OK Tea Party....Time to belly up to the bar

[daveman]

How do you think you did? Is that $1.3 trillion worth? Do we have our balanced budget?

Oh, no. That was just a start.

And I know the government is not supposed to be a jobs program, but it doesn't change the fact that unemployment would rise and we'd all suffer as a consequence...

So you're not willing to decrease the size of the government.

Doing so now would have severe repercussions; severe to the point that it's not even worth discussing because the BOGSATs won't let it happen. When the economy is burgeoning, perhaps. But predictably, no it's not a big priority of mine. I don't find the size of government to be overwhelmingly large or over burdensome. I'm also of the opinion that some things are better handled in the public interest; And yes that means the government.

Some of us don't need nannies.

 

[Cuyo]

Oh, no. That was just a start.

So you're not willing to decrease the size of the government.

Doing so now would have severe repercussions; severe to the point that it's not even worth discussing because the BOGSATs won't let it happen. When the economy is burgeoning, perhaps. But predictably, no it's not a big priority of mine. I don't find the size of government to be overwhelmingly large or over burdensome. I'm also of the opinion that some things are better handled in the public interest; And yes that means the government.

Some of us don't need nannies.

Very mature! Yet you, like everyone else, count on government commons every day.

edit: If I'm remembering correctly, aren't you a public servant yourself? YOU'RE WELCOME.

 

[candycorn]

I don't think anyone is going to tell Rand Paul what to do, or how to do it. If you think he's going to go up to Washington and disappear, you have a VERY rude awakening coming.

Being visible and being effective are two different things. If anything is going to get passed that he wants, he has to agree with at least 49 other Senators. Don't kid yourself.

 

[candycorn]

I too will be interested in seeing what the revived GOP will do with its control over the House.

I suspect that our TEA PARTY folks are going to be sorely disappointed when they finally realize that its going to be business as usual in Washington.

They are going to be, much as the right wing evangelists were, shocked when they see that the RNC leopard isn't going to change its spots.

But time will tell.

I see gridlock.

And before some of you cheer that gridlock, know that gridlock means that the tax cuts will automatically be repealed, and that the Obama HC plan will go into effect, too.

There's soemthing there for everybody to hate.

Sadly, I think you're right; gridlock!

Our system of government only works when there is a basic trust in the POTUS. In this environment of total mis-trust and robot like allegiance to EVERYTHING but the Republic for which the flag stands; it is positively dysfunctional.

Either we change the Constitution or find that trust once more or this nation is doomed.

 

[candycorn]

Your campaigns were full of rhetoric and bumper sticker slogans. Now that you have actually been elected it is time to put some meat on those bones.

Its easy to say "cut spending" "eliminate waste" "end earmarks"....now you have to actually do it. What are you going to cut? What will be the impact of those cuts? What will happen if they cut the Social Security, Medicare ?

How does a Tea Party candidate get things done in Washington? it is still the same old city.

I think they are in for a rude awakening and will be the same old Washington insiders they campaigned so hard against

Stop being so paranoid. No one is going to cut social security or medicare. What will happen and needs to , is to extend Bush' tax cuts, freeze spending, defund Obamacare and other wasteful programs like NPR.

Freeze spending where? And what do we do with the additional uninsured that will result? Non-military discretionary is about $610 Billion. If you wipe out the entire government, less mandatory programs and military, you can cut the deficit in half, while only raising unemployment a few points resulting in deeper depression.

Please, tell us where you want to make the cuts. That's why this conversation sounds like a broken record. We never get to the answer.

Pick up a recent issue of Esquire; they have a panel that balances the budget using means that sound very pragmatic; but in the context of politics; probably not realistic. Some good stuff. Raising the retirement age to 70 was one of the ideas; revamping the military--something that we could do tomorrow was another. Of course balancing the budget is just a small step toward getting out of debt. It would take several years under the most apolitical of environments.

 

[Jroc]

They already have a plan Paul Ryan is a genus on this stuff..read it an learn something.

A Roadmap for America's Future | The Budget Committee Republicans

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Your campaigns were full of rhetoric and bumper sticker slogans. Now that you have actually been elected it is time to put some meat on those bones.

Its easy to say "cut spending" "eliminate waste" "end earmarks"....now you have to actually do it. What are you going to cut? What will be the impact of those cuts? What will happen if they cut the Social Security, Medicare ?

How does a Tea Party candidate get things done in Washington? It is still the same old city.

I think they are in for a rude awakening and will be the same old Washington insiders they campaigned so hard against

Why do you throw social security and medicare out there like that?

you do realize those are 2 programs that you actually PAY INTO your entire life then get the money back.

Anyway they get things done by not comprimising on those principles. Even if things dont go the way they want as long as they stick to the principles of lower taxes and smaller government in their votes and any proposed legislation they will be safe for re-election next time. If they dont they will be gone.

 

[Synthaholic]

That was just a start, as I said. There are more liberal programs I'd cut.

But to please the liberals, I would change defense acquisition. Far too much waste. I would have Congress listen more to DoD when deciding defense appropriations than to Congressmen with defense contractors in their home states. If the USAF says they don't need any more C-17s, don't make them to buy any more. That forces the AF to hire more people to fly and maintain them, taking money from other programs.

The problem is that they have spread Defense $$$ to all 50 states and none of them want it to end. Just another form of welfare.

 

[Revere]

Is defense the only budget item that counts toward the deficit?

 

[HUGGY]

Oh, no. That was just a start.

So you're not willing to decrease the size of the government.

Doing so now would have severe repercussions; severe to the point that it's not even worth discussing because the BOGSATs won't let it happen. When the economy is burgeoning, perhaps. But predictably, no it's not a big priority of mine. I don't find the size of government to be overwhelmingly large or over burdensome. I'm also of the opinion that some things are better handled in the public interest; And yes that means the government.

Some of us don't need nannies.

Wow! A real genuine frontiersman. People ever get pissed off at you for trail blazin through their property? Live off the land do you? No fancy shit like running water and sewer for you right sport? No need to use the public roads cuz you don't roll like that. Cops? Fire department? That shits for pussies. So what are you doing on the internet Daniel Boone? This here is public domain. Don't tell me ya made your own radio out of twigs and animal parts and fudged a little tapping into the public airways. That must be how ya learned about the internets. Gotta hand it to ya though..I've built rudimentary radios but don't think I could build a computer from foraged debris. Why is it that you have a computer anyway? You don't need any people for anything so why are you communicating. I don't want to be your wet nurse and hear about your self sufficiant lifestyle any more than you want to share the cost of my nanny.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Your campaigns were full of rhetoric and bumper sticker slogans. Now that you have actually been elected it is time to put some meat on those bones.

Its easy to say "cut spending" "eliminate waste" "end earmarks"....now you have to actually do it. What are you going to cut? What will be the impact of those cuts? What will happen if they cut the Social Security, Medicare ?

How does a Tea Party candidate get things done in Washington? It is still the same old city.

I think they are in for a rude awakening and will be the same old Washington insiders they campaigned so hard against

You will get few if any reasonable responses. The Tea Party Kooks are incapable of rational conversation. Too much caffeine and tannin.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

oh look!

17 pages of posts and how did rightwinger do getting reasonable and rational answers to the simplest of questions "What are you going to cut?"?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Revere posts

It's not the "same old city." Obama has made it bigger and more powerful than every before.
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"Yes, We Can". I believe that summed up Obama's campaign. Never did answer the 'can what?' thing... but we know now... and we just told him 'no, you can't'.

Live with it.

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Poor Intense posts

Me Personally. I'd work on fair labor laws. Union's out of Government completely.

Government Salaries and hours worked per week is questionable. Extended vacation time. Waste Waste Waste.


what percentage of what fraction of the budget would those cuts (using 'cuts' loosely -- labor laws? )?

but Intense gets credit for the effort.

 

[daveman]

Doing so now would have severe repercussions; severe to the point that it's not even worth discussing because the BOGSATs won't let it happen. When the economy is burgeoning, perhaps. But predictably, no it's not a big priority of mine. I don't find the size of government to be overwhelmingly large or over burdensome. I'm also of the opinion that some things are better handled in the public interest; And yes that means the government.

Some of us don't need nannies.

Very mature! Yet you, like everyone else, count on government commons every day.

edit: If I'm remembering correctly, aren't you a public servant yourself? YOU'RE WELCOME.

Ahhh, another mindless leftist claiming military service is support of socialism.

What a tool.

There's only two things wrong with that singularly stupid point of view: I earn my pay and benefits, and defense spending is mandated by the Constitution.

 

[daveman]

That was just a start, as I said. There are more liberal programs I'd cut.

But to please the liberals, I would change defense acquisition. Far too much waste. I would have Congress listen more to DoD when deciding defense appropriations than to Congressmen with defense contractors in their home states. If the USAF says they don't need any more C-17s, don't make them to buy any more. That forces the AF to hire more people to fly and maintain them, taking money from other programs.

The problem is that they have spread Defense $$$ to all 50 states and none of them want it to end. Just another form of welfare.

And that's why DoD's needs are more important than Congress'.

 

[daveman]

Is defense the only budget item that counts toward the deficit?

Hey! That's good money that could be going to buy Democrat vot -- errr, "helping those less fortunate"!

 

[daveman]

Doing so now would have severe repercussions; severe to the point that it's not even worth discussing because the BOGSATs won't let it happen. When the economy is burgeoning, perhaps. But predictably, no it's not a big priority of mine. I don't find the size of government to be overwhelmingly large or over burdensome. I'm also of the opinion that some things are better handled in the public interest; And yes that means the government.

Some of us don't need nannies.

Wow! A real genuine frontiersman. People ever get pissed off at you for trail blazin through their property? Live off the land do you? No fancy shit like running water and sewer for you right sport? No need to use the public roads cuz you don't roll like that. Cops? Fire department? That shits for pussies. So what are you doing on the internet Daniel Boone? This here is public domain. Don't tell me ya made your own radio out of twigs and animal parts and fudged a little tapping into the public airways. That must be how ya learned about the internets. Gotta hand it to ya though..I've built rudimentary radios but don't think I could build a computer from foraged debris. Why is it that you have a computer anyway? You don't need any people for anything so why are you communicating. I don't want to be your wet nurse and hear about your self sufficiant lifestyle any more than you want to share the cost of my nanny.

*yawn* Just because you're incapable of making decisions about your life doesn't mean everyone else is.

 

[daveman]

Your campaigns were full of rhetoric and bumper sticker slogans. Now that you have actually been elected it is time to put some meat on those bones.

Its easy to say "cut spending" "eliminate waste" "end earmarks"....now you have to actually do it. What are you going to cut? What will be the impact of those cuts? What will happen if they cut the Social Security, Medicare ?

How does a Tea Party candidate get things done in Washington? It is still the same old city.

I think they are in for a rude awakening and will be the same old Washington insiders they campaigned so hard against

You will get few if any reasonable responses. The Tea Party Kooks are incapable of rational conversation. Too much caffeine and tannin.

oh look!

17 pages of posts and how did rightwinger do getting reasonable and rational answers to the simplest of questions "What are you going to cut?"?

 

[rightwinger]

Your campaigns were full of rhetoric and bumper sticker slogans. Now that you have actually been elected it is time to put some meat on those bones.

Its easy to say "cut spending" "eliminate waste" "end earmarks"....now you have to actually do it. What are you going to cut? What will be the impact of those cuts? What will happen if they cut the Social Security, Medicare ?

How does a Tea Party candidate get things done in Washington? It is still the same old city.

I think they are in for a rude awakening and will be the same old Washington insiders they campaigned so hard against

Why do you throw social security and medicare out there like that?

you do realize those are 2 programs that you actually PAY INTO your entire life then get the money back.

Anyway they get things done by not comprimising on those principles. Even if things dont go the way they want as long as they stick to the principles of lower taxes and smaller government in their votes and any proposed legislation they will be safe for re-election next time. If they dont they will be gone.

I included Social Security and Medicare because both need serious refinancing to remain viable. They both still involve money coming out of our pockets.
While we are balancing the budget we also need to.....whats the word?........Man-up....... and fix Social Security

Raising the retirement age for those under 50 to 70 is a good start.

You don't get your money back from Social Security or Medicare. Your money is gone. It went to pay for current retirees. You have to rely on contributions from your childrens and grandchildrens generation

 

[magnum]

Your campaigns were full of rhetoric and bumper sticker slogans. Now that you have actually been elected it is time to put some meat on those bones.

Its easy to say "cut spending" "eliminate waste" "end earmarks"....now you have to actually do it. What are you going to cut? What will be the impact of those cuts? What will happen if they cut the Social Security, Medicare ?

How does a Tea Party candidate get things done in Washington? It is still the same old city.

I think they are in for a rude awakening and will be the same old Washington insiders they campaigned so hard against

I think the Tea party are going to be a disaster in Washington. They have no idea what they are doing and have managed to fool a lot of people into believing they have the answers to the problems facing America today. They don't , and people are gonna find that out soon enough.