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Viability of the fetus? Why do pro-choice advocates stay so silent on late term abortions? To them it is about the right to choose over the right on an unseen baby to live.
In case you haven't seen it, you should watch Morgan Freeman's "Through the Wormhole on Science channel. They repeated their episode on "when life begins" last night and it is an interesting watch. Believe it or not, scientists can't seem to agree. One thinks it is at conception. One thinks it is when a baby becomes concious of their surroundings and self. Another thinks it is when they become aware of how they are perceived by others.
When Does Life Begin? : Videos : Science Channel
Season 4 Episodes : Science Channel
Less than 2% of abortions are after 20 weeks, mainly for the health of the mother.
5000 women a year DIED from botched abortions before Roe.
Thank God next year there will be free birthcontrol with O-care. Will save billions and decimate abortion rate. No thanks to mindless obstructionist Pubs and silly dupes...
Viability of the fetus? Why do pro-choice advocates stay so silent on late term abortions? To them it is about the right to choose over the right on an unseen baby to live.
No. It's about the right to keep control over your own body. It is absolutely that and fear that once you start banning it outright at any point, it's a slippery slope to banning it from conception on. Many people support choice who do not support abortion and few actively support unlimited abortion.
In case you haven't seen it, you should watch Morgan Freeman's "Through the Wormhole on Science channel. They repeated their episode on "when life begins" last night and it is an interesting watch. Believe it or not, scientists can't seem to agree. One thinks it is at conception. One thinks it is when a baby becomes concious of their surroundings and self. Another thinks it is when they become aware of how they are perceived by others.
When Does Life Begin? : Videos : Science Channel
Season 4 Episodes : Science Channel
Haven't seen it, but I'll look it up
Viability of the fetus? Why do pro-choice advocates stay so silent on late term abortions? To them it is about the right to choose over the right on an unseen baby to live.
No. It's about the right to keep control over your own body. It is absolutely that and fear that once you start banning it outright at any point, it's a slippery slope to banning it from conception on. Many people support choice who do not support abortion and few actively support unlimited abortion.
In case you haven't seen it, you should watch Morgan Freeman's "Through the Wormhole on Science channel. They repeated their episode on "when life begins" last night and it is an interesting watch. Believe it or not, scientists can't seem to agree. One thinks it is at conception. One thinks it is when a baby becomes concious of their surroundings and self. Another thinks it is when they become aware of how they are perceived by others.
When Does Life Begin? : Videos : Science Channel
Season 4 Episodes : Science Channel
Haven't seen it, but I'll look it up
Unfortunately, you can't seperate the results from the action. I'm libertarian at heart. I believe in personal freedom and liberty and being able to persue your own interests without interference. But that is coupled with personal responsibility and your pursuit not interfering with those on another person. In the case of pregnancy and abortion, I have to consider these principles. You may have made a choice to have sex. You did so with the full knowledge that even wiith birth control, you can get pregnant. Now that you find yourself with an undesired pregnancy, do you really have the moral and ethical right to make a choice to abort the fetus? Legally, you have the right. Morally and ethically? Personal choice starts bumping into the interference of another life......that resulted from your earlier free choice. It depends I suppose on whether you can convince yourself that it is just a lump of cells like a tumor and needs to be removed or whether you view it as a life and possibly the next Einstein. As a libertarian, I'm all for liberty. I'm all about choice. But not when your choice affects something as precious and valuable as a new life.
No. It's about the right to keep control over your own body. It is absolutely that and fear that once you start banning it outright at any point, it's a slippery slope to banning it from conception on. Many people support choice who do not support abortion and few actively support unlimited abortion.
Haven't seen it, but I'll look it up
Unfortunately, you can't seperate the results from the action. I'm libertarian at heart. I believe in personal freedom and liberty and being able to persue your own interests without interference. But that is coupled with personal responsibility and your pursuit not interfering with those on another person. In the case of pregnancy and abortion, I have to consider these principles. You may have made a choice to have sex. You did so with the full knowledge that even wiith birth control, you can get pregnant. Now that you find yourself with an undesired pregnancy, do you really have the moral and ethical right to make a choice to abort the fetus? Legally, you have the right. Morally and ethically? Personal choice starts bumping into the interference of another life......that resulted from your earlier free choice. It depends I suppose on whether you can convince yourself that it is just a lump of cells like a tumor and needs to be removed or whether you view it as a life and possibly the next Einstein. As a libertarian, I'm all for liberty. I'm all about choice. But not when your choice affects something as precious and valuable as a new life.
I can respect that...
But if it's a rape, it's not free choice is it?
My feeling is the only one who can truly make that decision and must morally and ethically live with it either way, is the pregnant woman. I may not choose what she does - but I'm not walking in her shoes. That is why I'm pro choice.
No. It's about the right to keep control over your own body. It is absolutely that and fear that once you start banning it outright at any point, it's a slippery slope to banning it from conception on. Many people support choice who do not support abortion and few actively support unlimited abortion.
Haven't seen it, but I'll look it up
Unfortunately, you can't seperate the results from the action. I'm libertarian at heart. I believe in personal freedom and liberty and being able to persue your own interests without interference. But that is coupled with personal responsibility and your pursuit not interfering with those on another person. In the case of pregnancy and abortion, I have to consider these principles. You may have made a choice to have sex. You did so with the full knowledge that even wiith birth control, you can get pregnant. Now that you find yourself with an undesired pregnancy, do you really have the moral and ethical right to make a choice to abort the fetus? Legally, you have the right. Morally and ethically? Personal choice starts bumping into the interference of another life......that resulted from your earlier free choice. It depends I suppose on whether you can convince yourself that it is just a lump of cells like a tumor and needs to be removed or whether you view it as a life and possibly the next Einstein. As a libertarian, I'm all for liberty. I'm all about choice. But not when your choice affects something as precious and valuable as a new life.
I can respect that...
But if it's a rape, it's not free choice is it?
My feeling is the only one who can truly make that decision and must morally and ethically live with it either way, is the pregnant woman. I may not choose what she does - but I'm not walking in her shoes. That is why I'm pro choice.
Unfortunately, you can't seperate the results from the action. I'm libertarian at heart. I believe in personal freedom and liberty and being able to persue your own interests without interference. But that is coupled with personal responsibility and your pursuit not interfering with those on another person. In the case of pregnancy and abortion, I have to consider these principles. You may have made a choice to have sex. You did so with the full knowledge that even wiith birth control, you can get pregnant. Now that you find yourself with an undesired pregnancy, do you really have the moral and ethical right to make a choice to abort the fetus? Legally, you have the right. Morally and ethically? Personal choice starts bumping into the interference of another life......that resulted from your earlier free choice. It depends I suppose on whether you can convince yourself that it is just a lump of cells like a tumor and needs to be removed or whether you view it as a life and possibly the next Einstein. As a libertarian, I'm all for liberty. I'm all about choice. But not when your choice affects something as precious and valuable as a new life.
I can respect that...
But if it's a rape, it's not free choice is it?
My feeling is the only one who can truly make that decision and must morally and ethically live with it either way, is the pregnant woman. I may not choose what she does - but I'm not walking in her shoes. That is why I'm pro choice.
what did that baby do to deserve the punishment of death?
Welcome to my nightmare
REALLY, who is taking away ABORTION?
that is the lie you all like to push
You Bible thumping right wingers are. You make it incrementally more and more difficult to obtain one through regulations that are purposely difficult if not impossible to meet until only a few places remain that will perform them. Then you picket and protest those places, publish doctor's home addresses, and encourage zealots to murder them. Of course, once the kid is born, nobody gives a damn any longer.
So is that where the leftists draw the line? It's OK to kill a baby, but not a doctor? What about garbage collectors? Their job is important, but doesn't carry the same worth as a doctor. Is it OK to kill them too? Maybe the homeless? That could take care of the problem of those unwanted people as well. What prevents you lefties from making the jump from babies to older people?
You Bible thumping right wingers are. You make it incrementally more and more difficult to obtain one through regulations that are purposely difficult if not impossible to meet until only a few places remain that will perform them. Then you picket and protest those places, publish doctor's home addresses, and encourage zealots to murder them. Of course, once the kid is born, nobody gives a damn any longer.
So is that where the leftists draw the line? It's OK to kill a baby, but not a doctor? What about garbage collectors? Their job is important, but doesn't carry the same worth as a doctor. Is it OK to kill them too? Maybe the homeless? That could take care of the problem of those unwanted people as well. What prevents you lefties from making the jump from babies to older people?
They aren't babies until they are born. Doctors are already here. So are garbage collectors, the homeless, and the elderly. Although it wouldn't surprise me if you "let him die" teabaggers would advocate such for the homeless. It is generally accepted by all but extreme zealots that terminating a pregnancy is acceptable until the point of viability and even beyond that in certain circumstances. Yet all you yahoos who claim to not want the government to get in between the doctor and patient sure don't have any problem with that when it comes to a woman's reproductive choices.
So is that where the leftists draw the line? It's OK to kill a baby, but not a doctor? What about garbage collectors? Their job is important, but doesn't carry the same worth as a doctor. Is it OK to kill them too? Maybe the homeless? That could take care of the problem of those unwanted people as well. What prevents you lefties from making the jump from babies to older people?
They aren't babies until they are born. Doctors are already here. So are garbage collectors, the homeless, and the elderly. Although it wouldn't surprise me if you "let him die" teabaggers would advocate such for the homeless. It is generally accepted by all but extreme zealots that terminating a pregnancy is acceptable until the point of viability and even beyond that in certain circumstances. Yet all you yahoos who claim to not want the government to get in between the doctor and patient sure don't have any problem with that when it comes to a woman's reproductive choices.
Here's a proper response for a knuckle dragging, mouth breathing, moronic troll such as yourself.......fuck you very much. When you grow up, maybe we can have an adult conversation like the one Coyote and I are having. Until then.........
They aren't babies until they are born. Doctors are already here. So are garbage collectors, the homeless, and the elderly. Although it wouldn't surprise me if you "let him die" teabaggers would advocate such for the homeless. It is generally accepted by all but extreme zealots that terminating a pregnancy is acceptable until the point of viability and even beyond that in certain circumstances. Yet all you yahoos who claim to not want the government to get in between the doctor and patient sure don't have any problem with that when it comes to a woman's reproductive choices.
Here's a proper response for a knuckle dragging, mouth breathing, moronic troll such as yourself.......fuck you very much. When you grow up, maybe we can have an adult conversation like the one Coyote and I are having. Until then.........
You're the one bringing in juvenile epithets and insults to the conversation. Go commit an impossible act upon yourself.
Here's a proper response for a knuckle dragging, mouth breathing, moronic troll such as yourself.......fuck you very much. When you grow up, maybe we can have an adult conversation like the one Coyote and I are having. Until then.........
You're the one bringing in juvenile epithets and insults to the conversation. Go commit an impossible act upon yourself.
The quality of my responses are in direct proportion to the level of poster I'm dealing with. You just aren't worthy of a serious reponse. Try harder.
