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You're a lazy debater. Or you just don't know how to debate.
You claimed that the accomplishments I listed were propaganda. List which accomplishment is propaganda, and why.
Use your own words. Don't just post a link.
Fail, I questioned your ability to separate propaganda from reality. You presumed I was limited to what was on your list. Who profits on all of the Credit Card loans along with the bank? Who is the Banks silent partner? Who benefits when you get insurance coverage but your claim or procedure is denied. Do you really believe that the Government just mandates stuff in your interest and it's done. Think smoke screen, or bait and switch. Government pretty much gets funded or profits on every side of the equation, every time money changes hands, fast or slow. So it really isn't about the money, but about the control. Tell me, when you shop, do you wait for the sales to end? No You purchase when it is more to your advantage not less. The same holds for business spending, both business and Government profit from both volume and keeping the lines of supply running, government getting a cut in one form or another, every step of the way. Yet, it is never enough, and Government workers are never over paid, no matter whether their job is relevant or not. School Tuitions. How much do you think those tuitions would drop if there was a 50% drop in enrollment? What's the interest on that Federal Student loan? Does the Fed risk that you won't pay, like a financial Institution? No, they will track you to your grave? How come the interest on your student loan is not greed? It is Profit, right? Why is the interest so high. Hmmmm...... Socialism is not compatible with Federalism. That is what I have against your reasoning. Everything of value has to come from someone or something. Somebody paid the true cost.
There is no "our own oil". Even when it comes from America's ground. All oil goes on the world market. That's just a fact.
It's frustrating to try to discuss politics with people who don't understand the issues.
LOL! Good one. It's still our oil, or you are implying that anyone can just show up and claim it, just drill where and when they want? Someone or some entity owns it from the instant it comes out of the ground. Some people don't understand anything huh, like the connection with surplus and worth. How about the refineries, the relationship there with reserve and price, all of the different rules governing refinement. It's wasteful.
What does it matter? Even if we drill in Texas, the oil goes on the world market. We cannot and have never said "this is American oil that will stay in America". It doesn't. That's why the arguments for opening ANWR are dumb. It won't help us get off of foreign drilled oil, because we cannot keep that Alaskan oil within the U.S.
So my only concerns about the Chinese drilling in the Gulf is the safety of the rigs, not the oil that is produced.
You're a lazy debater. Or you just don't know how to debate.
You claimed that the accomplishments I listed were propaganda. List which accomplishment is propaganda, and why.
Use your own words. Don't just post a link.
Fail, I questioned your ability to separate propaganda from reality. You presumed I was limited to what was on your list. Who profits on all of the Credit Card loans along with the bank? Who is the Banks silent partner? Who benefits when you get insurance coverage but your claim or procedure is denied. Do you really believe that the Government just mandates stuff in your interest and it's done. Think smoke screen, or bait and switch. Government pretty much gets funded or profits on every side of the equation, every time money changes hands, fast or slow. So it really isn't about the money, but about the control. Tell me, when you shop, do you wait for the sales to end? No You purchase when it is more to your advantage not less. The same holds for business spending, both business and Government profit from both volume and keeping the lines of supply running, government getting a cut in one form or another, every step of the way. Yet, it is never enough, and Government workers are never over paid, no matter whether their job is relevant or not. School Tuitions. How much do you think those tuitions would drop if there was a 50% drop in enrollment? What's the interest on that Federal Student loan? Does the Fed risk that you won't pay, like a financial Institution? No, they will track you to your grave? How come the interest on your student loan is not greed? It is Profit, right? Why is the interest so high. Hmmmm...... Socialism is not compatible with Federalism. That is what I have against your reasoning. Everything of value has to come from someone or something. Somebody paid the true cost.
Are you under the impression that a run-on paragragh is a coherent answer?
I listed accomplishments under Obama.
You claimed those accomplishments are propaganda.
I challenged you to list which of those accomplishments are propaganda.
You punted.
Would you care to try again, or do you just wish to forget that you ever said anything?
No doubt. Now tell that to Congress. Tell, say, Orin Hatch that we don't need that facility/base/manufacturer/etc. in Utah any longer. Do you think he's going to say "sure - whatever is best for our military and our country"?And that's why DoD's needs are more important than Congress'.The problem is that they have spread Defense $$$ to all 50 states and none of them want it to end. Just another form of welfare.
Stop being so paranoid. No one is going to cut social security or medicare. What will happen and needs to , is to extend Bush' tax cuts, freeze spending, defund Obamacare and other wasteful programs like NPR.
Freeze spending where? And what do we do with the additional uninsured that will result? Non-military discretionary is about $610 Billion. If you wipe out the entire government, less mandatory programs and military, you can cut the deficit in half, while only raising unemployment a few points resulting in deeper depression.
Please, tell us where you want to make the cuts. That's why this conversation sounds like a broken record. We never get to the answer.
Pick up a recent issue of Esquire; they have a panel that balances the budget using means that sound very pragmatic; but in the context of politics; probably not realistic. Some good stuff. Raising the retirement age to 70 was one of the ideas; revamping the military--something that we could do tomorrow was another. Of course balancing the budget is just a small step toward getting out of debt. It would take several years under the most apolitical of environments.
Freeze spending where? And what do we do with the additional uninsured that will result? Non-military discretionary is about $610 Billion. If you wipe out the entire government, less mandatory programs and military, you can cut the deficit in half, while only raising unemployment a few points resulting in deeper depression.
Please, tell us where you want to make the cuts. That's why this conversation sounds like a broken record. We never get to the answer.
Pick up a recent issue of Esquire; they have a panel that balances the budget using means that sound very pragmatic; but in the context of politics; probably not realistic. Some good stuff. Raising the retirement age to 70 was one of the ideas; revamping the military--something that we could do tomorrow was another. Of course balancing the budget is just a small step toward getting out of debt. It would take several years under the most apolitical of environments.
No need to pick up the magazine. There is a link.
Balance the Budget Findings - How to Balance the Federal Budget - Esquire
And they recommend that the current Health Care Reform Package remain as is..
Pick up a recent issue of Esquire; they have a panel that balances the budget using means that sound very pragmatic; but in the context of politics; probably not realistic. Some good stuff. Raising the retirement age to 70 was one of the ideas; revamping the military--something that we could do tomorrow was another. Of course balancing the budget is just a small step toward getting out of debt. It would take several years under the most apolitical of environments.
No need to pick up the magazine. There is a link.
Balance the Budget Findings - How to Balance the Federal Budget - Esquire
And they recommend that the current Health Care Reform Package remain as is..
Does the Tea Party read Esquire???
As opposed to Obama.
I think the Tea party are going to be a disaster in Washington. They have no idea what they are doing and have managed to fool a lot of people into believing they have the answers to the problems facing America today. They don't , and people are gonna find that out soon enough.
It's astounding the number of people who want to turn over their liberties to government. Freedom frightens them. They want to be subjects, not citizens.Your campaigns were full of rhetoric and bumper sticker slogans. Now that you have actually been elected it is time to put some meat on those bones.
Its easy to say "cut spending" "eliminate waste" "end earmarks"....now you have to actually do it. What are you going to cut? What will be the impact of those cuts? What will happen if they cut the Social Security, Medicare ?
How does a Tea Party candidate get things done in Washington? It is still the same old city.
I think they are in for a rude awakening and will be the same old Washington insiders they campaigned so hard against
I think the Tea party are going to be a disaster in Washington. They have no idea what they are doing and have managed to fool a lot of people into believing they have the answers to the problems facing America today. They don't , and people are gonna find that out soon enough.
Liberty is the answer to the problems facing America today.
That's exactly what Obama's done. Tuesday, he was sent to the corner.Keep in mind that the Tea Party has only been in existence for two years. As they arrive in Washington, I expect they will act like two year olds and scream and throw tantrums when they don't get their way.
Like a two year old they will have to learn how to get along with others or be sent to the corner
You think you're in my chain of command? Well, that's amusing. You are, but not directly. If you're considering the idea of ordering me to agree with you, go ahead, but you'll only be disappointed.Hmm that's weird, my other employees don't talk to me that way. But I digress.
No frustration. The policies and programs you support show you want the government to run individual lives.Why do you do this to me Dave? You lead into into a discussion with some civility, like we can actually have a healthy debate, then you get frustrated and say something like "Some of us don't need nannies."
If DoD decides we don't need the base or the equipment produced by the factory in Utah, then Hatch had best go along with it. DoD knows how better to manage our nation's defense than any Congressman.No doubt. Now tell that to Congress. Tell, say, Orin Hatch that we don't need that facility/base/manufacturer/etc. in Utah any longer. Do you think he's going to say "sure - whatever is best for our military and our country"?And that's why DoD's needs are more important than Congress'.The problem is that they have spread Defense $$$ to all 50 states and none of them want it to end. Just another form of welfare.
Nonsense.As opposed to Obama.
Obama's been opposed at every turn, never given a chance to do what he set out to. The Republicans have been disgraceful in their treatment of the man. Maybe it's not a colour thing, but they have let their hatred of Obama cloud any co-operation that could have been achieved. For instance, the vile lies about healthcare which led to the public option fiasco.
As opposed to Obama.
Obama's been opposed at every turn, never given a chance to do what he set out to. The Republicans have been disgraceful in their treatment of the man. Maybe it's not a colour thing, but they have let their hatred of Obama cloud any co-operation that could have been achieved. For instance, the vile lies about healthcare which led to the public option fiasco.
And what will you say when none or most of what you say NEEDS to happen doesn't happen??
Furthermore, several on the right are against socialism and SS and medicare are socialist programs that many believe either need to be done away with, stripped away to almost nothing or privatized into nonexistence. So how can you honestly claim that "NO ONE" is going to cut them when a large portion of republicans are against such socialist big government programs??
It will happen.
Let's see a Republican concensus that they want to cut SS and/or medicare. It should be easy since you claim a large portion of them do.
LOL Thanks for the baseless and sunbstanceless prediction nostradumbass but I did ask a question however, I see that you avoided it. Imagine that.
Furthermore, it is a simple conclusion to make when the tea party movement was all about antisocialism which spread throughout the party, especially when you consider that the SS and medicare are socialist programs. How can you be both for and against socialism??
The HC bill does not provide taxpayer funded insurance. It is responsible for 0.0% of the current deficit. If your argument is that it will result in deficit in the future, speculate away. But so far you have not addressed the current deficit, not one bit.
Any other suggestions?
I didn't bring up the "uninsured" you did.
Get your head out of your ass and pay attention!
According to the CBO. Obamacare will add 109 Billion to the deficit over ten years.
So defunding Obamacare and then repealing it, we will avoid adding 109 billion to the deficit. You people are stupid.
Lucky for me I got work to do.
Adios!
I'm sorry, but where the hell exactly did I bring up the uninsured?
Edit: OHHH I see... No that original post should have read "Unemployed," not "Uninsured."
oh look!
17 pages of posts and how did rightwinger do getting reasonable and rational answers to the simplest of questions "What are you going to cut?"?
Does the tea party read?Pick up a recent issue of Esquire; they have a panel that balances the budget using means that sound very pragmatic; but in the context of politics; probably not realistic. Some good stuff. Raising the retirement age to 70 was one of the ideas; revamping the military--something that we could do tomorrow was another. Of course balancing the budget is just a small step toward getting out of debt. It would take several years under the most apolitical of environments.
No need to pick up the magazine. There is a link.
Balance the Budget Findings - How to Balance the Federal Budget - Esquire
And they recommend that the current Health Care Reform Package remain as is..
Does the Tea Party read Esquire???
If DoD decides we don't need the base or the equipment produced by the factory in Utah, then Hatch had best go along with it. DoD knows how better to manage our nation's defense than any Congressman.No doubt. Now tell that to Congress. Tell, say, Orin Hatch that we don't need that facility/base/manufacturer/etc. in Utah any longer. Do you think he's going to say "sure - whatever is best for our military and our country"?And that's why DoD's needs are more important than Congress'.
