Palestinian Nazi Mufti who killed thousands of Christians

[Roudy]

So was the Mufti a Nazi who killed Jews and Christians or not? Inquiring minds want to know.


After Saturday Comes Sunday


In the Arabic speaking Maronite community of Lebanon, the proverb has been current in the sense that Muslims will do away with Christians after they have dealt with the Jews. Khayyat has stated that the proverb, in the sense of "Since the Jews are now persecuted, it is as inevitable that the Christians' turn will come next as it is that Sundaywill follow Saturday," has a wider distribution with variants in both Iraqi and Egyptian Arabic. This more recent usage of the proverb is attributed to Christian Arabs expressing a fear that they might share the fate that befell Jews during the Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries. It is often reported to be in use among certain Muslims as a slogan to threaten local Christian communities.

According to a publication by the American Foreign Policy Council, the proverb in the form ‘After Saturday, Sunday’, was brandished as a popular slogan among supporters of Haj Amin al-Husseini’s faction during the 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine. The message is reported to have meant that once the Jews had been driven out, the Christians would be expelled.The authority for this is Benny Morris.

At that time, it is attested as a Lebanese Christian proverb in circles among the Maronite community, who read the Palestinian revolt against Great Britain and Jewish immigration as a foretaste of what they imagined might befall their community were Lebanese Muslims to gain ascendancy.

 

[Hollie]

The Holocaust:
The Mufti and the Führer

The Mufti and the Führer | Jewish Virtual Library


In 1941, Haj Amin al-Husseini fled to Germany and met with Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Joachim Von Ribbentrop and other Nazi leaders. He wanted to persuade them to extend the Nazis’ anti-Jewish program to the Arab world.

The Mufti sent Hitler 15 drafts of declarations he wanted Germany and Italy to make concerning the Middle East. One called on the two countries to declare the illegality of the Jewish home in Palestine. Furthermore, “they accord to Palestine and to other Arab countries the right to solve the problem of the Jewish elements in Palestine and other Arab countries, in accordance with the interest of the Arabs and, by the same method, that the question is now being settled in the Axis countries.”1

In November 1941, the Mufti met with Hitler, who told him the Jews were his foremost enemy. The Nazi dictator rebuffed the Mufti's requests for a declaration in support of the Arabs, however, telling him the time was not right. The Mufti offered Hitler his “thanks for the sympathy which he had always shown for the Arab and especially Palestinian cause, and to which he had given clear expression in his public speeches....The Arabs were Germany's natural friends because they had the same enemies as had Germany, namely....the Jews....” Hitler replied:

Germany stood for uncompromising war against the Jews. That naturally included active opposition to the Jewish national home in Palestine....Germany would furnish positive and practical aid to the Arabs involved in the same struggle....Germany's objective [is]...solely the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere....In that hour the Mufti would be the most authoritative spokesman for the Arab world. The Mufti thanked Hitler profusely.2

In 1945, Yugoslavia sought to indict the Mufti as a war criminal for his role in recruiting 20,000 Muslim volunteers for the SS, who participated in the killing of Jews in Croatia and Hungary. He escaped from French detention in 1946, however, and continued his fight against the Jews from Cairo and later Beirut. He died in 1974.

 

[Challenger]

...Its a bunch of propaganda? Ha ha ha. OMG. How can any sane person say that, after all the overwhelming evidence by legitimate sources that has been provided?

What overwhelming evidence? All I've seen so far is a rehash of the drivel you put out last time you started a thread like this, it was Hasbara then, it's Hasbara now. As for legitimate sources...

 

[Challenger]

....I don't understand what point you're trying to make.

This:

The Allied prosecutors of war criminals clearly disagree with you as they thought most of the "evidence" was fabricated and the rest nowhere near enough to bring him to trial over.

Fact: the Mufti fled to Nazi Germany.
Fact: he met Hitler (once).
Fact: he helped to recruit Bosniak and Albanian Muslims into both SS formations and into local defence units.
Fact: there are a lot of propaganda/recruitment photos of the Mufti with Muslim troops.
Fact: He wasn't very successful as the SS units in question all had a very large proportion of non-Muslim soldiers, i.e. SS- Handschar; about 40% non-Muslim personnel.
Fact: He is attributed in several Nazi propaganda radio broadcasts, which he may or may not have actually made.
Fact: the radio broadcasts had no significant effect on the Muslims in the Middle East.
Fact: he worked hard while in Germany to prevent any Jewish migration to Palestine.
Fact: SS Handschar never operated in any areas where Jewish persecution/extermination took place.

The rest is, at best, conjecture, or more likely propaganda designed to create a link, no matter how tenuous, with Geman National Socialism and post-war Arabic National Liberation movements.

 

[Challenger]

Christians from Armenia and Lebanon were massacred in the 1800s and 1900s.

What has happened to christians under ISIS is tragic.

Never a tolerant and "brotherly" as some would like to believe

Review of The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise: Muslims, Christians and Jews under Islamic Rule in Medieval Spain.

Have you actually read the book?

 

[Hollie]

....I don't understand what point you're trying to make.

This:

The Allied prosecutors of war criminals clearly disagree with you as they thought most of the "evidence" was fabricated and the rest nowhere near enough to bring him to trial over.

Fact: the Mufti fled to Nazi Germany.
Fact: he met Hitler (once).
Fact: he helped to recruit Bosniak and Albanian Muslims into both SS formations and into local defence units.
Fact: there are a lot of propaganda/recruitment photos of the Mufti with Muslim troops.
Fact: He wasn't very successful as the SS units in question all had a very large proportion of non-Muslim soldiers, i.e. SS- Handschar; about 40% non-Muslim personnel.
Fact: He is attributed in several Nazi propaganda radio broadcasts, which he may or may not have actually made.
Fact: the radio broadcasts had no significant effect on the Muslims in the Middle East.
Fact: he worked hard while in Germany to prevent any Jewish migration to Palestine.
Fact: SS Handschar never operated in any areas where Jewish persecution/extermination took place.

The rest is, at best, conjecture, or more likely propaganda designed to create a link, no matter how tenuous, with Geman National Socialism and post-war Arabic National Liberation movements.

Fact: Skipping town and being granted asylum in Egypt helped.

Your pontificating is really a cover for your appalling lack of knowledge. It really is amazing how you converts willingly accept such misfits as your new-found heroes.

 

[Challenger]

So was the Mufti a Nazi who killed Jews and Christians or not?

On the available factual evidence..."Not"
According to Zionist Hasbara and Serbian BS propaganda...move over Satan, Adolf, Stalin, Mao, Pol-pot, the Mufti's taking over as Mr. EVIL!!! Moa-ha-ha!

 

[Phoenall]

You can't say the Nazis weren't coached by the Mufti. The Nazis learned "yellow badge" from Muslims, who did that hundreds of years before.

Yep it seems that pogroms and showah were in middle east not in Europe!

Muslims did indeed have pogroms, look it up. And Nazis did learn how to impose religious apartheid from the Muslims, for example, the yellow badge for Jews came hundreds of years before the Nazis:

Yellow badge
Islamic world
The practice of wearing special markings in order to distinguish Jews and other non-Muslims (Dhimmis) in Muslim-dominated countries seems to have been introduced by Umayyad Caliph Umar II in early 8th century.The practice was reissued and reinforced by Caliph Al-Mutawakkil (847–61), subsequently remaining in force for centuries. A genizah document from 1121 gives the following description of decrees issued in Baghdad:

Two yellow badges [are to be displayed], one on the headgear and one on the neck. Furthermore, each Jew must hang round his neck a piece of lead with the word Dhimmi on it. He also has to wear a belt round his waist. The women have to wear one red and one black shoe and have a small bell on their necks or shoes.

Goofy!
Al jeziah is just a small tax payed to government for army protection, the duties of muslims are more than of the christians, they should pay alms and taxes. Today al gezia is decated since all communities should pay taxes.

Why the jews found refuge in Islamic Spain and Ottoman Empire?

Golden age of Jewish culture in Spain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In many cases the dhimmi had to pay jizya to every warlord that passed their property, if they couldn't they faced a brutal beating. In many cases the dhimmi was made destitute and so the muslims took his daughters and property in lieu of the jizya. You forget that there are plenty of sites on the internet that tell the truth about the jizya and how it affected the everyday lives of the dhimmi's

The non Muslims had / have no choice. Accept to live as a second class citizens in your own country under Islamic apartheid shariah law, or die.

In many cases they died at the hands of the muslims anyway when they were having an off day. Paying the jizya was no guarantee of safety

 

[Phoenall]

I dislike Zionism and Zionists I am not a Jew hater.

Translation: Jews are fine but they must not be permitted to believe they have any right to self-determination or a nation.

Meh, no Jew-hatred going there at all.

No people should be permitted to dispossess and evict other people from their native land in order to attain self-determination.

Unless they are Catholics or muslims isn't that right monte, then they have dispensation from their gods to do so

 

[Phoenall]

No people should be permitted to dispossess and evict other people from their native land in order to attain self-determination.

Interesting, so you agree that the Jewish people HAVE the right to self-determination, but are not permitted to attain self-determination in their ancestral, historical and religious homeland because someone else has dispossessed and evicted them?

So how does a people who HAVE BEEN dispossessed and evicted attain self-determination?

Not by dispossessing the native people living on another continent. Perhaps a part of Germany should have been given to the Jews, that would have been a more rational approach. Punishing the native inhabitants of Palestine for crimes committed by Europeans on Europeans is absurd.

Like the muslims and the Catholics are still doing to this day. So when are you going to hand your land back to the first nations people and beg your European nation of origin to take you back ?

10 years ago you where shouting that the Jews in Europe should go back where they came from, Palestine. Now you are shouting the Jews in Israel should go back where they came from Europe.

 

[Phoenall]

^^^^^
If anybody understands that warped logic as to why out of the collapsed Ottoman Empire 99.99% of the land can become Muslim states, but jews are not allowed to have a homeland in their ancestral, religious, and cultural homeland, I'll give you $100 and a Starbucks card with unlimited usage.

It is/was not the ancestral of Europeans. Punishing the native inhabitants of Palestine by sponsoring the colonization of the land by Europeans and the dispossessing the native inhabitants to make room for said Europeans, was wrong.

LIAR as the evidence shows that the Jews from outside of Palestine have the same DNA as the Jews who were living in Palestine over the last 4,500 years.

JUST YOUR ISLAMONAZI HATRED OF THE JEWS SHOWING AGAIN

 

[Phoenall]

So was the Mufti a Nazi who killed Jews and Christians or not?

On the available factual evidence..."Not"
According to Zionist Hasbara and Serbian BS propaganda...move over Satan, Adolf, Stalin, Mao, Pol-pot, the Mufti's taking over as Mr. EVIL!!! Moa-ha-ha!

Lost the argument again rat boy so resort to your immature Zionist hasbara claims because you think it will win you a point


LOSER

 

[Phoenall]

^^^^^
If anybody understands that warped logic as to why out of the collapsed Ottoman Empire 99.99% of the land can become Muslim states, but jews are not allowed to have a homeland in their ancestral, religious, and cultural homeland, I'll give you $100 and a Starbucks card with unlimited usage.

It is/was not the ancestral of Europeans. Punishing the native inhabitants of Palestine by sponsoring the colonization of the land by Europeans and the dispossessing the native inhabitants to make room for said Europeans, was wrong.

But you are arguing against dispossession while at the same time supporting the idea that dispossession turns the native inhabitants, the indigenous peoples, into colonizers.

So if the Jewish people dispossess all the Arab Muslims -- they are no longer the native inhabitants and if they try to move back they are colonizers.

1. The Europeans weren't dispossessed, that's a logical impossibility.

2. The native inhabitants of Palestine have always lived there. That they converted to various religions doesn't change the people's ancestors. They dispossessed no one.

3. The Europeans dispossessed native Christians and Muslims. In fact, the Christians lost the most per capita as they were the wealthiest of the Palestinians.

4. The British and the West were wrong to impose European colonization on the native inhabitants and to enable the European Jews to dispossess the native Christian and Muslim inhabitants. It was a crime, actually.

The Jews were when the Roman Catholics took them as slaves back to Europe with them. This is what you don't want people to know

Yes and for 4,500 years they were Jews, the Christians and muslims were in constant flux and evicted each other time after time. This means that they had no continuity of occupation

Yes the Roman Catholic Europeans that disposed the Greek Orthodox Christians and the muslims. The Jews were already there in numbers until the arab muslims decided to migrate illegally from 1875.

They were doing what international law of 1917 to 1949 allowed, and I don't see you complaining about the 1 million Jews disposed and forcibly evicted from their homes and property in the M.E. What law was broken by the Jews when they declared their intention of forming a state on land that was legally theirs. Even today the laws are still in existence and will never be repealed unless islam takes over the world

 

[Phoenall]

...Its a bunch of propaganda? Ha ha ha. OMG. How can any sane person say that, after all the overwhelming evidence by legitimate sources that has been provided?

What overwhelming evidence? All I've seen so far is a rehash of the drivel you put out last time you started a thread like this, it was Hasbara then, it's Hasbara now. As for legitimate sources...

And as your immature foot stomping and claims show you know it is the truth. That is why you are screeching hasbara this and hasbara that

 

[Roudy]

So was the Mufti a Nazi who killed Jews and Christians or not?

On the available factual evidence..."Not"
According to Zionist Hasbara and Serbian BS propaganda...move over Satan, Adolf, Stalin, Mao, Pol-pot, the Mufti's taking over as Mr. EVIL!!! Moa-ha-ha!

No actually legitimate source after source in unison confirm, the Mufti was a genocidal Nazi. Deal with it.

 

[Roudy]

...Its a bunch of propaganda? Ha ha ha. OMG. How can any sane person say that, after all the overwhelming evidence by legitimate sources that has been provided?

What overwhelming evidence? All I've seen so far is a rehash of the drivel you put out last time you started a thread like this, it was Hasbara then, it's Hasbara now. As for legitimate sources...

And as your immature foot stomping and claims show you know it is the truth. That is why you are screeching hasbara this and hasbara that

That's all they got, when things don't go their way, braying " Hasbara" and stomping their hoofs.

 

[Challenger]

No actually legitimate source after source in unison confirm, the Mufti was a genocidal Nazi.

Yet to see one.

 

[Roudy]

^^^^^^
Good luck with that position.

 

[Challenger]

Oh, the other unanswered question from last time. If the Zionists took all that trouble to capture Eichmann thousands of miles away from the Zionist Paradise, Eichman who hardly rates a mention compared to the Mufti; why did they let the "big" "bad" "evil" Mufti live out his life in peace and quiet in Beirut of all places a mere stone's throw away? Could it be he was far too valuable as a Hasbara "bogy-man" and bringing him to trial would have meant putting the so-called "evidence" on public scrutiny?

 

[Roudy]

Oh, the other unanswered question from last time. If the Zionists took all that trouble to capture Eichmann thousands of miles away from the Zionist Paradise, Eichman who hardly rates a mention compared to the Mufti; why did they let the "big" "bad" "evil" Mufti live out his life in peace and quiet in Beirut of all places a mere stone's throw away? Could it be he was far too valuable as a Hasbara "bogy-man" and bringing him to trial would have meant putting the so-called "evidence" on public scrutiny?

Your beloved genocidal Palestinian Nazi Mufti was wanted for war crimes by UK and Yugoslavia, yet he escaped wearing women's clothes. Look it up. His IslamoNazi descendants are still hiding behind women and children.