Oregon's lie, Green Energy and Wyoming's Coal Pollution

[elektra]

Can anything be more damaging to the environment then Coal Energy, well it seems that Oregon has no problem producing more and more pollution using Coal, just as long as it happens in Wyoming.

And what are we told, how does Oregon market itself, as a producer of Green Energy when in fact it imports more and more power from dirty Coal, every year.

Yet as if that is not horrifying enough, Oregon is selling taxpayer funded Green Energy to California at a profit!!!!!

Dictate the creation of a new industry, force citizens to buy a new expensive product, in a government ruled and regulated monopoly, well importing cheap Coal energy for the use of the government.

Anywhere else this would be considered Government Corruption

Why Oregon imports power from fossil fuels and exports renewable energy » News » OPB

Why Oregon imports power from fossil fuels and exports renewable energy

We hear a lot about new renewable energy projects in Oregon: geothermal, solar and wind projects galore. And that’s on top of hydropower – a renewable staple in the Northwest’s power supply.

But there’s a big difference between renewable energy production in Oregon and consumption. Rachel Shimshak, executive director of Renewable Northwest Project says renewable energy incentives have positioned Oregon well to attract new developments – especially wind projects. But less than a quarter of the 5,000 megawatts of wind power generated in Oregon is actually used here.

Where is all that wind energy going? And what are we using instead?

According to Ken Dragoon, senior resource analyst with the Northwest Power and Conservation Council, 30 to 40 percent of that wind energy goes to California to meet renewable energy mandates down there. Meanwhile, nearly 40 percent of Oregon’s electricity consumption comes from coal-fired power plants – many of which are in Wyoming and Montana. About 15 percent of the state’s power comes from natural gas.

With all the hydropower and renewable energy development in Oregon, Shimshak said, “it’s probably a surprise to most people that more than 45 percent of our electricity comes from fossil fuels.”

We hear a lot about new renewable energy projects in Oregon: geothermal, solar and wind projects galore. And that’s on top of hydropower – a renewable staple in the Northwest’s power supply.

But there’s a big difference between renewable energy production in Oregon and consumption. Rachel Shimshak, executive director of Renewable Northwest Project says renewable energy incentives have positioned Oregon well to attract new developments – especially wind projects. But less than a quarter of the 5,000 megawatts of wind power generated in Oregon is actually used here.

Where is all that wind energy going? And what are we using instead?

According to Ken Dragoon, senior resource analyst with the Northwest Power and Conservation Council, 30 to 40 percent of that wind energy goes to California to meet renewable energy mandates down there. Meanwhile, nearly 40 percent of Oregon’s electricity consumption comes from coal-fired power plants – many of which are in Wyoming and Montana. About 15 percent of the state’s power comes from natural gas.

With all the hydropower and renewable energy development in Oregon, Shimshak said, “it’s probably a surprise to most people that more than 45 percent of our electricity comes from fossil fuels.”

 

[Abraham3]

45 percent of Oregon's energy comes from fossil fuel? That's incredible. That would mean that 55% did not. That must be one of the highest rates of renewable energy use in the nation. Wow.

http://www.oregon.gov/energy/Pages/Oregons_Electric_Power_Mix.aspx

 

[elektra]

abraHAM, if I could help you with the math, 40+15=55%, from Coal and Natural gas

nearly 40 percent of Oregon’s electricity consumption comes from coal-fired power plants – many of which are in Wyoming and Montana. About 15 percent of the state’s power comes from natural gas

 

[elektra]

Now we learn Obama is fast tracking power lines from Coal rich Wyoming to Oregon. I bet they tell us this is for "Clean Green Energy", not that dirty Coal energy in which Wyoming produces so much of.

Emergency Electrical Transmission lines to States chasing expensive non-producing Green Energy projects that fail well the entire United States Taxpayer foots the bill.



Feds place two Wyoming transmission line projects on fast track

Feds place two Wyoming transmission line projects on fast track

October 06, 2011 6:30 am • By JOAN BARRON Star-Tribune capital bureau(0) Comments
The Obama administration moved Wednesday to speed up the permitting and construction of seven proposed electric transmission lines in 12 states, including two Wyoming projects

The projects are intended as pilot demonstrations of streamlined federal permitting and improved cooperation among federal, state and tribal governments, the administration said in a media release.

 

[skookerasbil]

45 percent of Oregon's energy comes from fossil fuel? That's incredible. That would mean that 55% did not. That must be one of the highest rates of renewable energy use in the nation. Wow.

Oregon Department of Energy Oregon's Power Mix

LMAO......thanks for putting it on a tee for me s0n!! >>>>







See that teeeeny weenie little patch of yellow on the graph??!!!!

 

[skookerasbil]

See these beautiful diesel locomotives??!!!




The make it possible for people in America to eat, particularly in the northeast!! There are tens of thousands of them on American railroads across the country on lines like BNSF, Norfolk-Southern, CSX, Union Pacific. They cant run on solar power.......have a lifespan of 30 years or more. Cost about 4 million per unit. They run on fossil fuels and sorry but its not going to change for decades!! The climate nutters don't navigate in the real world.......think its possible for a politician to get elected on a position of "Sorry but no more food for you fucks.....we gotta protect the environment!!!"

I so much love making fun of stoopid people

 

[Old Rocks]

Why Oregon imports power from fossil fuels and exports renewable energy » News » OPB

If other coal plants follow suit, Dragoon said, the coal-fired power that comes from Montana and Wyoming into Oregon could be replaced by wind power that peaks at different times from the wind power in the Northwest.

“Things are shifting around and changing a whole bunch,” said Dragoon. “If we end up changing out coal plants in Montana and Wyoming, it might open up transmission lines for wind to come into the Northwest. Montana and North Dakota are the Saudi Arabia of wind, but they’re very far away, and the transmission lines are full of coal.”

In fact, Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer suggested something along those lines at a wind energy conference in California last week.

“What we now know is the great wind resource in the Columbia River Gorge is exactly the opposite as the wind we have in central Montana,” Schweitzer said. “We have a transmission line that ties the two together – the wind that blows during the day and wind that peaks during the night. Our wind peaks at one time of the year. Their wind peaks at other time of the year. This is the holy grail of wind. We can burn wind on wind 75 percent of the time.”

 

[skookerasbil]

Why Oregon imports power from fossil fuels and exports renewable energy » News » OPB

If other coal plants follow suit, Dragoon said, the coal-fired power that comes from Montana and Wyoming into Oregon could be replaced by wind power that peaks at different times from the wind power in the Northwest.

“Things are shifting around and changing a whole bunch,” said Dragoon. “If we end up changing out coal plants in Montana and Wyoming, it might open up transmission lines for wind to come into the Northwest. Montana and North Dakota are the Saudi Arabia of wind, but they’re very far away, and the transmission lines are full of coal.”

In fact, Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer suggested something along those lines at a wind energy conference in California last week.

“What we now know is the great wind resource in the Columbia River Gorge is exactly the opposite as the wind we have in central Montana,” Schweitzer said. “We have a transmission line that ties the two together – the wind that blows during the day and wind that peaks during the night. Our wind peaks at one time of the year. Their wind peaks at other time of the year. This is the holy grail of wind. We can burn wind on wind 75 percent of the time.”

Although solar added nearly 3,000 megawatts of new capacity in 2013, it is important to remember that this is "nameplate capacity, not potential output. Solar plants only run at about 20 percent of nameplate capacity as opposed to 60-90 percent for fossil fuel plants and nuclear reactors. Nearly 85 percent of new solar capacity is in two states, California and Arizona. After many years of inactivity, two solar thermal plants were built in these two states, totaling 766 MW.


RealClearEnergy - Half of New Electric Capacity Built in 2013 Is Natural Gas


I believe in providing the whole story No offense Ray, but you know in this forum, Im like a Patriot Missile battery sitting in the middle of Pearl Harbor on December 7th, 1941!!

 

[elektra]

Nuclear, Coal, Natural Gas, Oil.

That is power. All four survive without Solar or Wind Power, yet Wind Power and Solar Power must have one of the four simply to operate.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Coal is one of the main causes of cancer. Think about that.

Anywhere there's high air pollution the cancer rate sky rockets.

 

[elektra]

Coal is one of the main causes of cancer. Think about that.

Anywhere there's high air pollution the cancer rate sky rockets.

And Oregon pollutes in Wyoming, buying Electricity produced by Coal, then Oregon creates more pollution by building Green Energy Plants, Solar and Wind. Spending $billions$. Yet completely falling short of the goal, to provide electricity to Industry and the people. Had Oregon invested in Nuclear power, the same amount of money, Oregon would not be polluting in Wyoming, well claiming to be Clean and Green.

Think about that, use cheap coal power from Wyoming, waste billions on green in Oregon, charge more to your customers well denigrating them for being polluters.

This generation are nothing but fools, they allow the politicians and global warming/green energy nuts to squander their standard of living.

We have literally spent trillions in the opposite direction that we need to.

 

[ScienceRocks]

I agree that we should be investing in nuclear and fusion.

 

[elektra]

I agree that we should be investing in nuclear and fusion.

I have seen that you have said that before.

The government in charge of research has taken research in the opposite direction that it needs to go.

 

[skookerasbil]

Coal is one of the main causes of cancer. Think about that.

Anywhere there's high air pollution the cancer rate sky rockets.

Matthew......not sure how old you are but one day, you will come around to what most of us have figured out already. And that is that life generally comes down to two choices: suck or suckier. If not for coal, we in the northeast are in the dark!! I pay quite enough for electricity as it is......no interest in having my bill double via carbon taxes that the country clearly doesn't want!!

Unfortunately, there are not solutions to every problem s0n.......only the brain of the far left minds thinks that way. Real costs in life are never seriously weighed by those on the far left. Life is about weighing necessary tradeoffs.......that's the way it is.......and thank heaven that majority of the people think that way or we'd be beyond fucked!!! Gotta get out of that bubble matrix thinking my friend.......might as well be slamming your head up against the wall daily!! Your level of idealism is commendable s0n, but wont find a place in the real world.

 

[elektra]

Why Oregon imports power from fossil fuels and exports renewable energy » News » OPB

If other coal plants follow suit, Dragoon said, the coal-fired power that comes from Montana and Wyoming into Oregon could be replaced by wind power that peaks at different times from the wind power in the Northwest.

“Things are shifting around and changing a whole bunch,” said Dragoon. “If we end up changing out coal plants in Montana and Wyoming, it might open up transmission lines for wind to come into the Northwest. Montana and North Dakota are the Saudi Arabia of wind, but they’re very far away, and the transmission lines are full of coal.”

In fact, Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer suggested something along those lines at a wind energy conference in California last week.

“What we now know is the great wind resource in the Columbia River Gorge is exactly the opposite as the wind we have in central Montana,” Schweitzer said. “We have a transmission line that ties the two together – the wind that blows during the day and wind that peaks during the night. Our wind peaks at one time of the year. Their wind peaks at other time of the year. This is the holy grail of wind. We can burn wind on wind 75 percent of the time.”

you think 40% of Oregons peak power can come from wind in Wyoming? How many wind turbines covering how many acres of land at what expense, Old Crock.

its an impossible dream filled with lies in the form of press releases and scientific studies.

how many and at what cost, old crock?

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, wind continues to get cheaper, and coal more expensive. Wind is already cheaper than clean coal, and almost as cheap as dirty coal. Plus, wind spreads the money around. The ranchers and farmers get about $5000 a year per mill. And they take up little space. The wheat east of the Dalles grows right to the base of the mills.

 

[Old Rocks]

Solar is also coming down in price very rapidly. Warehouses and other commercial buildings are perfect for the use of solar, and that power would be at the time of greatest usage.

 

[elektra]

Well, wind continues to get cheaper, and coal more expensive. Wind is already cheaper than clean coal, and almost as cheap as dirty coal. Plus, wind spreads the money around. The ranchers and farmers get about $5000 a year per mill. And they take up little space. The wheat east of the Dalles grows right to the base of the mills.

Solar is also coming down in price very rapidly. Warehouses and other commercial buildings are perfect for the use of solar, and that power would be at the time of greatest usage.

Getting cheaper?

Warehouses and factories?

Bullshit. Did you read another fantasy filled press report you plan on playing like a wild card in a game of, "Go Fish."

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, wind continues to get cheaper, and coal more expensive. Wind is already cheaper than clean coal, and almost as cheap as dirty coal. Plus, wind spreads the money around. The ranchers and farmers get about $5000 a year per mill. And they take up little space. The wheat east of the Dalles grows right to the base of the mills.

Solar is also coming down in price very rapidly. Warehouses and other commercial buildings are perfect for the use of solar, and that power would be at the time of greatest usage.

Getting cheaper?

Warehouses and factories?

Bullshit. Did you read another fantasy filled press report you plan on playing like a wild card in a game of, "Go Fish."

My, my, anyone ever mention to you how stupid you truly are?

Edison blankets warehouse roofs with solar panels - USATODAY.com

FONTANA, Calif. — The view from a warehouse roof here is consistent. In every direction, there are blocks and blocks of warehouse roofs baking in the Southern California sun.
Rather than letting them sit bare, a California utility hopes to blanket roofs like these with solar panels to produce enough electricity to power 162,000 homes.

Southern California Edison has installed solar on two warehouse roofs and is working on another in the Los Angeles region. The utility expects to do 100 to 125 more, totaling about 1.5 square miles of roof space in the next five years

 

[Old Rocks]

Gregory Distribution fits solar panels to warehouse roof to reduce energy costs | Sun & Wind Energy

South west transportation company Gregory Distribution has taken the first steps towards reducing its electricity bills, securing its energy future and boosting its green credentials following the completion of a 250 kWp solar PV system by Exeter-based SunGift Energy.

The system is installed on the roof of Gregory Distribution’s temperature-controlled and ambient distribution centre in Cullompton and is equal in size to the one installed by SunGift at the Met Office. It will not only generate an exceptional return on investment of 19.3% but also reduce the company’s carbon emissions by 116 tonnes per year.

“Reducing our environmental impact is extremely important to us,” said Paul Jefferson, Operations Director at Gregory Distribution, “but the decision to install solar panels was predominantly a financial one and the figures had to stack up. SunGift’s figures showed that we’ll pay back the price of the system in just over five years, followed by another 15 years of Feed-in Tariff payments, which presented a very strong case for going ahead.”

Gregory Distribution’s chilled and frozen warehousing operates around the clock and a significant proportion of the electricity generated by the solar PV panels will be used on site, rather than being fed back into the national grid.