Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.

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MIT AAA | From Ferguson to Sheikh Jarrah: The Black and Palestinian Struggle for Justice​

 

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Mohammed El-Kurd's full speech for the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People​

 

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Mohammed El-Kurd | Giving Rise to a New Generation of Palestinian Journalists | Nov 2021 | PART 1​

Mohammed El-Kurd | Giving Rise to a New Generation of Palestinian Journalists | Nov 2021 | PART 2​

 

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Muna El Kurd on Drivetime with Shafiq Morton - 21 October 2021​

Muna El Kurd part 2 - drivetime​

 

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TEDxRamallah - Julia Bacha - One Story, One Film, Many Changes.​

 

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Khaled Barakat on Palestinian political prisoners with Africa4Palestine​

 

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JVP-NYC in conversation with Professor Rabab Abdulhadi​

 

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Ariella Azoulay on Potential History, Decolonization, and Palestine​

 

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Zionism, Labor, Privatization, SFSU/AMED and Public Education With SFSU Professor Rabab Abdulhadi​

 

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Inside the Israeli Palestinian Escalation | Pod Save the World​

 

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Dardashe — Season: 2 Episode 9 — Mohammed Al Kurd​

 

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Dardashe — Season 2: Episode 3 — Farah Nabulsi​

 

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After 70+ Years, Why Are Palestinian Refugees Still An Issue?​

 

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Dardashe — Episode 12: Rashid Khalidi​

 

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Rabet Docs: Colonial Economy — How Palestinian workers are dehumanized in an apartheid system​

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Refugee Status
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: There are more than a dozen consideration that pop-up when deliberating refugee status of the Arab Palestinian. There are several that rise to the surface as bones of contention.

◈ The race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political group.​

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◈ Considered a refugee under the definition of the Convention of Refugee Status.​

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◈ They are displaced outside the country of nationality​

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◈ Unable or unwilling to avail of the protection of that country to which displaced.​

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◈ The country of his former habitual residence.​

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◈ Unable or unwilling to return in peace return without the ongoing threat of violence.​

After 70+ Years, Why Are Palestinian Refugees Still An Issue?​

(COMMENT)

Because if the definition of a "refugee" does not fit the Arab Palestinian vision or agenda, then they simply argue on the basis of an entirely different definition.

Well over 90% of the Arab Palestinians counted as (or self identifying) refugees are actually well beyond that point. And as the title of the discussion implies, you would be over 70 years old to meet the initial criteria.

Descendants of the originally displaced Arab Palestinians (≈ 700K) are not truly refugees (in any case, it is impossible for today's number of refugees to exceed the original number displaced). They are generally either the "unwilling," - "unable" - or - those that are necessarily excluded because they actually excluded on the grounds of national security, public order, public health, or present a danger to the rights and freedoms of others. Of course national security and public order are high on the list of concerns because the Arab Palestinians have made these two political statements that eliminate a very large percentage of the displaced persons as eligible for the return:

◈ The Arabs of Palestine will never recognize the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.​

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◈ The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.​

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◈ The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.​

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◈ The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition.​

These are, if for no other reason, why the refugee status is still an issue.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

◈ Unable or unwilling to return in peace return without the ongoing threat of violence.

The violence is because they can't go home.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Refugee Status
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: There are more than a dozen consideration that pop-up when deliberating refugee status of the Arab Palestinian. There are several that rise to the surface as bones of contention.

◈ The race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political group.​

​

◈ Considered a refugee under the definition of the Convention of Refugee Status.​

​

◈ They are displaced outside the country of nationality​

​

◈ Unable or unwilling to avail of the protection of that country to which displaced.​

​

◈ The country of his former habitual residence.​

​

◈ Unable or unwilling to return in peace return without the ongoing threat of violence.​

(COMMENT)

Because if the definition of a "refugee" does not fit the Arab Palestinian vision or agenda, then they simply argue on the basis of an entirely different definition.

Well over 90% of the Arab Palestinians counted as (or self identifying) refugees are actually well beyond that point. And as the title of the discussion implies, you would be over 70 years old to meet the initial criteria.

Descendants of the originally displaced Arab Palestinians (≈ 700K) are not truly refugees (in any case, it is impossible for today's number of refugees to exceed the original number displaced). They are generally either the "unwilling," - "unable" - or - those that are necessarily excluded because they actually excluded on the grounds of national security, public order, public health, or present a danger to the rights and freedoms of others. Of course national security and public order are high on the list of concerns because the Arab Palestinians have made these two political statements that eliminate a very large percentage of the displaced persons as eligible for the return:

◈ The Arabs of Palestine will never recognize the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.​

​

◈ The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.​

​

◈ The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.​

​

◈ The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition.​

These are, if for no other reason, why the refugee status is still an issue.

Most Respectfully,
R

Nice collection of Israeli talking points.

 

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The Danger of Neutrality | Anna Baltzer | TEDxOcala​

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Refugee Status
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

The violence is because they can't go home.

(COMMENT)
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This is the old "Chicken and the egg debate.

✦ "The adoption of resolution 181 (II) was followed by outbreaks of violence in Palestine."​

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✦ UNSCOP completed its work on 31 August 1947, with its members agreeing on the question of terminating the Mandate, the principle of independence and the role of the United Nations. There was no consensus, however, on a settlement of the Question of Palestine. The committee considered two proposals on the Question of Palestine: the majority and minority proposals. The majority of the members recommended that Palestine be partitioned into an Arab State and a Jewish State, with a special international status for the city of Jerusalem under the administrative authority of the United Nations.​

SOURCE: The Question of Palestine and the United Nations (AKA The Blue Book) UN New York, 2008 Pg5 Pg7​

While there had been spastic violence of a Civil War nature prior to the adoption of Resolution A/RES/181(II), that was the general complextion of the political environment.

"The Jewish Agency accepted the resolution despite its dissatisfaction over such matters as Jewish emigration from Europe and the territorial limits set on the proposed Jewish State. The plan was not accepted by the Palestinian Arabs and Arab States on the ground that it violated the provisions of the United Nations Charter, which granted people the right to decide their own destiny."​

SOURCE: The Question of Palestine and the United Nations (AKA The Blue Book) UN New York, 2008 Pg9​

The Arab Palestinians had been uncooperative and unresponsive since 1922. There was no reasonable expectation that the Arab Palestinians would act any differently in 1947/48/49. The outside observer can judge as to the effectiveness of the Arab Palestinian political path.

Most Respectfully,
R