Open Letter From Ukraine Jewish Community

[tinydancer]

Here are the plum positions to you know, those nobodies ....

As University of Ottawa political scientist Ivan Katchanovski writes: “The far right in Ukraine has now achieved the level of representation and influence that is unparalleled in Europe.

A member of Svoboda, a name adopted by the Social-National Party in 2004, became the Minister of Defense.

Svoboda members also control the prosecutor general office, the deputy prime minister position and the ministries of ecology and agriculture.

The paramilitary right sector has de facto power at least in some Western Ukrainian regions, such as the Rivne and Volyn Regions.

Anriy Parubiy, the commander of the “Maidan self-defense,” has been appointed the head of the National Security and Defense Council, and [Dmitro] Yarosh, the leader of Right Sector, is expected to become his deputy.”

Can Ukraine Control Its Far Right Ultranationalists? - The Daily Beast

 

[The T]

An FYI for those who are interested.

It sure does rhyme: US reaction to Moscow aggression echoes Carter's in 1980 | Fox News

The president's press secretary fumed, saying that the recent incursion by Moscow posed "a serious threat to peace."

The president himself declared that the invasion severely damaged the relationship between Moscow and Washington. The U.S. intended to send a strong message and canceled some diplomatic negotiations.

"Aggression, unopposed, becomes a contagious disease," said the president. "This is a power violation of international law and the United Nations Charter."

The U.S. prepared economic penalties, focused on trade and financial consequences.

"These new policies are being and will be coordinated with those of our allies," said the president.

It is said that history doesn't repeat itself. But it sure does rhyme.

Which is why all of this seems so familiar. All of this, being the current diplomatic/political/military quagmire over Ukraine.

The above depicts the machinations of President Jimmy Carter and his Press Secretary Jody Powell in January, 1980. The Soviet Union had just invaded Afghanistan. That sent the U.S. and the international community scrambling to figure out what to do.

One front in the current Ukraine crisis centers on Crimea where Russian forces seized control of the region. Another front is unfolding in Paris and Rome as Secretary of State John Kerry is trying to forge an agreement with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. And the third front in this dilemma is playing out before the United States Congress.

Today marks the most-pivotal day on Capitol Hill since Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin dispatched forces into Ukraine last week.

I understand they're going to hold an election in May...Why not send Carter to monitor the election?

 

[tinydancer]

So what's the main point and what are you all proposing? Intervention? If so, who should we side with, Ukraine or Russia?

I'll take Door #3 Monty

Stay out of it. Offer moral support if they want to but stop chest thumping. Allow diplomacy to take place.

And most important of all. This crew in Kiev wanted to join the EU. The EU wanted this group to join them.

So my contention is keep my freaking tax dollars out of it.



Let the EU pay for this switch.

 

[tinydancer]

An FYI for those who are interested.

It sure does rhyme: US reaction to Moscow aggression echoes Carter's in 1980 | Fox News

The president's press secretary fumed, saying that the recent incursion by Moscow posed "a serious threat to peace."

The president himself declared that the invasion severely damaged the relationship between Moscow and Washington. The U.S. intended to send a strong message and canceled some diplomatic negotiations.

"Aggression, unopposed, becomes a contagious disease," said the president. "This is a power violation of international law and the United Nations Charter."

The U.S. prepared economic penalties, focused on trade and financial consequences.

"These new policies are being and will be coordinated with those of our allies," said the president.

It is said that history doesn't repeat itself. But it sure does rhyme.

Which is why all of this seems so familiar. All of this, being the current diplomatic/political/military quagmire over Ukraine.

The above depicts the machinations of President Jimmy Carter and his Press Secretary Jody Powell in January, 1980. The Soviet Union had just invaded Afghanistan. That sent the U.S. and the international community scrambling to figure out what to do.

One front in the current Ukraine crisis centers on Crimea where Russian forces seized control of the region. Another front is unfolding in Paris and Rome as Secretary of State John Kerry is trying to forge an agreement with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. And the third front in this dilemma is playing out before the United States Congress.

Today marks the most-pivotal day on Capitol Hill since Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin dispatched forces into Ukraine last week.

I understand they're going to hold an election in May...Why not send Carter to monitor the election?

They have an equivalent to Carter's observers within the EU. I don't know how anyone though could monitor these elections without one side or another calling foul.

Think about it. Carters people = US intervention

EU observers = EU intervention

It's a lose lose.

 

[Decus]

Move to the region before offering advice.

 

[The T]

An FYI for those who are interested.

It sure does rhyme: US reaction to Moscow aggression echoes Carter's in 1980 | Fox News

The president's press secretary fumed, saying that the recent incursion by Moscow posed "a serious threat to peace."

The president himself declared that the invasion severely damaged the relationship between Moscow and Washington. The U.S. intended to send a strong message and canceled some diplomatic negotiations.

"Aggression, unopposed, becomes a contagious disease," said the president. "This is a power violation of international law and the United Nations Charter."

The U.S. prepared economic penalties, focused on trade and financial consequences.

"These new policies are being and will be coordinated with those of our allies," said the president.

It is said that history doesn't repeat itself. But it sure does rhyme.

Which is why all of this seems so familiar. All of this, being the current diplomatic/political/military quagmire over Ukraine.

The above depicts the machinations of President Jimmy Carter and his Press Secretary Jody Powell in January, 1980. The Soviet Union had just invaded Afghanistan. That sent the U.S. and the international community scrambling to figure out what to do.

One front in the current Ukraine crisis centers on Crimea where Russian forces seized control of the region. Another front is unfolding in Paris and Rome as Secretary of State John Kerry is trying to forge an agreement with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. And the third front in this dilemma is playing out before the United States Congress.

Today marks the most-pivotal day on Capitol Hill since Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin dispatched forces into Ukraine last week.

I understand they're going to hold an election in May...Why not send Carter to monitor the election?

They have an equivalent to Carter's observers within the EU. I don't know how anyone though could monitor these elections without one side or another calling foul.

Think about it. Carters people = US intervention

EU observers = EU intervention

It's a lose lose.

Kind of what I was alluding to hon.

 

[Edgetho]

Well, those dirty Joos are at it again.

9 Wounded Ukrainians To Be Brought To Israeli Hospitals

No it can’t be, not the evil Joooos.

Via JPost

Nine severely wounded Ukrainians who were hurt in the political clashes will be brought to Israel on a special plane organized by the Jewish community in Kiev, Israel Radio reported Friday.

All nine protesters suffered from gunshot wounds and will be treated at Hadassah University Medical Center in Jerusalem and Kaplan Medical Center in Rehovot.

An emergency volunteer committee arranged the operation at the central syngagogue in Kiev until midnight, Alexander Levin, the president of the World Forum of Russian-Speaking Jewry, told Israel Radio.

Despite recent unrest and the presence of Russian forces in Ukraine’s Crimea region, Russia announced on Friday that there will be no war with Ukraine.

The parliament in Ukraine’s southern Crimea region said on Thursday it would hold a referendum on whether the region should join Russia on March 16.

Yeah

 

[Delta4Embassy]

If Russia's such a haven for Jews why did most leave for the US, Israel, and elsewhere once they were allowed to?

1990s Post-Soviet aliyah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Decus]

If Russia's such a haven for Jews why did most leave for the US, Israel, and elsewhere once they were allowed to?

1990s Post-Soviet aliyah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The article speaks of the Ukraine. You are right that under Russian rule Jews and any group deemed undesirable suffers greatly. Your argument would seem to support Russia getting the hell out of the Ukraine and Crimea.

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[candycorn]

I'm not critiquing what Obama has done but deciding not to get involved militarily was a good decision.

100% correct. Some have forgotten that you do not need a body count to have an effective foreign policy.

 

[Kosh]

I'm not critiquing what Obama has done but deciding not to get involved militarily was a good decision.

100% correct. Some have forgotten that you do not need a body count to have an effective foreign policy.

And the far left propaganda continues.

This was a pretty good thread until the far left showed up with their tired old talking points.