'Palestinian'

[P F Tinmore]

A "national home" in Palestine, is not the same thing as a "Jewish state" in Palestine; that was never the intention of the LoN or the UN; that was pure Zionist settler colonialism.

Oh sure, so when everyone was talking about a Jewish National Home between 1917 and 1949, and all those legal documents were being created, they envisioned an Arab Palestinian State, under Arab sovereignty, with solely Arab self-determination in which it was permissible for Jews to simply reside.

That's why terminology like THIS was used:

Jewish State
Government of each State
reconstituting their national home
Jewish agency shall be recognized as a public body for the purpose of advising ... in economic, social and other matters
(Jewish agency) shall take steps (toward) the establishment of the Jewish national home
Jewish agency ... to construct or operate any public works, services, utilities and to develop any natural resources in the county

(And please also note the ABSENCE of this kind of language with respect to the Arab population in some of these documents)


That's why speeches like this were made in the US Congress:

I want to make at this time, Mr. Speaker and gentlemen of the House, my attitude and views upon the Arab question in Palestine very clear and emphatic. I am in favor of carrying out one of the three following policies, to be preferred in the order in which they are named:
(1) That the Arabs shall be permitted to remain in Palestine under Jewish government and domination, and with their civil and religious rights guaranteed to them through the British mandate and under terms of the Balfour declaration....

If this is not a condensed and at the same time a complete bill of rights both for the Arabs of Palestine and for the Jews who intend to remain in their present homelands outside of Palestine, I have never read or seen one.


That's why the White Paper of 1939 was forced to attempt to devise an alternative policy:

The Royal Commission and previous commissions of Enquiry have drawn attention to the ambiguity of certain expressions in the Mandate, such as the expression `a national home for the Jewish people', and they have found in this ambiguity and the resulting uncertainty as to the objectives of policy a fundamental cause of unrest and hostility between Arabs and Jews. His Majesty's Government are convinced that in the interests of the peace and well being of the whole people of Palestine a clear definition of policy and objectives is essential. The proposal of partition recommended by the Royal Commission would have afforded such clarity, but the establishment of self supporting independent Arab and Jewish States within Palestine has been found to be impracticable. It has therefore been necessary for His Majesty's Government to devise an alternative policy which will, consistent with their obligations to Arabs and Jews, meet the needs of the situation in Palestine.

It has been urged that the expression "a national home for the Jewish people" offered a prospect that Palestine might in due course become a Jewish State or Commonwealth. His Majesty's Government do not wish to contest the view, which was expressed by the Royal Commission, that the Zionist leaders at the time of the issue of the Balfour Declaration recognised that an ultimate Jewish State was not precluded by the terms of the Declaration.


And finally, we have this little gem written by the UN:

The General Assembly,
Acting in discharge of its functions under Article 4 of the Charter and rule 125 of its rules of procedure,
1. Decides that Israel is a peace loving State which accepts the obligations contained in the Charter and is able and willing to carry out those obligations;
2. Decides to admit Israel to membership in the United Nations.





Your claim that there was never an intent to create an independent, self-governing, self-determining Jewish State as a homeland for the Jewish people in the territory by right of their historical connection is blatantly disingenuous.

Britain's stupid plan flopped, so...

That's why the White Paper of 1939 was forced to attempt to devise an alternative policy:

They proposed partition. (two state solution) And that stupid plan flopped too.

Royal Commission would have afforded such clarity, but the establishment of self supporting independent Arab and Jewish States within Palestine has been found to be impracticable.

Britain left Palestine accomplishing nothing.

Nothing except their "Mandate": to reestablish the Jewish National Home.

Still holding a grudge, obviously. The Zionistas'™ managed to defend that home in spite of attacking Islamist armies and attacks by your Islamist terrorist heroes.

How does it feel to be flailing your Pom Poms for Arab-islamist failure, ineptitude and incompetence?

The Mandate flopped and had nothing to do with the creation of Israel. Israel was created by foreigners in Palestine.

One of the goals of the Mandate was to re establish the Jewish National Home.

Success.



Have you considered that your Magical Kingdom of Disney Islam'istan, was created by foreignen Turks, Arabs and European Christian Crusaders?

Failure.

Not so. Israel went into 1948 with nothing.

 

[Hollie]

Oh sure, so when everyone was talking about a Jewish National Home between 1917 and 1949, and all those legal documents were being created, they envisioned an Arab Palestinian State, under Arab sovereignty, with solely Arab self-determination in which it was permissible for Jews to simply reside.

That's why terminology like THIS was used:

Jewish State
Government of each State
reconstituting their national home
Jewish agency shall be recognized as a public body for the purpose of advising ... in economic, social and other matters
(Jewish agency) shall take steps (toward) the establishment of the Jewish national home
Jewish agency ... to construct or operate any public works, services, utilities and to develop any natural resources in the county

(And please also note the ABSENCE of this kind of language with respect to the Arab population in some of these documents)


That's why speeches like this were made in the US Congress:

I want to make at this time, Mr. Speaker and gentlemen of the House, my attitude and views upon the Arab question in Palestine very clear and emphatic. I am in favor of carrying out one of the three following policies, to be preferred in the order in which they are named:
(1) That the Arabs shall be permitted to remain in Palestine under Jewish government and domination, and with their civil and religious rights guaranteed to them through the British mandate and under terms of the Balfour declaration....

If this is not a condensed and at the same time a complete bill of rights both for the Arabs of Palestine and for the Jews who intend to remain in their present homelands outside of Palestine, I have never read or seen one.


That's why the White Paper of 1939 was forced to attempt to devise an alternative policy:

The Royal Commission and previous commissions of Enquiry have drawn attention to the ambiguity of certain expressions in the Mandate, such as the expression `a national home for the Jewish people', and they have found in this ambiguity and the resulting uncertainty as to the objectives of policy a fundamental cause of unrest and hostility between Arabs and Jews. His Majesty's Government are convinced that in the interests of the peace and well being of the whole people of Palestine a clear definition of policy and objectives is essential. The proposal of partition recommended by the Royal Commission would have afforded such clarity, but the establishment of self supporting independent Arab and Jewish States within Palestine has been found to be impracticable. It has therefore been necessary for His Majesty's Government to devise an alternative policy which will, consistent with their obligations to Arabs and Jews, meet the needs of the situation in Palestine.

It has been urged that the expression "a national home for the Jewish people" offered a prospect that Palestine might in due course become a Jewish State or Commonwealth. His Majesty's Government do not wish to contest the view, which was expressed by the Royal Commission, that the Zionist leaders at the time of the issue of the Balfour Declaration recognised that an ultimate Jewish State was not precluded by the terms of the Declaration.


And finally, we have this little gem written by the UN:

The General Assembly,
Acting in discharge of its functions under Article 4 of the Charter and rule 125 of its rules of procedure,
1. Decides that Israel is a peace loving State which accepts the obligations contained in the Charter and is able and willing to carry out those obligations;
2. Decides to admit Israel to membership in the United Nations.





Your claim that there was never an intent to create an independent, self-governing, self-determining Jewish State as a homeland for the Jewish people in the territory by right of their historical connection is blatantly disingenuous.

Britain's stupid plan flopped, so...

That's why the White Paper of 1939 was forced to attempt to devise an alternative policy:

They proposed partition. (two state solution) And that stupid plan flopped too.

Royal Commission would have afforded such clarity, but the establishment of self supporting independent Arab and Jewish States within Palestine has been found to be impracticable.

Britain left Palestine accomplishing nothing.

Nothing except their "Mandate": to reestablish the Jewish National Home.

Still holding a grudge, obviously. The Zionistas'™ managed to defend that home in spite of attacking Islamist armies and attacks by your Islamist terrorist heroes.

How does it feel to be flailing your Pom Poms for Arab-islamist failure, ineptitude and incompetence?

The Mandate flopped and had nothing to do with the creation of Israel. Israel was created by foreigners in Palestine.

One of the goals of the Mandate was to re establish the Jewish National Home.

Success.



Have you considered that your Magical Kingdom of Disney Islam'istan, was created by foreignen Turks, Arabs and European Christian Crusaders?

Failure.

Not so. Israel went into 1948 with nothing.

Nothing except a national identity and success against the invading muhammedan hordes.

Arabs-Moslems have only a welfare fraud system and a legacy of failure to define themselves.

Alia Akbar?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Britain's stupid plan flopped, so...
They proposed partition. (two state solution) And that stupid plan flopped too.

Britain left Palestine accomplishing nothing.

Nothing except their "Mandate": to reestablish the Jewish National Home.

Still holding a grudge, obviously. The Zionistas'™ managed to defend that home in spite of attacking Islamist armies and attacks by your Islamist terrorist heroes.

How does it feel to be flailing your Pom Poms for Arab-islamist failure, ineptitude and incompetence?

The Mandate flopped and had nothing to do with the creation of Israel. Israel was created by foreigners in Palestine.

One of the goals of the Mandate was to re establish the Jewish National Home.

Success.



Have you considered that your Magical Kingdom of Disney Islam'istan, was created by foreignen Turks, Arabs and European Christian Crusaders?

Failure.

Not so. Israel went into 1948 with nothing.

Nothing except a national identity and success against the invading muhammedan hordes.

Arabs-Moslems have only a welfare fraud system and a legacy of failure to define themselves.

Alia Akbar?

You have Israel's bullshit talking points down pat.

Good girl.

 

[Hollie]

Nothing except their "Mandate": to reestablish the Jewish National Home.

Still holding a grudge, obviously. The Zionistas'™ managed to defend that home in spite of attacking Islamist armies and attacks by your Islamist terrorist heroes.

How does it feel to be flailing your Pom Poms for Arab-islamist failure, ineptitude and incompetence?

The Mandate flopped and had nothing to do with the creation of Israel. Israel was created by foreigners in Palestine.

One of the goals of the Mandate was to re establish the Jewish National Home.

Success.



Have you considered that your Magical Kingdom of Disney Islam'istan, was created by foreignen Turks, Arabs and European Christian Crusaders?

Failure.

Not so. Israel went into 1948 with nothing.

Nothing except a national identity and success against the invading muhammedan hordes.

Arabs-Moslems have only a welfare fraud system and a legacy of failure to define themselves.

Alia Akbar?

You have Israel's bullshit talking points down pat.

Good girl.

You have cut and pasted your usual slogans.

Good muhammud.

 

[rylah]

Who was Sayed Arafat bin Yusef al-Qudwa ?

 

[Challenger]

A "national home" in Palestine, is not the same thing as a "Jewish state" in Palestine; that was never the intention of the LoN or the UN; that was pure Zionist settler colonialism.

Oh sure, so when everyone was talking about a Jewish National Home between 1917 and 1949, and all those legal documents were being created, they envisioned an Arab Palestinian State, under Arab sovereignty, with solely Arab self-determination in which it was permissible for Jews to simply reside.

That's why terminology like THIS was used:

Jewish State
Government of each State
reconstituting their national home
Jewish agency shall be recognized as a public body for the purpose of advising ... in economic, social and other matters
(Jewish agency) shall take steps (toward) the establishment of the Jewish national home
Jewish agency ... to construct or operate any public works, services, utilities and to develop any natural resources in the county

(And please also note the ABSENCE of this kind of language with respect to the Arab population in some of these documents)


That's why speeches like this were made in the US Congress:

I want to make at this time, Mr. Speaker and gentlemen of the House, my attitude and views upon the Arab question in Palestine very clear and emphatic. I am in favor of carrying out one of the three following policies, to be preferred in the order in which they are named:
(1) That the Arabs shall be permitted to remain in Palestine under Jewish government and domination, and with their civil and religious rights guaranteed to them through the British mandate and under terms of the Balfour declaration....

If this is not a condensed and at the same time a complete bill of rights both for the Arabs of Palestine and for the Jews who intend to remain in their present homelands outside of Palestine, I have never read or seen one.


That's why the White Paper of 1939 was forced to attempt to devise an alternative policy:

The Royal Commission and previous commissions of Enquiry have drawn attention to the ambiguity of certain expressions in the Mandate, such as the expression `a national home for the Jewish people', and they have found in this ambiguity and the resulting uncertainty as to the objectives of policy a fundamental cause of unrest and hostility between Arabs and Jews. His Majesty's Government are convinced that in the interests of the peace and well being of the whole people of Palestine a clear definition of policy and objectives is essential. The proposal of partition recommended by the Royal Commission would have afforded such clarity, but the establishment of self supporting independent Arab and Jewish States within Palestine has been found to be impracticable. It has therefore been necessary for His Majesty's Government to devise an alternative policy which will, consistent with their obligations to Arabs and Jews, meet the needs of the situation in Palestine.

It has been urged that the expression "a national home for the Jewish people" offered a prospect that Palestine might in due course become a Jewish State or Commonwealth. His Majesty's Government do not wish to contest the view, which was expressed by the Royal Commission, that the Zionist leaders at the time of the issue of the Balfour Declaration recognised that an ultimate Jewish State was not precluded by the terms of the Declaration.


And finally, we have this little gem written by the UN:

The General Assembly,
Acting in discharge of its functions under Article 4 of the Charter and rule 125 of its rules of procedure,
1. Decides that Israel is a peace loving State which accepts the obligations contained in the Charter and is able and willing to carry out those obligations;
2. Decides to admit Israel to membership in the United Nations.





Your claim that there was never an intent to create an independent, self-governing, self-determining Jewish State as a homeland for the Jewish people in the territory by right of their historical connection is blatantly disingenuous.

Bullshit. In 1922 the Colonial Office made this statement to calm the fears of the native people.



"The Secretary of State for the Colonies has given renewed consideration to the existing political situation in Palestine, with a very earnest desire to arrive at a settlement of the outstanding questions which have given rise to uncertainty and unrest among certain sections of the population. After consultation with the High Commissioner for Palestine [Sir Herbert Samuel] the following statement has been drawn up. It summarizes the essential parts of the correspondence that has already taken place between the Secretary of State and a delegation from the Moslem Christian Society of Palestine, which has been for some time in England, and it states the further conclusions which have since been reached............statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.' In this connection it has been observed with satisfaction that at a meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development."

The Avalon Project : British White Paper of June 1922

The "Arabic population, language, or culture" is in no danger of "disappearance." They have 22 countries.

"Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine."

How many countries do the Arabs need? Too greedy.

The palestinians just want to live in theirs, that's not greedy. The greed came from the Zionist settler colonists; not content with living as good neighbours they stole what wan't theirs to begin with and drove out the native inhabitants.

 

[montelatici]

Who was Sayed Arafat bin Yusef al-Qudwa ?

Who cares. Arafat's father couldn't support his family, he was about as royal as Donald Duck.

 

[Hollie]

Oh sure, so when everyone was talking about a Jewish National Home between 1917 and 1949, and all those legal documents were being created, they envisioned an Arab Palestinian State, under Arab sovereignty, with solely Arab self-determination in which it was permissible for Jews to simply reside.

That's why terminology like THIS was used:

Jewish State
Government of each State
reconstituting their national home
Jewish agency shall be recognized as a public body for the purpose of advising ... in economic, social and other matters
(Jewish agency) shall take steps (toward) the establishment of the Jewish national home
Jewish agency ... to construct or operate any public works, services, utilities and to develop any natural resources in the county

(And please also note the ABSENCE of this kind of language with respect to the Arab population in some of these documents)


That's why speeches like this were made in the US Congress:

I want to make at this time, Mr. Speaker and gentlemen of the House, my attitude and views upon the Arab question in Palestine very clear and emphatic. I am in favor of carrying out one of the three following policies, to be preferred in the order in which they are named:
(1) That the Arabs shall be permitted to remain in Palestine under Jewish government and domination, and with their civil and religious rights guaranteed to them through the British mandate and under terms of the Balfour declaration....

If this is not a condensed and at the same time a complete bill of rights both for the Arabs of Palestine and for the Jews who intend to remain in their present homelands outside of Palestine, I have never read or seen one.


That's why the White Paper of 1939 was forced to attempt to devise an alternative policy:

The Royal Commission and previous commissions of Enquiry have drawn attention to the ambiguity of certain expressions in the Mandate, such as the expression `a national home for the Jewish people', and they have found in this ambiguity and the resulting uncertainty as to the objectives of policy a fundamental cause of unrest and hostility between Arabs and Jews. His Majesty's Government are convinced that in the interests of the peace and well being of the whole people of Palestine a clear definition of policy and objectives is essential. The proposal of partition recommended by the Royal Commission would have afforded such clarity, but the establishment of self supporting independent Arab and Jewish States within Palestine has been found to be impracticable. It has therefore been necessary for His Majesty's Government to devise an alternative policy which will, consistent with their obligations to Arabs and Jews, meet the needs of the situation in Palestine.

It has been urged that the expression "a national home for the Jewish people" offered a prospect that Palestine might in due course become a Jewish State or Commonwealth. His Majesty's Government do not wish to contest the view, which was expressed by the Royal Commission, that the Zionist leaders at the time of the issue of the Balfour Declaration recognised that an ultimate Jewish State was not precluded by the terms of the Declaration.


And finally, we have this little gem written by the UN:

The General Assembly,
Acting in discharge of its functions under Article 4 of the Charter and rule 125 of its rules of procedure,
1. Decides that Israel is a peace loving State which accepts the obligations contained in the Charter and is able and willing to carry out those obligations;
2. Decides to admit Israel to membership in the United Nations.





Your claim that there was never an intent to create an independent, self-governing, self-determining Jewish State as a homeland for the Jewish people in the territory by right of their historical connection is blatantly disingenuous.

Bullshit. In 1922 the Colonial Office made this statement to calm the fears of the native people.



"The Secretary of State for the Colonies has given renewed consideration to the existing political situation in Palestine, with a very earnest desire to arrive at a settlement of the outstanding questions which have given rise to uncertainty and unrest among certain sections of the population. After consultation with the High Commissioner for Palestine [Sir Herbert Samuel] the following statement has been drawn up. It summarizes the essential parts of the correspondence that has already taken place between the Secretary of State and a delegation from the Moslem Christian Society of Palestine, which has been for some time in England, and it states the further conclusions which have since been reached............statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.' In this connection it has been observed with satisfaction that at a meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development."

The Avalon Project : British White Paper of June 1922

The "Arabic population, language, or culture" is in no danger of "disappearance." They have 22 countries.

"Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine."

How many countries do the Arabs need? Too greedy.

The palestinians just want to live in theirs, that's not greedy. The greed came from the Zionist settler colonists; not content with living as good neighbours they stole what wan't theirs to begin with and drove out the native inhabitants.

You extreme Jew haters really do live in an alternate reality.

The Hamas charter is not about the Arabs-Moslems masquerading as "Pal'istanians" "wanting to live in theirs". The Hamas charter is a virulent statement of Islamic fascism and Islamist colonialism.

Study your koranology lessons and learn the islamo-definition of waqf.

 

[Challenger]

Bullshit. In 1922 the Colonial Office made this statement to calm the fears of the native people.



"The Secretary of State for the Colonies has given renewed consideration to the existing political situation in Palestine, with a very earnest desire to arrive at a settlement of the outstanding questions which have given rise to uncertainty and unrest among certain sections of the population. After consultation with the High Commissioner for Palestine [Sir Herbert Samuel] the following statement has been drawn up. It summarizes the essential parts of the correspondence that has already taken place between the Secretary of State and a delegation from the Moslem Christian Society of Palestine, which has been for some time in England, and it states the further conclusions which have since been reached............statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.' In this connection it has been observed with satisfaction that at a meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development."

The Avalon Project : British White Paper of June 1922

The "Arabic population, language, or culture" is in no danger of "disappearance." They have 22 countries.

"Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine."

How many countries do the Arabs need? Too greedy.

The palestinians just want to live in theirs, that's not greedy. The greed came from the Zionist settler colonists; not content with living as good neighbours they stole what wan't theirs to begin with and drove out the native inhabitants.

You extreme Jew haters really do live in an alternate reality.

The Hamas charter is not about the Arabs-Moslems masquerading as "Pal'istanians" "wanting to live in theirs". The Hamas charter is a virulent statement of Islamic fascism and Islamist colonialism.

Study your koranology lessons and learn the islamo-definition of waqf.

*sigh* Someone really needs to catch up with current events and stop clinging to a defunct document cobbled together 29 years ago during an uprising of an occupied and disposessed native population, sick and tired of 30 years of brutal Zionist rule. Still that's the sort of hollow post we expect from Hollie; nothing of substance, just venom and vitriol.

 

[Hollie]

The "Arabic population, language, or culture" is in no danger of "disappearance." They have 22 countries.

"Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine."

How many countries do the Arabs need? Too greedy.

The palestinians just want to live in theirs, that's not greedy. The greed came from the Zionist settler colonists; not content with living as good neighbours they stole what wan't theirs to begin with and drove out the native inhabitants.

You extreme Jew haters really do live in an alternate reality.

The Hamas charter is not about the Arabs-Moslems masquerading as "Pal'istanians" "wanting to live in theirs". The Hamas charter is a virulent statement of Islamic fascism and Islamist colonialism.

Study your koranology lessons and learn the islamo-definition of waqf.

*sigh* Someone really needs to catch up with current events and stop clinging to a defunct document cobbled together 29 years ago during an uprising of an occupied and disposessed native population, sick and tired of 30 years of brutal Zionist rule. Still that's the sort of hollow post we expect from Hollie; nothing of substance, just venom and vitriol.

How interesting that the extreme Jew hater has been assigned the role of Head Spokesbeard in Charge for the Hamas Ministry of Propaganda. Gee whiz. Such a weighty burden you bear.

But, all seriousness aside, the fact is, the Hamas charter has never been abandoned by your Islamic terrorist heroes and more importantly, actions speak with the utmost clarity. In both words and actions, those of us not in thrall to your Islamic terrorist heroes can see that the Hamas charter is still a working ideology.

 

[rylah]

Ok for Arafat family...or the Qudwa clan, aka al- Qudwa al-Husseini:

Born Abdel-Rahman Abdel-Raouf Arafat al-Qudwa al-Husseini. His date and place of birth are disputed; while he claims to have been born August 4, 1929, in Jerusalem, a birth certificate gives the date as August 24, 1929, in Cairo, Egypt. One of seven children of a wealthy merchant, Arafat is related on his mother�s side to the Husseini family, a prominent Sunni Muslim family in Jerusalem.
Abdel-Rahman Abdel-Raouf Arafat al-Qudwa al-Husseini

"Husseinis are primarily found in the Arab world, South Asia, Iran and Iraq. Because of their lineage, the Husseini family is considered one to be respected, honored and are given the title of Sayyid. This title represents a person who is a direct descendant of Prophet Muhammad and his grandson Husain ibn Ali. This title is normally used by the shia sector."

House of Al-Qudwa family members were prominent figures since the seventeenth century. The family traces its origins to two brothers, Sayed Mohammad bin Yusef al-Qudwa and Sayed Arafat bin Yusef al-Qudwa (the first), who settled in Gaza in 1658 AD. They had moved from Aleppo (Arabic: حلب‎‎), Syria where the family was also known as "al-Nabhani" and where branches still exist in that city till today, and known as "al-Nabhani al-Qudwa al-Hussieni" since 1200 AD. The family very quickly established itself as notables in Gaza through extensive endowments made by Sayed Mohammad bin Arafat al-Qudwa around 1688 AD, and then later by his descendants. The Qudwas were always known as notables by belonging to the Ashraf class, the highest hereditary title of nobility to the highest social/political class in the Muslim World; also known in pre-modern society as the Hashemites- belonging to the Quraish tribe, Hashim branch/Al-Hussieni line (Al-Hussien is the second son of Sayedah Fatimah daughter of prophet Muhammad and Imam Ali the Fourth Caliph in Islam; both are Hashimites). A Hashemite is the Latinate version of the (Arabic: هاشمي, transliteration: Hāšimī) and traditionally refers to those belonging to the Banu Hashim, or "clan of Hashim", a clan within the larger Quraish tribe.
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Mohammed Amin al-Husseini (Arabic: محمد أمين الحسيني‎‎;[5] c. 1897[6][7] – 4 July 1974) was a Palestinian Arab nationalist and Muslim leader in Mandatory Palestine.[8]

Al-Husseini was the scion of a family of Jerusalemite notables,[9] who trace their origins to the eponymous grandson of Muhammad.[10] After receiving an education in Islamic, Ottoman, and Catholic schools, he went on to serve in the Ottoman army in World War I. At war's end he stationed himself in Damascus as a supporter of the Arab Kingdom of Syria.

 

[montelatici]

Ok for Arafat family...or the Qudwa clan, aka al- Qudwa al-Husseini:

Born Abdel-Rahman Abdel-Raouf Arafat al-Qudwa al-Husseini. His date and place of birth are disputed; while he claims to have been born August 4, 1929, in Jerusalem, a birth certificate gives the date as August 24, 1929, in Cairo, Egypt. One of seven children of a wealthy merchant, Arafat is related on his mother�s side to the Husseini family, a prominent Sunni Muslim family in Jerusalem.
Abdel-Rahman Abdel-Raouf Arafat al-Qudwa al-Husseini

"Husseinis are primarily found in the Arab world, South Asia, Iran and Iraq. Because of their lineage, the Husseini family is considered one to be respected, honored and are given the title of Sayyid. This title represents a person who is a direct descendant of Prophet Muhammad and his grandson Husain ibn Ali. This title is normally used by the shia sector."

House of Al-Qudwa family members were prominent figures since the seventeenth century. The family traces its origins to two brothers, Sayed Mohammad bin Yusef al-Qudwa and Sayed Arafat bin Yusef al-Qudwa (the first), who settled in Gaza in 1658 AD. They had moved from Aleppo (Arabic: حلب‎‎), Syria where the family was also known as "al-Nabhani" and where branches still exist in that city till today, and known as "al-Nabhani al-Qudwa al-Hussieni" since 1200 AD. The family very quickly established itself as notables in Gaza through extensive endowments made by Sayed Mohammad bin Arafat al-Qudwa around 1688 AD, and then later by his descendants. The Qudwas were always known as notables by belonging to the Ashraf class, the highest hereditary title of nobility to the highest social/political class in the Muslim World; also known in pre-modern society as the Hashemites- belonging to the Quraish tribe, Hashim branch/Al-Hussieni line (Al-Hussien is the second son of Sayedah Fatimah daughter of prophet Muhammad and Imam Ali the Fourth Caliph in Islam; both are Hashimites). A Hashemite is the Latinate version of the (Arabic: هاشمي, transliteration: Hāšimī) and traditionally refers to those belonging to the Banu Hashim, or "clan of Hashim", a clan within the larger Quraish tribe.
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Mohammed Amin al-Husseini (Arabic: محمد أمين الحسيني‎‎;[5] c. 1897[6][7] – 4 July 1974) was a Palestinian Arab nationalist and Muslim leader in Mandatory Palestine.[8]

Al-Husseini was the scion of a family of Jerusalemite notables,[9] who trace their origins to the eponymous grandson of Muhammad.[10] After receiving an education in Islamic, Ottoman, and Catholic schools, he went on to serve in the Ottoman army in World War I. At war's end he stationed himself in Damascus as a supporter of the Arab Kingdom of Syria.

No relation to Husseini. Father was an usuccessful merchant. And the coup de grace to your propaganda, from Time magazine, not from fiction sites.

"Mohammed Abdel Rahman Abdel Raouf Arafat Al Qudua Al Husseini, on Aug. 24, 1929 in Cairo, where his father, a textile merchant from Gaza, had moved the family two years before. In his early years, Arafat claimed to be a member of the prominent al-Husseini clan of Jerusalem, the family of Hajj Amin Al Husseini, then the Mufti of Palestine, but that was also a fantasy...."

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[rylah]

Ok for Arafat family...or the Qudwa clan, aka al- Qudwa al-Husseini:

Born Abdel-Rahman Abdel-Raouf Arafat al-Qudwa al-Husseini. His date and place of birth are disputed; while he claims to have been born August 4, 1929, in Jerusalem, a birth certificate gives the date as August 24, 1929, in Cairo, Egypt. One of seven children of a wealthy merchant, Arafat is related on his mother�s side to the Husseini family, a prominent Sunni Muslim family in Jerusalem.
Abdel-Rahman Abdel-Raouf Arafat al-Qudwa al-Husseini

"Husseinis are primarily found in the Arab world, South Asia, Iran and Iraq. Because of their lineage, the Husseini family is considered one to be respected, honored and are given the title of Sayyid. This title represents a person who is a direct descendant of Prophet Muhammad and his grandson Husain ibn Ali. This title is normally used by the shia sector."

House of Al-Qudwa family members were prominent figures since the seventeenth century. The family traces its origins to two brothers, Sayed Mohammad bin Yusef al-Qudwa and Sayed Arafat bin Yusef al-Qudwa (the first), who settled in Gaza in 1658 AD. They had moved from Aleppo (Arabic: حلب‎‎), Syria where the family was also known as "al-Nabhani" and where branches still exist in that city till today, and known as "al-Nabhani al-Qudwa al-Hussieni" since 1200 AD. The family very quickly established itself as notables in Gaza through extensive endowments made by Sayed Mohammad bin Arafat al-Qudwa around 1688 AD, and then later by his descendants. The Qudwas were always known as notables by belonging to the Ashraf class, the highest hereditary title of nobility to the highest social/political class in the Muslim World; also known in pre-modern society as the Hashemites- belonging to the Quraish tribe, Hashim branch/Al-Hussieni line (Al-Hussien is the second son of Sayedah Fatimah daughter of prophet Muhammad and Imam Ali the Fourth Caliph in Islam; both are Hashimites). A Hashemite is the Latinate version of the (Arabic: هاشمي, transliteration: Hāšimī) and traditionally refers to those belonging to the Banu Hashim, or "clan of Hashim", a clan within the larger Quraish tribe.
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Mohammed Amin al-Husseini (Arabic: محمد أمين الحسيني‎‎;[5] c. 1897[6][7] – 4 July 1974) was a Palestinian Arab nationalist and Muslim leader in Mandatory Palestine.[8]

Al-Husseini was the scion of a family of Jerusalemite notables,[9] who trace their origins to the eponymous grandson of Muhammad.[10] After receiving an education in Islamic, Ottoman, and Catholic schools, he went on to serve in the Ottoman army in World War I. At war's end he stationed himself in Damascus as a supporter of the Arab Kingdom of Syria.

No relation to Husseini. Father was an usuccessful merchant. And the coup de grace to your propaganda, from Time magazine, not from fiction sites.

"Mohammed Abdel Rahman Abdel Raouf Arafat Al Qudua Al Husseini, on Aug. 24, 1929 in Cairo, where his father, a textile merchant from Gaza, had moved the family two years before. In his early years, Arafat claimed to be a member of the prominent al-Husseini clan of Jerusalem, the family of Hajj Amin Al Husseini, then the Mufti of Palestine, but that was also a fantasy...."

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Well the Husseinis and al- Qudwa's are of the Ashraf class, notables who trace their ancestry to Arabia, directly to Quraish tribe.

The al-Husseinis ruled Jerusalem, Syria and other regions.
Abdel Raouf al-Qudwa al-Husseini father of Yasser Arafat fought the Egyptian courts for 'familial' lands...

I think people of this clan weren't simply chosen to guard the Waqf or rule over key areas in the region.

 

[montelatici]

None are Arabian royalty you idiot. They are former Christians that took on names of their rulers, much like you have African-Americans named Jefferson and Washington.

Your dog won't hunt, it's just deflection.

 

[rylah]

None are Arabian royalty you idiot. They are former Christians that took on names of their rulers, much like you have African-Americans named Jefferson and Washington.

Your dog won't hunt, it's just deflection.

Deflection from what? That these people still identify with Arab Muslim colonialism?

That they preferred Greek and Arabic over their own language...while Jews kept writing volumes of books in Hebrew...in the same land?

 

[montelatici]

Of course the native people preferred languages that were widely spoken over their native Aramaic. (Hebrew was a liturgical language like Latin is today). They converted to Christianity, why would they want to learn Hebrew. Very few people practiced anything but Christianity in the Empire once it became the required state religion.

 

[rylah]

Of course the native people preferred languages that were widely spoken over their native Aramaic. (Hebrew was a liturgical language like Latin is today). They converted to Christianity, why would they want to learn Hebrew. Very few people practiced anything but Christianity in the Empire once it became the required state religion.

This is silly the original Chistians were a sect of Jews, they wrote in Hebrew. They didn't need Greek translations of the Torah.

But when was the first translation of the Quran to Hebrew written?

 

[rylah]

Of course the native people preferred languages that were widely spoken over their native Aramaic. (Hebrew was a liturgical language like Latin is today). They converted to Christianity, why would they want to learn Hebrew. Very few people practiced anything but Christianity in the Empire once it became the required state religion.

And yet Jews kept Hebrew as the basis for all those 'widely spoken' languages.

 

[montelatici]

Of course the native people preferred languages that were widely spoken over their native Aramaic. (Hebrew was a liturgical language like Latin is today). They converted to Christianity, why would they want to learn Hebrew. Very few people practiced anything but Christianity in the Empire once it became the required state religion.

This is silly the original Chistians were a sect of Jews, they wrote in Hebrew. They didn't need Greek translations of the Torah.

But when was the first translation of the Quran to Hebrew written?

Only the clerics knew Hebrew. The language spoken was Aramaic. the Christians did not need to translate the Torah.

The Bible, Hebrews 8:13

"By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear."

 

[Challenger]

Of course the native people preferred languages that were widely spoken over their native Aramaic. (Hebrew was a liturgical language like Latin is today). They converted to Christianity, why would they want to learn Hebrew. Very few people practiced anything but Christianity in the Empire once it became the required state religion.

And yet Jews kept Hebrew as the basis for all those 'widely spoken' languages.

The modern Israeli "Hebrew" language was invented in the late 19th century by a Jewish Belarussian Zionist who thought it would help in the creation of a "Jewish national identity". Modern "Hebrew" owes more to modern standard Arabic than any other language.