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What is wrong with the Palestinian culture?There is this bizarre idea that Muslim Palestinians all came out of the Arabian Peninsula. It is an idea that ignores snd conflates the spread of a culture (arabization) with the actual movements of people. It is just another tool to deny legitimacy.
But its the spread of the culture which is the problem. That is the problem which indigenous rights are intended to solve and the reason for the existence of indigenous rights -- with or without the movement of people.
They seem to be normal people except when Israel is attacking them.
I am not convinced it is that clear cut. For example, Jewish culture survived the Arabic influence. And for that matter took on aspects of it, to create it’s own flavor right in the Middle East didn’t it? And in the same way those who millennia ago dispersed into Europe took on parts of the cultures they adopted creating, for example the unique and rich Yiddish Jewish culture. Which is the pure indigenous culture exactly that needs to be protected from the spread of other cultures?There is this bizarre idea that Muslim Palestinians all came out of the Arabian Peninsula. It is an idea that ignores snd conflates the spread of a culture (arabization) with the actual movements of people. It is just another tool to deny legitimacy.
But its the spread of the culture which is the problem. That is the problem which indigenous rights are intended to solve and the reason for the existence of indigenous rights -- with or without the movement of people.
What is wrong with the Palestinian culture?There is this bizarre idea that Muslim Palestinians all came out of the Arabian Peninsula. It is an idea that ignores snd conflates the spread of a culture (arabization) with the actual movements of people. It is just another tool to deny legitimacy.
But its the spread of the culture which is the problem. That is the problem which indigenous rights are intended to solve and the reason for the existence of indigenous rights -- with or without the movement of people.
They seem to be normal people except when Israel is attacking them.
What is wrong with the Palestinian culture?There is this bizarre idea that Muslim Palestinians all came out of the Arabian Peninsula. It is an idea that ignores snd conflates the spread of a culture (arabization) with the actual movements of people. It is just another tool to deny legitimacy.
But its the spread of the culture which is the problem. That is the problem which indigenous rights are intended to solve and the reason for the existence of indigenous rights -- with or without the movement of people.
They seem to be normal people except when Israel is attacking them.
Did I say anything was wrong with Palestinian culture? Nope.
But Arab culture has almost completely overrun Jewish culture in the Jewish homeland. The point of indigenous rights, including self-determination, is to preserve the local culture; have it not be overrun.
True...what you said was this: People who move to a country to live separate from the society with an eye to take over the place for themselves are not. (Immigrants)I didn't say that immigration was an issue.If immigrants are an issue why dont you have a problem with Arabs from other regions who immigrated in for jobs in the 20th century and now call themselves Palestinians?
I am not surprised that you are not. Up until about twenty years ago, Israel's version of history was the only one generally available. Only recently has real history been slowly creeping into public discourse.True...what you said was this: People who move to a country to live separate from the society with an eye to take over the place for themselves are not. (Immigrants)I didn't say that immigration was an issue.If immigrants are an issue why dont you have a problem with Arabs from other regions who immigrated in for jobs in the 20th century and now call themselves Palestinians?
But I am not aware of any immigrant groups doing that.
I am not convinced it is that clear cut. For example, Jewish culture survived the Arabic influence. And for that matter took on aspects of it, to create it’s own flavor right in the Middle East didn’t it? And in the same way those who millennia ago dispersed into Europe took on parts of the cultures they adopted creating, for example the unique and rich Yiddish Jewish culture. Which is the pure indigenous culture exactly that needs to be protected from the spread of other cultures?
To a certain extent, I both agree and disagree with this. The culture is dominant is a very small piece of territory, true. It is a remarkable achievement for an indigenous peoples. The only indigenous peoples who have lost and then restored their culture in their traditional territory. An example for other indigenous peoples, certainly. First Nations in Canada are travelling this road as well, and I'm very happy to see it. However, the Jewish culture is still non-dominant in the region and very much still under fire, both from external threats and from those who suggest that protective measures, such as special considerations in constitutions, are both unnecessary and morally repugnant.So it is the dominant culture.
Well, the Jewish people are pretty used to catastrophic events. And there are plenty of people and governments calling for catastrophic events. And plenty of the international community withholding or removing support for the Jewish people and Israel. Or insisting that if the Jewish people or Israel just "changed their ways", then they could avoid their deserved slaughter. Which all feels pretty familiar. So if you think the Jewish people feel safe, you are wrong.They are not in danger of losing their culture short of a catastrophic event.
I see this as a slightly different issue, being the tension between modernization and traditional lifestyles. This could occur in peoples of the same culture, and isn't necessarily a clash between cultures.But there ARE others who are in danger of losing their culture: the Bedouin for example who are indigenous to a portion of Israel and who, like most nomadic peoples around the world now, are truly losing their culture to the onslaught of settled agricultural and urban cultures.
What is the purpose in such emphatic declarations?
Even today Israel's settler colonial project continues to build segregated Jewish only settlements in the West Bank and in the territory that is now called Israel.
