What would be the reaction of the armed militia if the Cliven Bundy family were Black? A Hispanic? A Muslim? Funny that scofflaws on the right are somehow OK guys but minority protesters criminals. Criminals are criminals and these armed scumbags are criminals. Laws exist for a reason.
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Oregon Occupation: Protesting A Tyrannical Regime
- Thread starter Mrs. M.
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Has the national guard been deployed yet?
I'm pretty sure Loretta Lynch is getting some tips from Janet Reno on how to handle this.
depotoo
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Actually, his harassment qnd first arrest happened under the Clinton regime.
No, he was convicted in a GOP regime..was suppose to live by a rule of law created during a GOP regime.....Yet only this regime is getting the heat..Can't you guess? It sure as hell ain't the Vatican.Which tyrannical regime are they protesting?
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What would be the reaction of the armed militia if Cliven Bundy family were Black? A Hispanic? A Muslim? Funny that scofflaws on the right are somehow OK guys but minority protesters criminals. Criminals are criminals and these armed scumbags are criminals. Laws exist for a reason.
What specious nonsense.
I suggest you read up on the facts and then try to think about it. The timeline of events is quite telling regarding the abuse of power by the Feds.
Full Story on What's Going on In Oregon - Militia Take Over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge In Protest to Hammond Family Persecution...
TheOldSchool
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Has the national guard been deployed yet?
I'm pretty sure Loretta Lynch is getting some tips from Janet Reno on how to handle this.
C_Clayton_Jones
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"Oregon Occupation: Protesting A Tyrannical Regime"
A ridiculous lie.
The Hammonds were afforded full and comprehensive due process.
They were found guilty in a court of law by a jury of their peers, and sentenced in accordance with the law.
Again, the fires they started were on public land, unauthorized by the BLM, and endangered the lives of firefighters battling other fires in the area.
This 'occupation' of Federal property is unjustified, unwarranted, illegal, and devoid of merit – no one has been subject to any 'abuse' on the part of the Federal government, no rights 'abridged' by the Federal government, no law 'violated' by the Federal government.
A ridiculous lie.
The Hammonds were afforded full and comprehensive due process.
They were found guilty in a court of law by a jury of their peers, and sentenced in accordance with the law.
Again, the fires they started were on public land, unauthorized by the BLM, and endangered the lives of firefighters battling other fires in the area.
This 'occupation' of Federal property is unjustified, unwarranted, illegal, and devoid of merit – no one has been subject to any 'abuse' on the part of the Federal government, no rights 'abridged' by the Federal government, no law 'violated' by the Federal government.
depotoo
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Being sued vs imprisoned? Please.
"The Bureau of Land Management uses the same method and has lost control of their own fires before but has never been put on trial for it."
Google: "bureau land management Lewiston residents sued"
and ask that this thread be moved to conspiracy forum. far too many factual errors posing as opinions. see 1 example above
Red River Landowners Take Battle with Feds to Court | The ...
www.texastribune.org/.../red-river-landowners-take-b...
The Texas Tribune
Nov 17, 2015 - Red River Landowners Lawsuit Against Feds: PDF (565.6 KB) download ... Seven families are suing the U.S. Bureau of Land Management in federal ... management scheme by 2018 at the earliest, frustrating residents who ...
Missing: lewiston
BLM Forecloses Oil Leasing, Utah Sues | The Daily Caller
dailycaller.com/.../bureau-of-land-management-foreclos...
The Daily Caller
Jun 11, 2014 - Utah is suing the federal Bureau of Land Management after it ... the Bureau of Land Management and residents of a western state, Utah is ...
Missing: lewiston
BLM sued for documents on Bundy standoff | Las Vegas ...
www.reviewjournal.com/...blm/blm-sued-doc...
Las Vegas Review‑Journal
Jun 12, 2014 - PEER lawsuit seeks BLM documents on Bundy incidents ... Don't you remember residents of Mesquite posting on this very site about how they ...
Missing: lewiston
Widow of firefighter sues BLM - The Lewiston Tribune ...
lmtribune.com/...sues-blm/article_240a7698-b4fc-5a68-a981-31298bc61b...
Jul 28, 1996 - ... by a blaze last summer is suing the U.S. Bureau of Land Management. ... ARTICLE: Guardians of disabled residents sue over forced moves ...
Errors Caused Lewiston Fire / Trainee planned controlled ...
www.sfgate.com/.../Errors-Caused-Lewiston-Fire...
San Francisco Chronicle
Jul 27, 1999 - BLM officials are seeking to increase the maximum amount of $25000 for ... so claims (from Lewiston residents) can exceed that," Dearing said.
[PDF]Glossaries of BLM surveying and mapping terms - Bureau of ...
www.blm.gov/or/gis/.../BLMglossary.pdf
Bureau of Land Management
ABSENTEE OWNER – By law, one cannot be both a resident and an absentee of a given area, state or .... common BLM usage, alienated lands are lands that have been patented. ... nontechnically, the term includes one who sues out a writ of error. ...... Montana – Billings, Dillon, Lewiston, Malta, Miles City and Missoula.
Small Claims - Nez Perce County
https://www.co.nezperce.id.us/.../SmallClaims.aspx
Nez Perce County
The small claims departments are informal courts which people can use to sue for small amounts of money or to recover personal property, up to $5,000 without ...
Fires reignite burnout controversy
www.redding.com › News
Redding Record Searchlight
May 1, 2009 - He said residents told him that burnout operations in the Trinity County fires last ... and firefighters to form Concerned Citizens for Responsible Fire Management. ... The Lowden Fire in Lewiston in 1999, an escaped Bureau of Land ... He's contemplating a lawsuit against the federal government, but he's ...
Lawsuits - Noise Pollution Clearinghouse
www.nonoise.org/news/law.htm
... decision by the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and Fallon Naval Station to place ... Stuart, Florida Attorney Wants to Land Private 737 at County Airport Despite ... Virginia Beach Residents Contemplate Lawsuit Against Government for Jet .... Department Reluctant to Approve Noise Mitigation Along a Lewiston Road; ...
Local & Regional | KLEW CBS 3 - News, Weather and ...
www.klewtv.com/news/local?pg=65&m=y
KLEW‑TV
Local · Bureau of Land Management pull permit from controversial Wolf Derby ... Local · Lohman Helicopter wants city council to rectify issue with Lewiston-Nez Perce Co. ... Local · “Festival of Trees” is holiday tradition for many valley residents (Video) ... Environmental groups and the Nez Perce Tribe are suing to prevent ...
TheOldSchool
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Do you mean the massive subsidies?BLM is doing everything in their imaginary play book to try to take away rights that had been afforded ranchers for more than a century. They could care less about the family businesses they are destroying. It is sickening.
------------------ well , at least these Americans doing the protests pay the taxes to build the 'blm' buildings that they occupy OldSchool .They've captured more federal buildings in the homeland than Muslims.any stoneings, beheadings, drownings, rape yet? Oh yea these guys are not muslims.
TheOldSchool
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Uh... no they don't. That's sort of Bundy's whole thing...------------------ well , at least these Americans doing the protests pay the taxes to build the 'blm' buildings that they occupy OldSchool .They've captured more federal buildings in the homeland than Muslims.any stoneings, beheadings, drownings, rape yet? Oh yea these guys are not muslims.
CremeBrulee
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Since when have the Hammonds and Bundys been close friends? Most of the articles I have read indicate the Hammonds and Burns community in general don't want the Bundys and militias there. The outsiders are making an already unfortunate situation worse. Schools have been closed and the local law enforcement is receiving death threats.
As always, the OP leaves out information that doesn't fit her conspiratorial hyper-partisan narrative. The sentences stem from incidents in 2001 and 2006. They were appealed to the 9th Circuit and vacated for re-sentencing. The Supreme Court upheld this decision by refusing to hear the case. The pair have been re-sentenced with credit for time served.
Even the circumstances of these fires is questionable. The first fire is suspected of being a cover up for deer poaching on federal lands.
"Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson. The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations. After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands."
The second fire, good intentions or not, was reckless.
"An August lightning storm started numerous fires and a burn ban was in effect while BLM firefighters fought those fires. Despite the ban, without permission or notification to BLM, Steven Hammond started several “back fires” in an attempt save the ranch’s winter feed. The fires burned onto public land and were seen by BLM firefighters camped nearby. The firefighters took steps to ensure their safety and reported the arsons."
Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison | USAO-OR | Department of Justice
Add the Bundys to this event and it suddenly becomes a conspiracy in which the players are publicly claiming they will be assassinated if the subject is discussed in public. This editorial could have been done in a way that would have evoked some sympathy for the Hammond family in general. Instead, you cast an allusion to the President and supported it with wild conspiracies about federal agencies being unable to operate within the borders of the US and the BLM being a "Crown Corporation".
And please, please stop calling armed anti government militias and their supporters American patriots.
As always, the OP leaves out information that doesn't fit her conspiratorial hyper-partisan narrative. The sentences stem from incidents in 2001 and 2006. They were appealed to the 9th Circuit and vacated for re-sentencing. The Supreme Court upheld this decision by refusing to hear the case. The pair have been re-sentenced with credit for time served.
Even the circumstances of these fires is questionable. The first fire is suspected of being a cover up for deer poaching on federal lands.
"Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson. The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations. After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands."
The second fire, good intentions or not, was reckless.
"An August lightning storm started numerous fires and a burn ban was in effect while BLM firefighters fought those fires. Despite the ban, without permission or notification to BLM, Steven Hammond started several “back fires” in an attempt save the ranch’s winter feed. The fires burned onto public land and were seen by BLM firefighters camped nearby. The firefighters took steps to ensure their safety and reported the arsons."
Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison | USAO-OR | Department of Justice
Add the Bundys to this event and it suddenly becomes a conspiracy in which the players are publicly claiming they will be assassinated if the subject is discussed in public. This editorial could have been done in a way that would have evoked some sympathy for the Hammond family in general. Instead, you cast an allusion to the President and supported it with wild conspiracies about federal agencies being unable to operate within the borders of the US and the BLM being a "Crown Corporation".
And please, please stop calling armed anti government militias and their supporters American patriots.
Compost
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You are unable to read English?Which crime did they not commit?Let's see if I understand the details. They had permission to burn the area. Therefore it was not arson. Still, not only did they serve time in prison for a crime they didn't commit they are now supposed to return to prison because it's been decided the prison term wasn't enough?! Meanwhile, there is government skullduggery involving an elastic definition of "public land"..
And some people can't fathom why anyone would object to this? If this isn't tyranny, what is?
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Compost
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Who said skin color makes a difference? Oh yeah. Just you.What would be the reaction of the armed militia if the Cliven Bundy family were Black? A Hispanic? A Muslim? Funny that scofflaws on the right are somehow OK guys but minority protesters criminals. Criminals are criminals and these armed scumbags are criminals. Laws exist for a reason.
Statistikhengst
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It's my mother-tongue, idiot. You made a claim. Onus is on you to back it up.You are unable to read English?Which crime did they not commit?Let's see if I understand the details. They had permission to burn the area. Therefore it was not arson. Still, not only did they serve time in prison for a crime they didn't commit they are now supposed to return to prison because it's been decided the prison term wasn't enough?! Meanwhile, there is government skullduggery involving an elastic definition of "public land"..
And some people can't fathom why anyone would object to this? If this isn't tyranny, what is?
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Compost
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You claim it's your mother tongue but your comprehension is woefully lacking. They had permission to burn. Arson is the crime they did not commit.It's my mother-tongue, idiot. You made a claim. Onus is on you to back it up.You are unable to read English?Which crime did they not commit?Let's see if I understand the details. They had permission to burn the area. Therefore it was not arson. Still, not only did they serve time in prison for a crime they didn't commit they are now supposed to return to prison because it's been decided the prison term wasn't enough?! Meanwhile, there is government skullduggery involving an elastic definition of "public land"..
And some people can't fathom why anyone would object to this? If this isn't tyranny, what is?
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CremeBrulee
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The offenders in question claim they had permission. The government maintains the first fire was set to cover a crime and the second was done without permission. There was a burn ban in effect while crews were fighting wildfires. It doesn't seem likely anyone would have given them permission to do a controlled burn.You claim it's your mother tongue but your comprehension is woefully lacking. They had permission to burn. Arson is the crime they did not commit.It's my mother-tongue, idiot. You made a claim. Onus is on you to back it up.You are unable to read English?Which crime did they not commit?Let's see if I understand the details. They had permission to burn the area. Therefore it was not arson. Still, not only did they serve time in prison for a crime they didn't commit they are now supposed to return to prison because it's been decided the prison term wasn't enough?! Meanwhile, there is government skullduggery involving an elastic definition of "public land"..
And some people can't fathom why anyone would object to this? If this isn't tyranny, what is?
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C_Clayton_Jones
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Correct.The offenders in question claim they had permission. The government maintains the first fire was set to cover a crime and the second was done without permission. There was a burn ban in effect while crews were fighting wildfires. It doesn't seem likely anyone would have given them permission to do a controlled burn.You claim it's your mother tongue but your comprehension is woefully lacking. They had permission to burn. Arson is the crime they did not commit.It's my mother-tongue, idiot. You made a claim. Onus is on you to back it up.You are unable to read English?Which crime did they not commit?Let's see if I understand the details. They had permission to burn the area. Therefore it was not arson. Still, not only did they serve time in prison for a crime they didn't commit they are now supposed to return to prison because it's been decided the prison term wasn't enough?! Meanwhile, there is government skullduggery involving an elastic definition of "public land"..
And some people can't fathom why anyone would object to this? If this isn't tyranny, what is?
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In fact they had no such permission, as determined by a jury in a court of law.
The OP meant that the federal government has never sued or punished the Bureau of Land Management.Get with the program and keep up with the grownups. Why do you want this thread put in the FZ or Conspiracy Theories? You're in the real world now."The Bureau of Land Management uses the same method and has lost control of their own fires before but has never been put on trial for it."
Google: "bureau land management Lewiston residents sued"
and ask that this thread be moved to conspiracy forum. far too many factual errors posing as opinions. see 1 example above
Red River Landowners Take Battle with Feds to Court | The ...
www.texastribune.org/.../red-river-landowners-take-b...
The Texas Tribune
Nov 17, 2015 - Red River Landowners Lawsuit Against Feds: PDF (565.6 KB) download ... Seven families are suing the U.S. Bureau of Land Management in federal ... management scheme by 2018 at the earliest, frustrating residents who ...
Missing: lewiston
BLM Forecloses Oil Leasing, Utah Sues | The Daily Caller
dailycaller.com/.../bureau-of-land-management-foreclos...
The Daily Caller
Jun 11, 2014 - Utah is suing the federal Bureau of Land Management after it ... the Bureau of Land Management and residents of a western state, Utah is ...
Missing: lewiston
BLM sued for documents on Bundy standoff | Las Vegas ...
www.reviewjournal.com/...blm/blm-sued-doc...
Las Vegas Review‑Journal
Jun 12, 2014 - PEER lawsuit seeks BLM documents on Bundy incidents ... Don't you remember residents of Mesquite posting on this very site about how they ...
Missing: lewiston
Widow of firefighter sues BLM - The Lewiston Tribune ...
lmtribune.com/...sues-blm/article_240a7698-b4fc-5a68-a981-31298bc61b...
Jul 28, 1996 - ... by a blaze last summer is suing the U.S. Bureau of Land Management. ... ARTICLE: Guardians of disabled residents sue over forced moves ...
Errors Caused Lewiston Fire / Trainee planned controlled ...
www.sfgate.com/.../Errors-Caused-Lewiston-Fire...
San Francisco Chronicle
Jul 27, 1999 - BLM officials are seeking to increase the maximum amount of $25000 for ... so claims (from Lewiston residents) can exceed that," Dearing said.
[PDF]Glossaries of BLM surveying and mapping terms - Bureau of ...
www.blm.gov/or/gis/.../BLMglossary.pdf
Bureau of Land Management
ABSENTEE OWNER – By law, one cannot be both a resident and an absentee of a given area, state or .... common BLM usage, alienated lands are lands that have been patented. ... nontechnically, the term includes one who sues out a writ of error. ...... Montana – Billings, Dillon, Lewiston, Malta, Miles City and Missoula.
Small Claims - Nez Perce County
https://www.co.nezperce.id.us/.../SmallClaims.aspx
Nez Perce County
The small claims departments are informal courts which people can use to sue for small amounts of money or to recover personal property, up to $5,000 without ...
Fires reignite burnout controversy
www.redding.com › News
Redding Record Searchlight
May 1, 2009 - He said residents told him that burnout operations in the Trinity County fires last ... and firefighters to form Concerned Citizens for Responsible Fire Management. ... The Lowden Fire in Lewiston in 1999, an escaped Bureau of Land ... He's contemplating a lawsuit against the federal government, but he's ...
Lawsuits - Noise Pollution Clearinghouse
www.nonoise.org/news/law.htm
... decision by the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and Fallon Naval Station to place ... Stuart, Florida Attorney Wants to Land Private 737 at County Airport Despite ... Virginia Beach Residents Contemplate Lawsuit Against Government for Jet .... Department Reluctant to Approve Noise Mitigation Along a Lewiston Road; ...
Local & Regional | KLEW CBS 3 - News, Weather and ...
www.klewtv.com/news/local?pg=65&m=y
KLEW‑TV
Local · Bureau of Land Management pull permit from controversial Wolf Derby ... Local · Lohman Helicopter wants city council to rectify issue with Lewiston-Nez Perce Co. ... Local · “Festival of Trees” is holiday tradition for many valley residents (Video) ... Environmental groups and the Nez Perce Tribe are suing to prevent ...
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