CDZ Our Ally Israel

[Book of Jeremiah]

Remember the "liberty".

The Liberty is commonly dismissed as an accidental mass murder, but the Lavon is far harder to lie about.
Whilst the Israeli terrorist activity was detected and destroyed before Israel could murder American and British citizens, the fact the Israelis tried a false flag to kill Americans in order to bring you into their conflict is telling.

From the US Naval Inquest

USS LIBERTY COURT OF INQUIRY

FINDINGS OF FACT

1. Available evidence combines to indicate the attack on
LIBERTY on 8 June was in fact a case of mistaken
identity.

2. The calm conditions and slow ship speed may well have
made the American Flag difficult to identify.

3. The ship's westerly heading at the time of attack - in
the general direction of Egyptian ports may have
reinforced elements of doubt in the minds of the several
Israeli pilots who looked the ship over in the forenoon.

4. The colors were shot down early in the action and were
replaced prior to the PT attack.

5. The immediate confusion milling around astern followed
by peaceful

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overtures by the attacking surface forces after launching
only two torpedoes of the six presumed available (two on
each PT boat), indicate these craft may well have identified
the colors for the first time when they got in close enough
to see clearly through the smoke and flames billowing, at
times above the mast head.

6. There are no available indications that the attack was
intended against a U. S. Ship.

7. LIBERTY'S position at the time of the attack has been
previously ordered changed farther to seaward by JCS;
however, the messages relating to these changes were not
known to the ship before the attack took place. The reasons
these messages were not known to the ship can be determined
in all instances except for one. Since LIBERTY records and
knowledgeable personnel were lost in the action, it is
impossible to determine the disposition of the message.

8. The communication delays and mis-routing errors which
caused these several non-deliveries combined with delays in
initiating follow-up actions on operational instructions
received, all contributed to the ship itself being unaware
of plans and decisions made for her repositioning. A
detailed accounting of the five pertinent messages are
attached as appendices one through five.

9. The absence of any identifiable threat to the ship
apparently caused the foregoing referred to operational
actions to be taken and implemented in routine manner, i.e.,
without resorting to highest precedence (Flash) traffic.

10. USS LIBERTY was assigned technical research tasks to be
performed in the eastern Mediterranean by the Joint Chiefs
of Staff. LIBERTY first became aware of this new tasking
when she received sailing orders from Abidjan on the Ivory
Coast on the 24th day of May 1967. The precise tasking by
which LIBERTY was ordered to depart Abidjan is significant.
In this tasking language, LIBERTY was directed to proceed to
her new operating area in the eastern Mediterranean via Rota
for pick-up of specifics at "best speed."

[162]

11. LIBERTY received her basic operational and mission
guidance from the JCS through her new operational chain in
JCS 011545Z. LIBERTY proceeded to comply.

12. The Commanding Officer, USS LIBERTY conducted the
operations of his ship in accordance with the intent of
directives received by him. The operating area of LIBERTY on
8 June was in accordance with the announce- ments of
intended movement promulgated by the Commanding Officer USS
LIBERTY. Such operating areas were normal to the
accomplishment of LIBERTY's mission. These announcements
were addressed to, and presumably received, by all seniors
in the chain of LIBERTY's operational command. LIBERTY
received no directive, prior to the attack, that higher
authority desired that the ship operate at least 100 miles
from the coastline of the UAR.

13. LIBERTY responded to her newly assigned mission by
departing Abidjan promptly within some four hours from the
time of receipt of her sailing orders. LIBERTY experienced
minor engineering difficulties enroute Rota which caused
her arrival there somewhat later than originally planned.
On departure Rota, LIBERTY filed her movement report and
declared therein her intention to make best speed in
compliance with the JCS detailed tasking assignments set
forth in JCS message dtg 011545Z June 1967. It is
significant to note that in this JCS tasking, two time
frames were identified, one covering the period between 1
June through 8 June, the second covering the period 9 June
to 30 June. During the first period (1 through 8 June),
LIBERTY's movements were prescribed by the JCS to cover her
transit along the north African littoral; and therein were
prescribed minimum closest points of approach allowed to
national maritime boundaries. The terminal point in this 1
through 8 June time frame was to be a navigational position
at latitude 32 North, longitude 33 East. The second time
frame addressed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, assigned
LIBERTY an operating area bounded on the North by latitude
32 North, the north African/Israeli littoral on the south
and between longitudes 33 East and 34 East. It might well
occur to some that LIBERTY's attack occurred on 8 June,
which would have placed her considerably farther to the
North of the African coast, had she conformed explicitly
with the aforementioned JCS directive. However, as LIBERTY
proceeded eastward through the Mediterranean from Rota, she
filed three separate messages

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reports of position and intent which advised superiors of
her plans to anticipate arrival on station - that is, to
arrive somewhat earlier than prescribed by the Joint Chiefs
of Staff. Moreover, LIBERTY advised superiors of her
specific intentions to proceed to and operate in the closer
of the two areas to the north African coast - that is south
of latitude 32 north. Finally in this regard, LIBERTY
reported her arrival at her final destination to appropriate
addressees.

14. It is understood from representatives of the JCS Fact
Finding Group that it was receipt of LIBERTY's 7 June
SITREP/POSIT report which stated her final destination which
prompted concern in the JRC as to her proximity to the
African coast on the night of June 7th. This concern by
responsible authorities, who initially has tasked LIBERTY,
resulted in follow-on actions and directives to the ship
which were either never received or were transmitted on the
fleet broadcast from NAVCOMMSTA Asmara after the attack has
taken place.

15. Pertinent to the findings of fact is the matter of
communication conditions regarding USS LIBERTY during the
period of 1 and 8 June. The ship is known not to have
received at least five messages sent prior to the attack,
each of which was not only important but, in that respect,
critical to the events which terminated in the aggravated
attack on this ship on June the 8th.

16. Higher authority modified LIBERTY's original
operational guidance between June first and the attack on
the eighth, which, if she had received it, would have
resulted in her being further off shore.

17. Combination and compounding of many delayed
communication deliveries related to LIBERTY incident denied
the ship the benefit of command decisions actually made
prior to the attack which, among other things, would have
caused the ship, as a minimum, to be heading further
off-shore from her 081200Z actual position.

18. Pre-attack overflights of LIBERTY: (First air attack
occurred at 1403 local) Unidentified aircraft circled
LIBERTY at:

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0850 ( 5 hours 13 minutes prior to attack) (080742Z refers)
1056 ( 3 hours 7 minutes prior to attack) 1126 ( 2 hours 37
minutes prior to attack) 081022Z refers

Hull markings were clean and freshly painted - ensign was
flying from foremast halyard.

19. Aircraft attack on LIBERTY Attack initiated by single
aircraft, making a run similar to previous overflights.
First warning that this aircraft had attacked ship was a
rocket explosion abaft the bridge, port side. In five of
six attacks, from various angles, two or more jet aircraft
at a time conducted strafing, rocket and incendiary attack

Complete nonsense. End of story.

That pretty much tells the whole story...yet these swine still lie about what the Israeli scum did.

I hope that Iran gets a nuke and blows Tel Aviv to red glowing mist. They can write on the bomb.."From the dead crew USS LIberty".

I don't want to abandon Israel, I just want the truth......which would implicate Americans as well as Israelis. The Johnson Administration evidently colluded with Israel to cover it up.

You don't want to abandon Israel, you just want the truth..... ? What truth? A truth that blames Americans and Israelis for an accident that was beyond their control? You've got some nerve. Where do you live? Inside the Vatican?

 

[Liminal]

The Liberty is commonly dismissed as an accidental mass murder, but the Lavon is far harder to lie about.
Whilst the Israeli terrorist activity was detected and destroyed before Israel could murder American and British citizens, the fact the Israelis tried a false flag to kill Americans in order to bring you into their conflict is telling.

From the US Naval Inquest

USS LIBERTY COURT OF INQUIRY

FINDINGS OF FACT

1. Available evidence combines to indicate the attack on
LIBERTY on 8 June was in fact a case of mistaken
identity.

2. The calm conditions and slow ship speed may well have
made the American Flag difficult to identify.

3. The ship's westerly heading at the time of attack - in
the general direction of Egyptian ports may have
reinforced elements of doubt in the minds of the several
Israeli pilots who looked the ship over in the forenoon.

4. The colors were shot down early in the action and were
replaced prior to the PT attack.

5. The immediate confusion milling around astern followed
by peaceful

[161]

overtures by the attacking surface forces after launching
only two torpedoes of the six presumed available (two on
each PT boat), indicate these craft may well have identified
the colors for the first time when they got in close enough
to see clearly through the smoke and flames billowing, at
times above the mast head.

6. There are no available indications that the attack was
intended against a U. S. Ship.

7. LIBERTY'S position at the time of the attack has been
previously ordered changed farther to seaward by JCS;
however, the messages relating to these changes were not
known to the ship before the attack took place. The reasons
these messages were not known to the ship can be determined
in all instances except for one. Since LIBERTY records and
knowledgeable personnel were lost in the action, it is
impossible to determine the disposition of the message.

8. The communication delays and mis-routing errors which
caused these several non-deliveries combined with delays in
initiating follow-up actions on operational instructions
received, all contributed to the ship itself being unaware
of plans and decisions made for her repositioning. A
detailed accounting of the five pertinent messages are
attached as appendices one through five.

9. The absence of any identifiable threat to the ship
apparently caused the foregoing referred to operational
actions to be taken and implemented in routine manner, i.e.,
without resorting to highest precedence (Flash) traffic.

10. USS LIBERTY was assigned technical research tasks to be
performed in the eastern Mediterranean by the Joint Chiefs
of Staff. LIBERTY first became aware of this new tasking
when she received sailing orders from Abidjan on the Ivory
Coast on the 24th day of May 1967. The precise tasking by
which LIBERTY was ordered to depart Abidjan is significant.
In this tasking language, LIBERTY was directed to proceed to
her new operating area in the eastern Mediterranean via Rota
for pick-up of specifics at "best speed."

[162]

11. LIBERTY received her basic operational and mission
guidance from the JCS through her new operational chain in
JCS 011545Z. LIBERTY proceeded to comply.

12. The Commanding Officer, USS LIBERTY conducted the
operations of his ship in accordance with the intent of
directives received by him. The operating area of LIBERTY on
8 June was in accordance with the announce- ments of
intended movement promulgated by the Commanding Officer USS
LIBERTY. Such operating areas were normal to the
accomplishment of LIBERTY's mission. These announcements
were addressed to, and presumably received, by all seniors
in the chain of LIBERTY's operational command. LIBERTY
received no directive, prior to the attack, that higher
authority desired that the ship operate at least 100 miles
from the coastline of the UAR.

13. LIBERTY responded to her newly assigned mission by
departing Abidjan promptly within some four hours from the
time of receipt of her sailing orders. LIBERTY experienced
minor engineering difficulties enroute Rota which caused
her arrival there somewhat later than originally planned.
On departure Rota, LIBERTY filed her movement report and
declared therein her intention to make best speed in
compliance with the JCS detailed tasking assignments set
forth in JCS message dtg 011545Z June 1967. It is
significant to note that in this JCS tasking, two time
frames were identified, one covering the period between 1
June through 8 June, the second covering the period 9 June
to 30 June. During the first period (1 through 8 June),
LIBERTY's movements were prescribed by the JCS to cover her
transit along the north African littoral; and therein were
prescribed minimum closest points of approach allowed to
national maritime boundaries. The terminal point in this 1
through 8 June time frame was to be a navigational position
at latitude 32 North, longitude 33 East. The second time
frame addressed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, assigned
LIBERTY an operating area bounded on the North by latitude
32 North, the north African/Israeli littoral on the south
and between longitudes 33 East and 34 East. It might well
occur to some that LIBERTY's attack occurred on 8 June,
which would have placed her considerably farther to the
North of the African coast, had she conformed explicitly
with the aforementioned JCS directive. However, as LIBERTY
proceeded eastward through the Mediterranean from Rota, she
filed three separate messages

[163]

reports of position and intent which advised superiors of
her plans to anticipate arrival on station - that is, to
arrive somewhat earlier than prescribed by the Joint Chiefs
of Staff. Moreover, LIBERTY advised superiors of her
specific intentions to proceed to and operate in the closer
of the two areas to the north African coast - that is south
of latitude 32 north. Finally in this regard, LIBERTY
reported her arrival at her final destination to appropriate
addressees.

14. It is understood from representatives of the JCS Fact
Finding Group that it was receipt of LIBERTY's 7 June
SITREP/POSIT report which stated her final destination which
prompted concern in the JRC as to her proximity to the
African coast on the night of June 7th. This concern by
responsible authorities, who initially has tasked LIBERTY,
resulted in follow-on actions and directives to the ship
which were either never received or were transmitted on the
fleet broadcast from NAVCOMMSTA Asmara after the attack has
taken place.

15. Pertinent to the findings of fact is the matter of
communication conditions regarding USS LIBERTY during the
period of 1 and 8 June. The ship is known not to have
received at least five messages sent prior to the attack,
each of which was not only important but, in that respect,
critical to the events which terminated in the aggravated
attack on this ship on June the 8th.

16. Higher authority modified LIBERTY's original
operational guidance between June first and the attack on
the eighth, which, if she had received it, would have
resulted in her being further off shore.

17. Combination and compounding of many delayed
communication deliveries related to LIBERTY incident denied
the ship the benefit of command decisions actually made
prior to the attack which, among other things, would have
caused the ship, as a minimum, to be heading further
off-shore from her 081200Z actual position.

18. Pre-attack overflights of LIBERTY: (First air attack
occurred at 1403 local) Unidentified aircraft circled
LIBERTY at:

[164]

0850 ( 5 hours 13 minutes prior to attack) (080742Z refers)
1056 ( 3 hours 7 minutes prior to attack) 1126 ( 2 hours 37
minutes prior to attack) 081022Z refers

Hull markings were clean and freshly painted - ensign was
flying from foremast halyard.

19. Aircraft attack on LIBERTY Attack initiated by single
aircraft, making a run similar to previous overflights.
First warning that this aircraft had attacked ship was a
rocket explosion abaft the bridge, port side. In five of
six attacks, from various angles, two or more jet aircraft
at a time conducted strafing, rocket and incendiary attack

Complete nonsense. End of story.

That pretty much tells the whole story...yet these swine still lie about what the Israeli scum did.

I hope that Iran gets a nuke and blows Tel Aviv to red glowing mist. They can write on the bomb.."From the dead crew USS LIberty".

I don't want to abandon Israel, I just want the truth......which would implicate Americans as well as Israelis. The Johnson Administration evidently colluded with Israel to cover it up.

You don't want to abandon Israel, you just want the truth..... ? What truth? A truth that blames Americans and Israelis for an accident that was beyond their control? You've got some nerve. Where do you live? Inside the Vatican?

An accident? I guess you just haven't been paying attention. It was obviously a cover up.

 

[Liminal]

95% of America's problems with countries in the Middle East has to due with supplying Israel with money and weapons.

We gain nothing from it except hatred and animosity from just about every country in the region. .....

So then this looks like one vote for Israel being a liability rather than an asset.

Israel is the eyes and ears for the US in the Middle East. That's why they get money for weapons and defense from the US. Anyone who can't understand the reasons is brain dead.

Eyes and ears? For who? The Israeli government has been caught spying in this country several times. What makes you think they're working for us?

Whose us? You are by your own admission a Roman Catholic who supports this Pope and his plans (which include taking over Jerusalem and massacring the Jews & Protestants). Israel does not to work for your Vatican (May God save her from such a day!). She is a sovereign nation that needs to put the interests of her own people first. The first thing she should do is boot the Vatican and its Jesuit spies out of Israel permanently.

Who's us? Everyone but you nut bag.

 

[HUGGY]

The Liberty is commonly dismissed as an accidental mass murder, but the Lavon is far harder to lie about.
Whilst the Israeli terrorist activity was detected and destroyed before Israel could murder American and British citizens, the fact the Israelis tried a false flag to kill Americans in order to bring you into their conflict is telling.

From the US Naval Inquest

USS LIBERTY COURT OF INQUIRY

FINDINGS OF FACT

1. Available evidence combines to indicate the attack on
LIBERTY on 8 June was in fact a case of mistaken
identity.

2. The calm conditions and slow ship speed may well have
made the American Flag difficult to identify.

3. The ship's westerly heading at the time of attack - in
the general direction of Egyptian ports may have
reinforced elements of doubt in the minds of the several
Israeli pilots who looked the ship over in the forenoon.

4. The colors were shot down early in the action and were
replaced prior to the PT attack.

5. The immediate confusion milling around astern followed
by peaceful

[161]

overtures by the attacking surface forces after launching
only two torpedoes of the six presumed available (two on
each PT boat), indicate these craft may well have identified
the colors for the first time when they got in close enough
to see clearly through the smoke and flames billowing, at
times above the mast head.

6. There are no available indications that the attack was
intended against a U. S. Ship.

7. LIBERTY'S position at the time of the attack has been
previously ordered changed farther to seaward by JCS;
however, the messages relating to these changes were not
known to the ship before the attack took place. The reasons
these messages were not known to the ship can be determined
in all instances except for one. Since LIBERTY records and
knowledgeable personnel were lost in the action, it is
impossible to determine the disposition of the message.

8. The communication delays and mis-routing errors which
caused these several non-deliveries combined with delays in
initiating follow-up actions on operational instructions
received, all contributed to the ship itself being unaware
of plans and decisions made for her repositioning. A
detailed accounting of the five pertinent messages are
attached as appendices one through five.

9. The absence of any identifiable threat to the ship
apparently caused the foregoing referred to operational
actions to be taken and implemented in routine manner, i.e.,
without resorting to highest precedence (Flash) traffic.

10. USS LIBERTY was assigned technical research tasks to be
performed in the eastern Mediterranean by the Joint Chiefs
of Staff. LIBERTY first became aware of this new tasking
when she received sailing orders from Abidjan on the Ivory
Coast on the 24th day of May 1967. The precise tasking by
which LIBERTY was ordered to depart Abidjan is significant.
In this tasking language, LIBERTY was directed to proceed to
her new operating area in the eastern Mediterranean via Rota
for pick-up of specifics at "best speed."

[162]

11. LIBERTY received her basic operational and mission
guidance from the JCS through her new operational chain in
JCS 011545Z. LIBERTY proceeded to comply.

12. The Commanding Officer, USS LIBERTY conducted the
operations of his ship in accordance with the intent of
directives received by him. The operating area of LIBERTY on
8 June was in accordance with the announce- ments of
intended movement promulgated by the Commanding Officer USS
LIBERTY. Such operating areas were normal to the
accomplishment of LIBERTY's mission. These announcements
were addressed to, and presumably received, by all seniors
in the chain of LIBERTY's operational command. LIBERTY
received no directive, prior to the attack, that higher
authority desired that the ship operate at least 100 miles
from the coastline of the UAR.

13. LIBERTY responded to her newly assigned mission by
departing Abidjan promptly within some four hours from the
time of receipt of her sailing orders. LIBERTY experienced
minor engineering difficulties enroute Rota which caused
her arrival there somewhat later than originally planned.
On departure Rota, LIBERTY filed her movement report and
declared therein her intention to make best speed in
compliance with the JCS detailed tasking assignments set
forth in JCS message dtg 011545Z June 1967. It is
significant to note that in this JCS tasking, two time
frames were identified, one covering the period between 1
June through 8 June, the second covering the period 9 June
to 30 June. During the first period (1 through 8 June),
LIBERTY's movements were prescribed by the JCS to cover her
transit along the north African littoral; and therein were
prescribed minimum closest points of approach allowed to
national maritime boundaries. The terminal point in this 1
through 8 June time frame was to be a navigational position
at latitude 32 North, longitude 33 East. The second time
frame addressed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, assigned
LIBERTY an operating area bounded on the North by latitude
32 North, the north African/Israeli littoral on the south
and between longitudes 33 East and 34 East. It might well
occur to some that LIBERTY's attack occurred on 8 June,
which would have placed her considerably farther to the
North of the African coast, had she conformed explicitly
with the aforementioned JCS directive. However, as LIBERTY
proceeded eastward through the Mediterranean from Rota, she
filed three separate messages

[163]

reports of position and intent which advised superiors of
her plans to anticipate arrival on station - that is, to
arrive somewhat earlier than prescribed by the Joint Chiefs
of Staff. Moreover, LIBERTY advised superiors of her
specific intentions to proceed to and operate in the closer
of the two areas to the north African coast - that is south
of latitude 32 north. Finally in this regard, LIBERTY
reported her arrival at her final destination to appropriate
addressees.

14. It is understood from representatives of the JCS Fact
Finding Group that it was receipt of LIBERTY's 7 June
SITREP/POSIT report which stated her final destination which
prompted concern in the JRC as to her proximity to the
African coast on the night of June 7th. This concern by
responsible authorities, who initially has tasked LIBERTY,
resulted in follow-on actions and directives to the ship
which were either never received or were transmitted on the
fleet broadcast from NAVCOMMSTA Asmara after the attack has
taken place.

15. Pertinent to the findings of fact is the matter of
communication conditions regarding USS LIBERTY during the
period of 1 and 8 June. The ship is known not to have
received at least five messages sent prior to the attack,
each of which was not only important but, in that respect,
critical to the events which terminated in the aggravated
attack on this ship on June the 8th.

16. Higher authority modified LIBERTY's original
operational guidance between June first and the attack on
the eighth, which, if she had received it, would have
resulted in her being further off shore.

17. Combination and compounding of many delayed
communication deliveries related to LIBERTY incident denied
the ship the benefit of command decisions actually made
prior to the attack which, among other things, would have
caused the ship, as a minimum, to be heading further
off-shore from her 081200Z actual position.

18. Pre-attack overflights of LIBERTY: (First air attack
occurred at 1403 local) Unidentified aircraft circled
LIBERTY at:

[164]

0850 ( 5 hours 13 minutes prior to attack) (080742Z refers)
1056 ( 3 hours 7 minutes prior to attack) 1126 ( 2 hours 37
minutes prior to attack) 081022Z refers

Hull markings were clean and freshly painted - ensign was
flying from foremast halyard.

19. Aircraft attack on LIBERTY Attack initiated by single
aircraft, making a run similar to previous overflights.
First warning that this aircraft had attacked ship was a
rocket explosion abaft the bridge, port side. In five of
six attacks, from various angles, two or more jet aircraft
at a time conducted strafing, rocket and incendiary attack

Complete nonsense. End of story.

That pretty much tells the whole story...yet these swine still lie about what the Israeli scum did.

I hope that Iran gets a nuke and blows Tel Aviv to red glowing mist. They can write on the bomb.."From the dead crew USS LIberty".

I don't want to abandon Israel, I just want the truth......which would implicate Americans as well as Israelis. The Johnson Administration evidently colluded with Israel to cover it up.

You don't want to abandon Israel, you just want the truth..... ? What truth? A truth that blames Americans and Israelis for an accident that was beyond their control? You've got some nerve. Where do you live? Inside the Vatican?

We already know the truth. And THAT is that the USS LIberty was totally identified long before the first shots and missiles were fired at our ship. The only thing I'm not clear on is why Israel murdered 42 Navy seamen and wounded nearly 140 more and attempted to sink the USS Liberty in international waters. It does not take nerve to say the truth. It's easier still when coming from an American discussing the disgusting attack on one of our ships.

It doesn't take nerve that Israelis tell lies. That's what they do. It's second nature and their first language.

Why do yo persist in calling this an accident. You are saying that on the USMB. Save your lies for some Jew site.

 

[HUGGY]

From the US Naval Inquest

USS LIBERTY COURT OF INQUIRY

FINDINGS OF FACT

1. Available evidence combines to indicate the attack on
LIBERTY on 8 June was in fact a case of mistaken
identity.

2. The calm conditions and slow ship speed may well have
made the American Flag difficult to identify.

3. The ship's westerly heading at the time of attack - in
the general direction of Egyptian ports may have
reinforced elements of doubt in the minds of the several
Israeli pilots who looked the ship over in the forenoon.

4. The colors were shot down early in the action and were
replaced prior to the PT attack.

5. The immediate confusion milling around astern followed
by peaceful

[161]

overtures by the attacking surface forces after launching
only two torpedoes of the six presumed available (two on
each PT boat), indicate these craft may well have identified
the colors for the first time when they got in close enough
to see clearly through the smoke and flames billowing, at
times above the mast head.

6. There are no available indications that the attack was
intended against a U. S. Ship.

7. LIBERTY'S position at the time of the attack has been
previously ordered changed farther to seaward by JCS;
however, the messages relating to these changes were not
known to the ship before the attack took place. The reasons
these messages were not known to the ship can be determined
in all instances except for one. Since LIBERTY records and
knowledgeable personnel were lost in the action, it is
impossible to determine the disposition of the message.

8. The communication delays and mis-routing errors which
caused these several non-deliveries combined with delays in
initiating follow-up actions on operational instructions
received, all contributed to the ship itself being unaware
of plans and decisions made for her repositioning. A
detailed accounting of the five pertinent messages are
attached as appendices one through five.

9. The absence of any identifiable threat to the ship
apparently caused the foregoing referred to operational
actions to be taken and implemented in routine manner, i.e.,
without resorting to highest precedence (Flash) traffic.

10. USS LIBERTY was assigned technical research tasks to be
performed in the eastern Mediterranean by the Joint Chiefs
of Staff. LIBERTY first became aware of this new tasking
when she received sailing orders from Abidjan on the Ivory
Coast on the 24th day of May 1967. The precise tasking by
which LIBERTY was ordered to depart Abidjan is significant.
In this tasking language, LIBERTY was directed to proceed to
her new operating area in the eastern Mediterranean via Rota
for pick-up of specifics at "best speed."

[162]

11. LIBERTY received her basic operational and mission
guidance from the JCS through her new operational chain in
JCS 011545Z. LIBERTY proceeded to comply.

12. The Commanding Officer, USS LIBERTY conducted the
operations of his ship in accordance with the intent of
directives received by him. The operating area of LIBERTY on
8 June was in accordance with the announce- ments of
intended movement promulgated by the Commanding Officer USS
LIBERTY. Such operating areas were normal to the
accomplishment of LIBERTY's mission. These announcements
were addressed to, and presumably received, by all seniors
in the chain of LIBERTY's operational command. LIBERTY
received no directive, prior to the attack, that higher
authority desired that the ship operate at least 100 miles
from the coastline of the UAR.

13. LIBERTY responded to her newly assigned mission by
departing Abidjan promptly within some four hours from the
time of receipt of her sailing orders. LIBERTY experienced
minor engineering difficulties enroute Rota which caused
her arrival there somewhat later than originally planned.
On departure Rota, LIBERTY filed her movement report and
declared therein her intention to make best speed in
compliance with the JCS detailed tasking assignments set
forth in JCS message dtg 011545Z June 1967. It is
significant to note that in this JCS tasking, two time
frames were identified, one covering the period between 1
June through 8 June, the second covering the period 9 June
to 30 June. During the first period (1 through 8 June),
LIBERTY's movements were prescribed by the JCS to cover her
transit along the north African littoral; and therein were
prescribed minimum closest points of approach allowed to
national maritime boundaries. The terminal point in this 1
through 8 June time frame was to be a navigational position
at latitude 32 North, longitude 33 East. The second time
frame addressed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, assigned
LIBERTY an operating area bounded on the North by latitude
32 North, the north African/Israeli littoral on the south
and between longitudes 33 East and 34 East. It might well
occur to some that LIBERTY's attack occurred on 8 June,
which would have placed her considerably farther to the
North of the African coast, had she conformed explicitly
with the aforementioned JCS directive. However, as LIBERTY
proceeded eastward through the Mediterranean from Rota, she
filed three separate messages

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reports of position and intent which advised superiors of
her plans to anticipate arrival on station - that is, to
arrive somewhat earlier than prescribed by the Joint Chiefs
of Staff. Moreover, LIBERTY advised superiors of her
specific intentions to proceed to and operate in the closer
of the two areas to the north African coast - that is south
of latitude 32 north. Finally in this regard, LIBERTY
reported her arrival at her final destination to appropriate
addressees.

14. It is understood from representatives of the JCS Fact
Finding Group that it was receipt of LIBERTY's 7 June
SITREP/POSIT report which stated her final destination which
prompted concern in the JRC as to her proximity to the
African coast on the night of June 7th. This concern by
responsible authorities, who initially has tasked LIBERTY,
resulted in follow-on actions and directives to the ship
which were either never received or were transmitted on the
fleet broadcast from NAVCOMMSTA Asmara after the attack has
taken place.

15. Pertinent to the findings of fact is the matter of
communication conditions regarding USS LIBERTY during the
period of 1 and 8 June. The ship is known not to have
received at least five messages sent prior to the attack,
each of which was not only important but, in that respect,
critical to the events which terminated in the aggravated
attack on this ship on June the 8th.

16. Higher authority modified LIBERTY's original
operational guidance between June first and the attack on
the eighth, which, if she had received it, would have
resulted in her being further off shore.

17. Combination and compounding of many delayed
communication deliveries related to LIBERTY incident denied
the ship the benefit of command decisions actually made
prior to the attack which, among other things, would have
caused the ship, as a minimum, to be heading further
off-shore from her 081200Z actual position.

18. Pre-attack overflights of LIBERTY: (First air attack
occurred at 1403 local) Unidentified aircraft circled
LIBERTY at:

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0850 ( 5 hours 13 minutes prior to attack) (080742Z refers)
1056 ( 3 hours 7 minutes prior to attack) 1126 ( 2 hours 37
minutes prior to attack) 081022Z refers

Hull markings were clean and freshly painted - ensign was
flying from foremast halyard.

19. Aircraft attack on LIBERTY Attack initiated by single
aircraft, making a run similar to previous overflights.
First warning that this aircraft had attacked ship was a
rocket explosion abaft the bridge, port side. In five of
six attacks, from various angles, two or more jet aircraft
at a time conducted strafing, rocket and incendiary attack

Complete nonsense. End of story.

That pretty much tells the whole story...yet these swine still lie about what the Israeli scum did.

I hope that Iran gets a nuke and blows Tel Aviv to red glowing mist. They can write on the bomb.."From the dead crew USS LIberty".

I don't want to abandon Israel, I just want the truth......which would implicate Americans as well as Israelis. The Johnson Administration evidently colluded with Israel to cover it up.

You don't want to abandon Israel, you just want the truth..... ? What truth? A truth that blames Americans and Israelis for an accident that was beyond their control? You've got some nerve. Where do you live? Inside the Vatican?

An accident? I guess you just haven't been paying attention. It was obviously a cover up.

The cover up was the LEAST of the crimes committed on that clear and sunny afternoon in 1967 500 miles from shore in the Mediterranean. .

My guess is that the Jews didn't want the recorded proof that they had attacked Egypt first when they were telling the world that THEY were the victims in that war.

It was a nice Rat Jew touch that they jammed the S O S distress calls from the USS Liberty attempting to sink the American vessel allowing for no way to rescue the surviving sailors.

The hatred that much of the world feels towards the Jews and Israel is WELL DESERVED. This is especially so coming from loyal Americans.

Any so called American that excuses and lies on behalf of the Jews and Israel for this attack is a stinking traitor to our flag.

Oh But...But...But The HOLOCAUST !!!! Oh, you must mean .The FAILED holocaust.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

From the US Naval Inquest

USS LIBERTY COURT OF INQUIRY

FINDINGS OF FACT

1. Available evidence combines to indicate the attack on
LIBERTY on 8 June was in fact a case of mistaken
identity.

2. The calm conditions and slow ship speed may well have
made the American Flag difficult to identify.

3. The ship's westerly heading at the time of attack - in
the general direction of Egyptian ports may have
reinforced elements of doubt in the minds of the several
Israeli pilots who looked the ship over in the forenoon.

4. The colors were shot down early in the action and were
replaced prior to the PT attack.

5. The immediate confusion milling around astern followed
by peaceful

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overtures by the attacking surface forces after launching
only two torpedoes of the six presumed available (two on
each PT boat), indicate these craft may well have identified
the colors for the first time when they got in close enough
to see clearly through the smoke and flames billowing, at
times above the mast head.

6. There are no available indications that the attack was
intended against a U. S. Ship.

7. LIBERTY'S position at the time of the attack has been
previously ordered changed farther to seaward by JCS;
however, the messages relating to these changes were not
known to the ship before the attack took place. The reasons
these messages were not known to the ship can be determined
in all instances except for one. Since LIBERTY records and
knowledgeable personnel were lost in the action, it is
impossible to determine the disposition of the message.

8. The communication delays and mis-routing errors which
caused these several non-deliveries combined with delays in
initiating follow-up actions on operational instructions
received, all contributed to the ship itself being unaware
of plans and decisions made for her repositioning. A
detailed accounting of the five pertinent messages are
attached as appendices one through five.

9. The absence of any identifiable threat to the ship
apparently caused the foregoing referred to operational
actions to be taken and implemented in routine manner, i.e.,
without resorting to highest precedence (Flash) traffic.

10. USS LIBERTY was assigned technical research tasks to be
performed in the eastern Mediterranean by the Joint Chiefs
of Staff. LIBERTY first became aware of this new tasking
when she received sailing orders from Abidjan on the Ivory
Coast on the 24th day of May 1967. The precise tasking by
which LIBERTY was ordered to depart Abidjan is significant.
In this tasking language, LIBERTY was directed to proceed to
her new operating area in the eastern Mediterranean via Rota
for pick-up of specifics at "best speed."

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11. LIBERTY received her basic operational and mission
guidance from the JCS through her new operational chain in
JCS 011545Z. LIBERTY proceeded to comply.

12. The Commanding Officer, USS LIBERTY conducted the
operations of his ship in accordance with the intent of
directives received by him. The operating area of LIBERTY on
8 June was in accordance with the announce- ments of
intended movement promulgated by the Commanding Officer USS
LIBERTY. Such operating areas were normal to the
accomplishment of LIBERTY's mission. These announcements
were addressed to, and presumably received, by all seniors
in the chain of LIBERTY's operational command. LIBERTY
received no directive, prior to the attack, that higher
authority desired that the ship operate at least 100 miles
from the coastline of the UAR.

13. LIBERTY responded to her newly assigned mission by
departing Abidjan promptly within some four hours from the
time of receipt of her sailing orders. LIBERTY experienced
minor engineering difficulties enroute Rota which caused
her arrival there somewhat later than originally planned.
On departure Rota, LIBERTY filed her movement report and
declared therein her intention to make best speed in
compliance with the JCS detailed tasking assignments set
forth in JCS message dtg 011545Z June 1967. It is
significant to note that in this JCS tasking, two time
frames were identified, one covering the period between 1
June through 8 June, the second covering the period 9 June
to 30 June. During the first period (1 through 8 June),
LIBERTY's movements were prescribed by the JCS to cover her
transit along the north African littoral; and therein were
prescribed minimum closest points of approach allowed to
national maritime boundaries. The terminal point in this 1
through 8 June time frame was to be a navigational position
at latitude 32 North, longitude 33 East. The second time
frame addressed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, assigned
LIBERTY an operating area bounded on the North by latitude
32 North, the north African/Israeli littoral on the south
and between longitudes 33 East and 34 East. It might well
occur to some that LIBERTY's attack occurred on 8 June,
which would have placed her considerably farther to the
North of the African coast, had she conformed explicitly
with the aforementioned JCS directive. However, as LIBERTY
proceeded eastward through the Mediterranean from Rota, she
filed three separate messages

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reports of position and intent which advised superiors of
her plans to anticipate arrival on station - that is, to
arrive somewhat earlier than prescribed by the Joint Chiefs
of Staff. Moreover, LIBERTY advised superiors of her
specific intentions to proceed to and operate in the closer
of the two areas to the north African coast - that is south
of latitude 32 north. Finally in this regard, LIBERTY
reported her arrival at her final destination to appropriate
addressees.

14. It is understood from representatives of the JCS Fact
Finding Group that it was receipt of LIBERTY's 7 June
SITREP/POSIT report which stated her final destination which
prompted concern in the JRC as to her proximity to the
African coast on the night of June 7th. This concern by
responsible authorities, who initially has tasked LIBERTY,
resulted in follow-on actions and directives to the ship
which were either never received or were transmitted on the
fleet broadcast from NAVCOMMSTA Asmara after the attack has
taken place.

15. Pertinent to the findings of fact is the matter of
communication conditions regarding USS LIBERTY during the
period of 1 and 8 June. The ship is known not to have
received at least five messages sent prior to the attack,
each of which was not only important but, in that respect,
critical to the events which terminated in the aggravated
attack on this ship on June the 8th.

16. Higher authority modified LIBERTY's original
operational guidance between June first and the attack on
the eighth, which, if she had received it, would have
resulted in her being further off shore.

17. Combination and compounding of many delayed
communication deliveries related to LIBERTY incident denied
the ship the benefit of command decisions actually made
prior to the attack which, among other things, would have
caused the ship, as a minimum, to be heading further
off-shore from her 081200Z actual position.

18. Pre-attack overflights of LIBERTY: (First air attack
occurred at 1403 local) Unidentified aircraft circled
LIBERTY at:

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0850 ( 5 hours 13 minutes prior to attack) (080742Z refers)
1056 ( 3 hours 7 minutes prior to attack) 1126 ( 2 hours 37
minutes prior to attack) 081022Z refers

Hull markings were clean and freshly painted - ensign was
flying from foremast halyard.

19. Aircraft attack on LIBERTY Attack initiated by single
aircraft, making a run similar to previous overflights.
First warning that this aircraft had attacked ship was a
rocket explosion abaft the bridge, port side. In five of
six attacks, from various angles, two or more jet aircraft
at a time conducted strafing, rocket and incendiary attack

Complete nonsense. End of story.

That pretty much tells the whole story...yet these swine still lie about what the Israeli scum did.

I hope that Iran gets a nuke and blows Tel Aviv to red glowing mist. They can write on the bomb.."From the dead crew USS LIberty".

I don't want to abandon Israel, I just want the truth......which would implicate Americans as well as Israelis. The Johnson Administration evidently colluded with Israel to cover it up.

You don't want to abandon Israel, you just want the truth..... ? What truth? A truth that blames Americans and Israelis for an accident that was beyond their control? You've got some nerve. Where do you live? Inside the Vatican?

An accident? I guess you just haven't been paying attention. It was obviously a cover up.

It was ruled an accident long ago. You've already proven that you are going to believe what you want to believe irregardless of the evidence that proves what you are believing to be a lie, Liminal. I'm not going to argue with your or anyone else about it. I'm merely stating the truth of what happened. It was an accident.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Complete nonsense. End of story.

That pretty much tells the whole story...yet these swine still lie about what the Israeli scum did.

I hope that Iran gets a nuke and blows Tel Aviv to red glowing mist. They can write on the bomb.."From the dead crew USS LIberty".

I don't want to abandon Israel, I just want the truth......which would implicate Americans as well as Israelis. The Johnson Administration evidently colluded with Israel to cover it up.

You don't want to abandon Israel, you just want the truth..... ? What truth? A truth that blames Americans and Israelis for an accident that was beyond their control? You've got some nerve. Where do you live? Inside the Vatican?

An accident? I guess you just haven't been paying attention. It was obviously a cover up.

The cover up was the LEAST of the crimes committed on that clear and sunny afternoon in 1967 500 miles from shore in the Mediterranean. .

My guess is that the Jews didn't want the recorded proof that they had attacked Egypt first when they were telling the world that THEY were the victims in that war.

It was a nice Rat Jew touch that they jammed the S O S distress calls from the USS Liberty attempting to sink the American vessel allowing for no way to rescue the surviving sailors.

The hatred that much of the world feels towards the Jews and Israel is WELL DESERVED. This is especially so coming from loyal Americans.

Any so called American that excuses and lies on behalf of the Jews and Israel for this attack is a stinking traitor to our flag.

Oh But...But...But The HOLOCAUST !!!! Oh, you must mean .The FAILED holocaust.

I didn't know you were a Catholic, Huggy. I should tell you that your Pope isn't ruling over the world just yet so don't get ahead of yourself with declaring Americans who defend Israel as traitors. We still fly our flag besides Israel's just as your Pope flies his flag next to the Palestinians flag.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

95% of America's problems with countries in the Middle East has to due with supplying Israel with money and weapons.

We gain nothing from it except hatred and animosity from just about every country in the region. .....

So then this looks like one vote for Israel being a liability rather than an asset.

Israel is the eyes and ears for the US in the Middle East. That's why they get money for weapons and defense from the US. Anyone who can't understand the reasons is brain dead.

Eyes and ears? For who? The Israeli government has been caught spying in this country several times. What makes you think they're working for us?

Whose us? You are by your own admission a Roman Catholic who supports this Pope and his plans (which include taking over Jerusalem and massacring the Jews & Protestants). Israel does not to work for your Vatican (May God save her from such a day!). She is a sovereign nation that needs to put the interests of her own people first. The first thing she should do is boot the Vatican and its Jesuit spies out of Israel permanently.

Who's us? Everyone but you nut bag.

I do not see everyone agreeing with you on USMB so I'll ask you again - who's us, Liminal?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

We are constantly told by our government and news media that Israel is an important strategic ally of the United States. It's easy to see why this alliance is important for Israel, but what do we get out of this relationship? How is Israel an important ally for us? How do they help us? Do they help us? Or are they more of a liability than anything else?

Wow we agree on something.

One reason I heard from the born agains is that the bible tells us to defend Israel. It has to do with armageddon or the apocalypse or the end days.

Not me. I'm telling you to defend Israel because it is the right thing to do, Sealy.

 

[HUGGY]

That pretty much tells the whole story...yet these swine still lie about what the Israeli scum did.

I hope that Iran gets a nuke and blows Tel Aviv to red glowing mist. They can write on the bomb.."From the dead crew USS LIberty".

I don't want to abandon Israel, I just want the truth......which would implicate Americans as well as Israelis. The Johnson Administration evidently colluded with Israel to cover it up.

You don't want to abandon Israel, you just want the truth..... ? What truth? A truth that blames Americans and Israelis for an accident that was beyond their control? You've got some nerve. Where do you live? Inside the Vatican?

An accident? I guess you just haven't been paying attention. It was obviously a cover up.

The cover up was the LEAST of the crimes committed on that clear and sunny afternoon in 1967 500 miles from shore in the Mediterranean. .

My guess is that the Jews didn't want the recorded proof that they had attacked Egypt first when they were telling the world that THEY were the victims in that war.

It was a nice Rat Jew touch that they jammed the S O S distress calls from the USS Liberty attempting to sink the American vessel allowing for no way to rescue the surviving sailors.

The hatred that much of the world feels towards the Jews and Israel is WELL DESERVED. This is especially so coming from loyal Americans.

Any so called American that excuses and lies on behalf of the Jews and Israel for this attack is a stinking traitor to our flag.

Oh But...But...But The HOLOCAUST !!!! Oh, you must mean .The FAILED holocaust.

I didn't know you were a Catholic, Huggy. I should tell you that your Pope isn't ruling over the world just yet so don't get ahead of yourself with declaring Americans who defend Israel as traitors. We still fly our flag besides Israel's just as your Pope flies his flag next to the Palestinians flag.

What makes you think I'm Catholic?

 

[HUGGY]

We are constantly told by our government and news media that Israel is an important strategic ally of the United States. It's easy to see why this alliance is important for Israel, but what do we get out of this relationship? How is Israel an important ally for us? How do they help us? Do they help us? Or are they more of a liability than anything else?

Wow we agree on something.

One reason I heard from the born agains is that the bible tells us to defend Israel. It has to do with armageddon or the apocalypse or the end days.

Not me. I'm telling you to defend Israel because it is the right thing to do, Sealy.

It makes perfect sense for Jews to lie on behalf of Israeli scum. It is an outrage for any loyal American to lie for Israel.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

I don't want to abandon Israel, I just want the truth......which would implicate Americans as well as Israelis. The Johnson Administration evidently colluded with Israel to cover it up.

You don't want to abandon Israel, you just want the truth..... ? What truth? A truth that blames Americans and Israelis for an accident that was beyond their control? You've got some nerve. Where do you live? Inside the Vatican?

An accident? I guess you just haven't been paying attention. It was obviously a cover up.

The cover up was the LEAST of the crimes committed on that clear and sunny afternoon in 1967 500 miles from shore in the Mediterranean. .

My guess is that the Jews didn't want the recorded proof that they had attacked Egypt first when they were telling the world that THEY were the victims in that war.

It was a nice Rat Jew touch that they jammed the S O S distress calls from the USS Liberty attempting to sink the American vessel allowing for no way to rescue the surviving sailors.

The hatred that much of the world feels towards the Jews and Israel is WELL DESERVED. This is especially so coming from loyal Americans.

Any so called American that excuses and lies on behalf of the Jews and Israel for this attack is a stinking traitor to our flag.

Oh But...But...But The HOLOCAUST !!!! Oh, you must mean .The FAILED holocaust.

I didn't know you were a Catholic, Huggy. I should tell you that your Pope isn't ruling over the world just yet so don't get ahead of yourself with declaring Americans who defend Israel as traitors. We still fly our flag besides Israel's just as your Pope flies his flag next to the Palestinians flag.

What makes you think I'm Catholic?

You used the same "failed line" the Pope just used in his claim that the Jesus "failed" at the cross. I thought you were giving us a clue as to what is up with your hatred of Israel (many Catholics are Democrats and are not friendly towards Israel). If you are not Catholic - that was my mistake - I apologize. If you are? You need to leave Catholicism as fast as you possibly can.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

We are constantly told by our government and news media that Israel is an important strategic ally of the United States. It's easy to see why this alliance is important for Israel, but what do we get out of this relationship? How is Israel an important ally for us? How do they help us? Do they help us? Or are they more of a liability than anything else?

Wow we agree on something.

One reason I heard from the born agains is that the bible tells us to defend Israel. It has to do with armageddon or the apocalypse or the end days.

Not me. I'm telling you to defend Israel because it is the right thing to do, Sealy.

It makes perfect sense for Jews to lie on behalf of Israeli scum. It is an outrage for any loyal American to lie for Israel.

It's an outrage for any loyal America to lie against Israel. I refuse to do it. How about you?

 

[Liminal]

Complete nonsense. End of story.

That pretty much tells the whole story...yet these swine still lie about what the Israeli scum did.

I hope that Iran gets a nuke and blows Tel Aviv to red glowing mist. They can write on the bomb.."From the dead crew USS LIberty".

I don't want to abandon Israel, I just want the truth......which would implicate Americans as well as Israelis. The Johnson Administration evidently colluded with Israel to cover it up.

You don't want to abandon Israel, you just want the truth..... ? What truth? A truth that blames Americans and Israelis for an accident that was beyond their control? You've got some nerve. Where do you live? Inside the Vatican?

An accident? I guess you just haven't been paying attention. It was obviously a cover up.

It was ruled an accident long ago. You've already proven that you are going to believe what you want to believe irregardless of the evidence that proves what you are believing to be a lie, Liminal. I'm not going to argue with your or anyone else about it. I'm merely stating the truth of what happened. It was an accident.

So then you're evidently dishonest enough to say you believe that the survivors of the USS Liberty are lying. Is that your theory ?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

No, the survivors said it was an accident. You've got a hold of bad information. I read the report many years ago. What you claim happened and they claim happened are two different things. Who should I believe? The people who were there or the people who are getting information from bad sources?

 

[Liminal]

We are constantly told by our government and news media that Israel is an important strategic ally of the United States. It's easy to see why this alliance is important for Israel, but what do we get out of this relationship? How is Israel an important ally for us? How do they help us? Do they help us? Or are they more of a liability than anything else?

Wow we agree on something.

One reason I heard from the born agains is that the bible tells us to defend Israel. It has to do with armageddon or the apocalypse or the end days.

Not me. I'm telling you to defend Israel because it is the right thing to do, Sealy.

It makes perfect sense for Jews to lie on behalf of Israeli scum. It is an outrage for any loyal American to lie for Israel.

The only reason fundamentalist hypocrites support Israel is because they don't want anything to disrupt their schedule for Armageddon. They can hardly wait to be raptured., but they will probably be the one's who get left behind.

 

[Liminal]

No, the survivors said it was an accident. You've got a hold of bad information. I read the report many years ago. What you claim happened and they claim happened are two different things. Who should I believe? The people who were there or the people who are getting information from bad sources?

You just broke the Ninth Commandment.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

We are constantly told by our government and news media that Israel is an important strategic ally of the United States. It's easy to see why this alliance is important for Israel, but what do we get out of this relationship? How is Israel an important ally for us? How do they help us? Do they help us? Or are they more of a liability than anything else?

Wow we agree on something.

One reason I heard from the born agains is that the bible tells us to defend Israel. It has to do with armageddon or the apocalypse or the end days.

Not me. I'm telling you to defend Israel because it is the right thing to do, Sealy.

It makes perfect sense for Jews to lie on behalf of Israeli scum. It is an outrage for any loyal American to lie for Israel.

The only reason fundamentalist hypocrites support Israel is because they don't want anything to disrupt their schedule for Armageddon. They can hardly wait to be raptured., but they will probably be the one's who get left behind.

So you do not believe in the rapture but believe that those who do believe in a rapture will be the "ones" who get left behind. Have I understood you correctly?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

No, the survivors said it was an accident. You've got a hold of bad information. I read the report many years ago. What you claim happened and they claim happened are two different things. Who should I believe? The people who were there or the people who are getting information from bad sources?

You just broke the Ninth Commandment.

Do you know what the 9th Commandment is, Liminal? As you are a Catholic why don't you list what you have been taught by Catholicism are the ten commandments. 1 - 10. What are they? Can you name them?

 

[Liminal]

We are constantly told by our government and news media that Israel is an important strategic ally of the United States. It's easy to see why this alliance is important for Israel, but what do we get out of this relationship? How is Israel an important ally for us? How do they help us? Do they help us? Or are they more of a liability than anything else?

Wow we agree on something.

One reason I heard from the born agains is that the bible tells us to defend Israel. It has to do with armageddon or the apocalypse or the end days.

Not me. I'm telling you to defend Israel because it is the right thing to do, Sealy.

It makes perfect sense for Jews to lie on behalf of Israeli scum. It is an outrage for any loyal American to lie for Israel.

The only reason fundamentalist hypocrites support Israel is because they don't want anything to disrupt their schedule for Armageddon. They can hardly wait to be raptured., but they will probably be the one's who get left behind.

In Purgatory.