegally obtained FISA warrant and then involved the multiple unmasking felonies on the part of the Obamaroid Holdovers?

that triggered getting the guy fired

 

[jc456]

what process was obstructed? this ought to be good.

That's what the investigation is now trying to determine.

So anyone can be investigated for obstruction of justice at any time to determine if obstruction of justice occurred or not.

Usually obstruction of justice charges come as an offshoot of another investigation into wrong doing. Much like Watergate; it was a burglary that was being investigated. Then Nixon started firing people and then you had OOJ.

Note that I was responding to NYcarnineer who said that the investigation is now trying to determine what process was obstructed. Seems to be putting the carriage in front of the horse.

What do you think investigations do?

investigations of what? First you have to have a crime to investigate. And darling, right now there is no crime. so everyone is walking around like zombies on a Sunday afternoon in a cemetery.

 

[mamooth]

So Trump obstructed justice by not colluding with Russia, right G5000?

Obviously not. As we keep pointing out, obstruction of justice has nothing to do with committing crimes.

Even you're not this stupid, Frank. You're deliberately trolling and lying here. You're loyal to the Republican/Russian party, not the USA. Fortunately for you, that's not a crime.

 

[candycorn]

That's what the investigation is now trying to determine.

So anyone can be investigated for obstruction of justice at any time to determine if obstruction of justice occurred or not.

Usually obstruction of justice charges come as an offshoot of another investigation into wrong doing. Much like Watergate; it was a burglary that was being investigated. Then Nixon started firing people and then you had OOJ.

Note that I was responding to NYcarnineer who said that the investigation is now trying to determine what process was obstructed. Seems to be putting the carriage in front of the horse.

What do you think investigations do?

investigations of what? First you have to have a crime to investigate. And darling, right now there is no crime. so everyone is walking around like zombies on a Sunday afternoon in a cemetery.

Michael Flynn broke the law. You do recall that; right?

 

[depotoo]

 

[mamooth]

investigations of what? First you have to have a crime to investigate.

Trump just tweeted that he's under criminal investigation. That is, your DearLeader is contradicting you. You better run back to the cult for new instructions.

Donald J. Trump on Twitter
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I am being investigated for firing the FBI Director by the man who told me to fire the FBI Director! Witch Hunt
---

So why did you Trumptards spend the last week saying the opposite? Oh, that's right, it's because Trumptards are UsefulIdiots, and so proud of it.

Trumptards, Trump will always lie to you, and always keep tossing you under the bus. Everyone else sees that, which accounts for the laughter. Now, go on. Run back to your master, lick his boots, and beg for more lies.

 

[jc456]

So anyone can be investigated for obstruction of justice at any time to determine if obstruction of justice occurred or not.

Usually obstruction of justice charges come as an offshoot of another investigation into wrong doing. Much like Watergate; it was a burglary that was being investigated. Then Nixon started firing people and then you had OOJ.

Note that I was responding to NYcarnineer who said that the investigation is now trying to determine what process was obstructed. Seems to be putting the carriage in front of the horse.

What do you think investigations do?

investigations of what? First you have to have a crime to investigate. And darling, right now there is no crime. so everyone is walking around like zombies on a Sunday afternoon in a cemetery.

Michael Flynn broke the law. You do recall that; right?

he did? what was the charge?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So Trump obstructed justice by not colluding with Russia, right G5000?

Obviously not. As we keep pointing out, obstruction of justice has nothing to do with committing crimes.

Even you're not this stupid, Frank. You're deliberately trolling and lying here. You're loyal to the Republican/Russian party, not the USA. Fortunately for you, that's not a crime.

Right, Trump's crime was making fools out of the "He has no path to the White House as of Nov 8 6pm" crowd

 

[CrusaderFrank]

That's what the investigation is now trying to determine.

So anyone can be investigated for obstruction of justice at any time to determine if obstruction of justice occurred or not.

Usually obstruction of justice charges come as an offshoot of another investigation into wrong doing. Much like Watergate; it was a burglary that was being investigated. Then Nixon started firing people and then you had OOJ.

Note that I was responding to NYcarnineer who said that the investigation is now trying to determine what process was obstructed. Seems to be putting the carriage in front of the horse.

What do you think investigations do?

investigations of what? First you have to have a crime to investigate. And darling, right now there is no crime. so everyone is walking around like zombies on a Sunday afternoon in a cemetery.

Investigated for not colluding with Russia

 

[candycorn]

Usually obstruction of justice charges come as an offshoot of another investigation into wrong doing. Much like Watergate; it was a burglary that was being investigated. Then Nixon started firing people and then you had OOJ.

Note that I was responding to NYcarnineer who said that the investigation is now trying to determine what process was obstructed. Seems to be putting the carriage in front of the horse.

What do you think investigations do?

investigations of what? First you have to have a crime to investigate. And darling, right now there is no crime. so everyone is walking around like zombies on a Sunday afternoon in a cemetery.

Michael Flynn broke the law. You do recall that; right?

he did? what was the charge?

MIs-spoke. He’s being investigated for meeting with the Russians. Hence the order to “drop it” by Trump to Comey.

 

[jc456]

investigations of what? First you have to have a crime to investigate.

Trump just tweeted that he's under criminal investigation. That is, your DearLeader is contradicting you. You better run back to the cult for new instructions.

Donald J. Trump on Twitter
---
I am being investigated for firing the FBI Director by the man who told me to fire the FBI Director! Witch Hunt
---

So why did you Trumptards spend the last week saying the opposite? Oh, that's right, it's because Trumptards are UsefulIdiots, and so proud of it.

Trumptards, Trump will always lie to you, and always keep tossing you under the bus. Everyone else sees that, which accounts for the laughter. Now, go on. Run back to your master, lick his boots, and beg for more lies.

well I haven't heard Mueller declare that. Just a anonymous source that means absolutely nothing to the country. So begging the President's pardon, I haven't heard of any investigation. Trump is merely responding to the WAPO write up. which is fiction without a name.

 

[JoeMoma]

Question: When Obama issued the order for ICE to lay off of the dreamers, was he exercising prosecutorial discretion, or was he obstructing justice?

Anyone want to make a stab at this question?